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nib95

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Oct 28, 2017
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Kind of insane that so many people would harass a human being because they disliked her FICTIONAL fucking character, not even one she herself wrote. Christ almighty. What a shit show this planet can so often be.

Here's hoping others can report the shit out of the harassers so we can at least temporarily drive them off social media.
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,246
Anyone who prioritizes defending their darling movie over accepting that people expressing sympathy for the actress and disgust for this behaviour despite their ideas on the movie as a qualifier for their opinion (and to highlight the idea that no matter what you think about the movie and the character this is absolutely unaccepable) are the ones who are wearing their priorities on their sleeve.

Here you have people who are expressing sympathy for the actress and the usual suspects try to dictate how they do and make the topic the umpteen defence of the movie because criticizing it is the really unacceptable. It's bizzarre to see the TLJ Defence force being almost gleefully content of the abuse Tran is going through because it gives them the umpteen chance to throw vitriol at people who are critic about the movie. And that's the kind of priority that needs to be checked, honestly.



The only thing that matter here is that the poor woman had to suffer the attentions of the worst kind of fans, and "I hated the movie but your character wasn't the problem" and "I hated the movie but I'd still stand against the stuff you had to suffer" are perfectly acceptable messages of support, expecially for a movie as divisive as TLJ. Critics being vocal in their support for Tran is important because it shuts down the idea that everyone who didn't like the movie automatically hates the character of Rose or worse her actress.

I'm not really sure you thought this shit through.

- Someone gets harassed, to the point where they have to delete their Instagram

- Another person's response, as a form of "sympathy/support", starts off with: "I hated the movie but..." "I didn't like Rose but..."

How the hell is that an acceptable form of support? Why the fuck would she want to listen to people, who "try" to sympathize with her harassment, by starting their sentences with "I didn't like so and so..."

Yea... those are exactly the first words somebody who has suffered through harassment would like to hear. You fucking figured it out.
 
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StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
7,705
Daisy Ridley didn't delete her account because of Star Wars fans, it was backlash over a post about gun violence.
 

Lazlow

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Oct 27, 2017
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Anyone who prioritizes defending their darling movie over accepting that people expressing sympathy for the actress and disgust for this behaviour despite their ideas on the movie as a qualifier for their opinion (and to highlight the idea that no matter what you think about the movie and the character this is absolutely unaccepable) are the ones who are wearing their priorities on their sleeve.

Here you have people who are expressing sympathy for the actress and the usual suspects try to dictate how they do and make the topic the umpteen defence of the movie because criticizing it is the really unacceptable. It's bizzarre to see the TLJ Defence force being almost gleefully content of the abuse Tran is going through because it gives them the umpteen chance to throw vitriol at people who are critic about the movie. And that's the kind of priority that needs to be checked, honestly.



The only thing that matter here is that the poor woman had to suffer the attentions of the worst kind of fans, and "I hated the movie but your character wasn't the problem" and "I hated the movie but I'd still stand against the stuff you had to suffer" are perfectly acceptable messages of support, expecially for a movie as divisive as TLJ. Critics being vocal in their support for Tran is important because it shuts down the idea that everyone who didn't like the movie automatically hates the character of Rose or worse her actress.

This.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,290
Nottingham, UK
Anyone who prioritizes defending their darling movie over accepting that people expressing sympathy for the actress and disgust for this behaviour despite their ideas on the movie as a qualifier for their opinion (and to highlight the idea that no matter what you think about the movie and the character this is absolutely unaccepable) are the ones who are wearing their priorities on their sleeve.

Here you have people who are expressing sympathy for the actress and the usual suspects try to dictate how they do and make the topic the umpteen defence of the movie because criticizing it is the really unacceptable. It's bizzarre to see the TLJ Defence force being almost gleefully content of the abuse Tran is going through because it gives them the umpteen chance to throw vitriol at people who are critic about the movie. And that's the kind of priority that needs to be checked, honestly.



The only thing that matter here is that the poor woman had to suffer the attentions of the worst kind of fans, and "I hated the movie but your character wasn't the problem" and "I hated the movie but I'd still stand against the stuff you had to suffer" are perfectly acceptable messages of support, expecially for a movie as divisive as TLJ. Critics being vocal in their support for Tran is important because it shuts down the idea that everyone who didn't like the movie automatically hates the character of Rose or worse her actress.
But you grandstanding about posters you have routinely argued with is any better?
 

