Yeah I agree with that, but from now on it won't be an issue I imagine considering how this has blown up.
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Kendrick Lamar calls out white fan for rapping n-word onstage with him at concert [Read OP]
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Yeah I agree with that, but from now on it won't be an issue I imagine considering how this has blown up.
My apologies.
I completely misinterpreted your post.
I interpreted it as "If Eminem could make it big without using the n-word, black rappers don't need to use it to succeed."
I'm sorry for the strong remarks.
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Yeah I will cop to misstepping on that front
I was actually going to go with another example, but I wasn't sure people would recognize it. But that's on me
Well in the literal sense, it is not difficult. You just don't let the word come out of your mouth. The problem isn't that it's difficult, it's just that people want to make it difficult by insisting there are exceptions when they can say it. But that doesn't make it "difficult" not to say the word or understand not to say the word. It's people making it difficult because they want to.
He's pulled white people up before and they didn't say it.
It's really not as hard to not say it as people like to pretend it is. Just don't say it. If you're worried about accidentally saying it in public because you say it when you sing along alone.. well don't say it alone. Just don't say it.
I don't even understand how this is so hard to grasp. Have you been going around rapping aloud to the most hardcore profane horror-core lyrics as loud as possible in public spaces like grocery stores thinking it's fine just because someone else made the song?
yes, even white people have to watch what they say
It feels like Kindergarten class and the teacher has to tell you over and over to not use curse words.
Why some people making this out to be so hard