MrBadger

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Oct 27, 2017
2,552
Anyone who prioritizes defending their darling movie over accepting that people expressing sympathy for the actress and disgust for this behaviour despite their ideas on the movie as a qualifier for their opinion (and to highlight the idea that no matter what you think about the movie and the character this is absolutely unaccepable) are the ones who are wearing their priorities on their sleeve.

Here you have people who are expressing sympathy for the actress and the usual suspects try to dictate how they do and make the topic the umpteen defence of the movie because criticizing it is the really unacceptable. It's bizzarre to see the TLJ Defence force being almost gleefully content of the abuse Tran is going through because it gives them the umpteen chance to throw vitriol at people who are critic about the movie. And that's the kind of priority that needs to be checked, honestly.



The only thing that matter here is that the poor woman had to suffer the attentions of the worst kind of fans, and "I hated the movie but your character wasn't the problem" and "I hated the movie but I'd still stand against the stuff you had to suffer" are perfectly acceptable messages of support, expecially for a movie as divisive as TLJ. Critics being vocal in their support for Tran is important because it shuts down the idea that everyone who didn't like the movie automatically hates the character of Rose or worse her actress.

Listen, I get the point you're making. It's important to make it clear that you can just not like something without bringing it up excessively or taking out your rage on the people who made it. However, suppose she came to this thread looking for support and she saw this -

This is ridiculous. I hate TLJ ALOT. In fact I hate it so much that it is the exact point that I gave up all hope on the modern incarnation of Star Wars and she was easily one of the worst parts of TLJ for me, but

Do you think that would make her feel better?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Doesn't surprise me. The Star Wars fan base seems toxic as fuck, especially towards the women in (and leading) the newer films.

She probably got extra hate due to being a woman of color on top of being associated with the new Two Minutes Years of Hate target within the nerd zeitgeist.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
13,237
That's bad. Like a lot of other people, I hated her character, but separate the character from the actor! We can all hate Rose, let's not hate Kelly Marie Tran.
 

Coyote Starrk

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Oct 30, 2017
52,950
Do you think that would make her feel better?

I already addressed that in a follow up post. Its not my intention to make some backhanded remark or comment.


Um....okay? I was mostly just trying to illustrate that its possible to not like the role she played in the film or even just the film itself and still find this kind of treatment repulsive.


Because it seems that a large portion of the backlash stems from her role as well as other obvious factors. Not everyone who disliked the movie or her character are gonna agree with this kind of bullshit treatment she is receiving. Thats all I was trying to say.
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
58,040
Terana
What the fuck? Her character was totally fine. God forbid some minorities get some shine though, right? Fucking Deplorables.
 

Osahi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,929
God damn, this fandom. It's Kathleen Kennedy's birthday and the comments under the official Star Wars social media posts about this are just... urgh.

I absolutely loved Star Wars since I discovered them as a kid 20 years ago, but goddamn I hate some of these so called fans so fucking hard.
 

OutofMana

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Oct 25, 2017
7,071
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This is the Jake Lloyd thing all over again isn't it? It's one thing is to dislike a character from a movie, harassing the actor afterwards just takes it to another level. Man, the SW fandom is the fucking worst.
 

Messofanego

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Oct 25, 2017
26,127
UK
I don't get why people have to reiterate their dislike of a movie or a character while an actress receives harassment. We get it, you've said it many times before. How does that improve things, you using the soapbox to tell everyone you hated the art but you wouldn't harass the person, do you think you deserve a pat on the back for not being an awful human?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love Star Wars but Ive seen movies in the past that I havent liked, or performances that havent been my favourite. I suck it up and sit in my disappointment then move on to the next piece of entertainment. Never once did it occur to me to reach out to the actor and let them know they sucked, much less make disgusting racist remarks. Fucking disgusting.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
4,771
I'm not really sure you thought this shit through.

- Someone gets harassed, to the point where they have to delete their Instagram

- Another person's response, as a form of "sympathy/support", starts off with: "I hated the movie but..." "I didn't like Rose but..."

How the hell is that an acceptable form of support? Why the fuck would she want to listen to people, who "try" to sympathize with her harassment, by starting their sentences with "I didn't like so and so..."

Yea... those are exactly the first words somebody who has suffered through harassment would like to hear. You fucking figured it out.


It's not exactly rocket science. Film is divisive as hell, saying that you didn't like the movie but you liked Tran's character/you disliked her character but still think this is absolutely disguisting is important in dispelling the idea that everyone who disliked the movie is on the side of the harrassers. It's precisely about not making this about the movie but making this about Tran and supporting her. It's about distancing yourself from the culprits of these disgusting behaviour and not letting them think everyone who "hated" the movie is on their side.

It's not really complicated.
 

True Prophecy

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Oct 28, 2017
1,921
Listen, I get the point you're making. It's important to make it clear that you can just not like something without bringing it up excessively or taking out your rage on the people who made it. However, suppose she came to this thread looking for support and she saw this -



Do you think that would make her feel better?


No like Visanideth said your taking glee in her abuse... /s
 
Oct 25, 2017
41,368
Miami, FL
I don't get why people have to reiterate their dislike of a movie or a character while an actress receives harassment.
Because those people suck. I have no idea why people feel the need to condition their statements, as if anyone gives a shit about whether they like a property.

You see the same shit when people talk about Microsoft or Apple or Sony or some developer or some shit. "I don't like __________ (fill in company or person), but they did a good job on / didn''t deserve to be ________." Just say the second half. Jesus christ.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
I don't get why people have to reiterate their dislike of a movie or a character while an actress receives harassment. We get it, you've said it many times before. How does that improve things, you using the soapbox to tell everyone you hated the art but you wouldn't harass the person, do you think you deserve a pat on the back for not being an awful human?
Because some people wanna make everything about them. Even in a thread about a young woman getting run off the internet because of who she is.
 

Wackamole

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Oct 27, 2017
16,932
Holy shit. what did they do? I haven't followed but they must have said some horrible shit.
Why can't people be decent and normal? Why the fuck are so many people so dumb?
 

Deleted member 24112

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Oct 29, 2017
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I thought she was such a warm and lovely character. I heard a nice story from a printed interview with Rian Johnson where mentioned that Kelly Marie Tran was walking around on set asking all the key grips, camera people, workers, etc questions like: "What's that? What do you do? Can I help?" and just helped everyone because she was excited to be on set. She sounds like a really lovely person and it's fucked up that this happened to her.

I hope she's in the third movie with an even bigger role.
 

30yearsofhurt

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Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (1 Week): Victim Blaming + Rationalizing Harassment
I didn't see it either, but going by the Rogue One thread at the old site, I'd say her character committed the grave sin of being Asian.
It was more that her character was in a about a third of the movie and accomplished nothing and wasted everybody's time.
The whole Rose-&-Finn-go-to-casino-world-to-get-the-code-breaker-but-instead-save-the-horse-doggies shit was the biggest sin in a litany of awful choices in that movie. If you cut that whole side story out of the movie what would you lose? Would the movie be better? Arguably yes. Her character is no Jar Jar Binks but she doesn't add anything to the story. Unlike her sister who was great.
It's ridiculous that people are attacking her personally but that's what you sign up for with star wars.
If anyone is to blame it should be Rian Johnson. Seriously that guy shouldn't have been paid.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
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What the fuck? Her character was totally fine. God forbid some minorities get some shine though, right? Fucking Deplorables.
I thought her character was terrible, but I have no hate toward the actress. Bad character, I hope she's not in Ep 9. Her love interest with the other guy just felt so forced. Weird dynamic. Didn't like it. Bad character
 

elyetis

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Oct 26, 2017
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Anybody who feels the need to clarify that they hated The Last Jedi or Rose in this thread should get their priorities checked.
Why, when the intent is specificely to show that what people think of TLJ or Rose is no excuse to what happened the actress since people with that same opinion are more than willing to denounce their shity behavior.

People reaction on a public forum has no reason to be as 'tiptoed' as if it was given directly to someone immediately concerned.

Someone does something insanely stupid, like say doing something stupid while visiting North Korea :
- interact with the family : I'm very sorry, I hope everything will be alright..
- on a forum : Good god that guy was fucking dumb...
 

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The whole Rose-&-Finn-go-to-casino-world-to-get-the-code-breaker-but-instead-save-the-horse-doggies shit was the biggest sin in a litany of awful choices in that movie. If you cut that whole side story out of the movie what would you lose? Would the movie be better? Arguably yes.
Character development ? Finn going from not giving a fuck about the rebellion and just caring about Rey to being a key member of the resistance ?
Her character is no Jar Jar Binks but she doesn't add anything to the story. Unlike her sister who was great.
heeere we go again
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought her character was terrible, but I have no hate toward the actress. Bad character, I hope she's not in Ep 9. Her love interest with the other guy just felt so forced. Weird dynamic. Didn't like it. Bad character
Yes, you posted that already. We know you hated her character. And I really don't care at all what you think. Or what other people think.

Me, I liked it a lot. And your opinion and others counts for exactly as much as mine. And not really interested in an argument about it.
 

Dunlop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fans can be the worst. I did not like the character at all, but she is just an actress reading a script that was not written by her.
 
Oct 25, 2017
13,246
It's not exactly rocket science. Film is divisive as hell, saying that you didn't like the movie but you liked Tran's character/you disliked her character but still think this is absolutely disguisting is important in dispelling the idea that everyone who disliked the movie is on the side of the harrassers. It's precisely about not making this about the movie but making this about Tran and supporting her. It's about distancing yourself from the culprits of these disgusting behaviour and not letting them think everyone who "hated" the movie is on their side.

It's not really complicated.

Yea, and there are much better ways to do that and offer support than prefacing your messages of "support" with "I hated the movie but..."

It just takes a little bit of tact and makes your support actually feel a bit meaningful. No one would say anything dumb like that to her face or I'd severely question their ability to actually offer support to a victim of harassment.
 

WrenchNinja

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Oct 25, 2017
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It was more that her character was in a about a third of the movie and accomplished nothing and wasted everybody's time.
The whole Rose-&-Finn-go-to-casino-world-to-get-the-code-breaker-but-instead-save-the-horse-doggies shit was the biggest sin in a litany of awful choices in that movie. If you cut that whole side story out of the movie what would you lose? Would the movie be better? Arguably yes. Her character is no Jar Jar Binks but she doesn't add anything to the story. Unlike her sister who was great.
It's ridiculous that people are attacking her personally but that's what you sign up for with star wars.
If anyone is to blame it should be Rian Johnson. Seriously that guy shouldn't have been paid.
No one gives a shit about what you think about TLJ. This is about the actress getting harassed. Jfc.
 

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It's not exactly rocket science. Film is divisive as hell, saying that you didn't like the movie but you liked Tran's character/you disliked her character but still think this is absolutely disguisting is important in dispelling the idea that everyone who disliked the movie is on the side of the harrassers. It's precisely about not making this about the movie but making this about Tran and supporting her. It's about distancing yourself from the culprits of these disgusting behaviour and not letting them think everyone who "hated" the movie is on their side.

It's not really complicated.

Its unnecessary information. The post was literally "she doesnt deserve this but I didnt like her or her character." Like the fuck? I dont fucking care about your shit opinion if thats how youre gonna make a post in a thread about that person who got harassed.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
4,771
No like Visanideth said your taking glee in her abuse... /s


There's people whose first message in the thread was a comment on how people are prefacing their support with a comment on the movie. Just look back at the thread: BEFORE expressing their support (some even didn't) they immediately take the "disgusting that you guys feel the need to specify that you didn't like the movie, btw the SW fandom sucks and is horrible like I've always said!".

You have messages that leapfrog the issue of giving support to Tran and just take the chance to throw vitriol at others and the problem is people who post "Didn't like the movie but you were fine mr Tran" are the problem?
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
13,237
Yes, you posted that already. We know you hated. And I really don't care at all what you think. Or what other people think.

Me, I liked it a lot. And your opinion and others counts for exactly as much as mine. And not really interested in an argument about it.
Yeah, I know, but you seemed outraged that people would not like her character so I just wanted to point out some reasons why people dislike her character. Not the actress. The character.
 

True Prophecy

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Oct 28, 2017
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It was more that her character was in a about a third of the movie and accomplished nothing and wasted everybody's time.
The whole Rose-&-Finn-go-to-casino-world-to-get-the-code-breaker-but-instead-save-the-horse-doggies shit was the biggest sin in a litany of awful choices in that movie. If you cut that whole side story out of the movie what would you lose? Would the movie be better? Arguably yes. Her character is no Jar Jar Binks but she doesn't add anything to the story. Unlike her sister who was great.
It's ridiculous that people are attacking her personally but that's what you sign up for with star wars.
If anyone is to blame it should be Rian Johnson. Seriously that guy shouldn't have been paid.

Your an awesomely sympathetic person /s
 

Brinbe

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Oct 25, 2017
58,040
Terana
Yeah, I know, but you seemed outraged that people would not like her character so I just wanted to point out some reasons why people dislike her character. Not the actress. The character.
No, I seem outraged that people would harass her about it. People can have whatever opinions they want.

But I'm curious now. What didn't you like about Rose beyond just saying she's a bad character, which doesn't mean anything
 

Minarik

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Nov 9, 2017
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Unbelievable, people are so gross. Rose was the worst part of TLJ, but the actress had nothing to do with that.
 

SArcher

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Oct 26, 2017
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Anyone who prioritizes defending their darling movie over accepting that people expressing sympathy for the actress and disgust for this behaviour despite their ideas on the movie as a qualifier for their opinion (and to highlight the idea that no matter what you think about the movie and the character this is absolutely unaccepable) are the ones who are wearing their priorities on their sleeve.

Here you have people who are expressing sympathy for the actress and the usual suspects try to dictate how they do and make the topic the umpteen defence of the movie because criticizing it is the really unacceptable. It's bizzarre to see the TLJ Defence force being almost gleefully content of the abuse Tran is going through because it gives them the umpteen chance to throw vitriol at people who are critic about the movie. And that's the kind of priority that needs to be checked, honestly.



The only thing that matter here is that the poor woman had to suffer the attentions of the worst kind of fans, and "I hated the movie but your character wasn't the problem" and "I hated the movie but I'd still stand against the stuff you had to suffer" are perfectly acceptable messages of support, expecially for a movie as divisive as TLJ. Critics being vocal in their support for Tran is important because it shuts down the idea that everyone who didn't like the movie automatically hates the character of Rose or worse her actress.

Thank you!
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
4,771
Its unnecessary information. The post was literally "she doesnt deserve this but I didnt like her or her character." Like the fuck? I dont fucking care about your shit opinion if thats how youre gonna make a post in a thread about that person who got harassed.


Wait wait wait.


"she doesnt deserve this but I didnt like her or her character." is one thing.


"I didn't like the movie but she doesn't deserve this" is a completely different one.


In one case you put the enfasis on your dislike for the movie and you deserve to be lambasted.

In the other case you put the enfasis on the support. It may range from "I disliked the movie but loved your character" to "I disliked the movie and your character but that doesn't justify any of this" and in any case it serves the same purpose, which is to specify that nothing justifies this and that the people who commit these things need to be isolated.
 

FeenixRisen

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Oct 25, 2017
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They ran KMT off?! She posted nothing but cute stuff on IG. Star Wars has officially become the worst fandom ever.

At least we still have John Boyega

He actually loves to clap back at trolls on social media.
 

Fendajaz

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,123
Very sad. It's not the actors faults that TLJ was a pile of shit. I don't think it's fair to paint all star wars fans with the same brush as these hateful assholes. It's just a minority of sw trolls.
 

Future Gazer

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Oct 26, 2017
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That's a shame. All of the anger should be directed at Rian and no one else.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Do you think that would make her feel better?

This is ridiculous. I hate TLJ ALOT. In fact I hate it so much that it is the exact point that I gave up all hope on the modern incarnation of Star Wars and she was easily one of the worst parts of TLJ for me, but she doesn't deserve this. Nobody does.



People need to take a step back and calm down. Fandom is one thing, but this is not that. This is asshole behavior and straight up bullshit and needs to be treated as such.

At least quote the entire post

The content of the post is fine when taken in full context imo

For the record: I also hated TLJ - not for any one particular character but rather the whole film/story (what little of it there is)
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
I'm not fond of plenty of fanbases but Star Wars has gotta have the most rabid and shittiest. I can't stand the Rose character either but fuck harrassing her. pretty crazy pattern that it also happened to Daisy Ridley too.

does John Boyega have an instagram account?
Him and Rian go hard on Twitter.

Man, where did TLJ touch some of you?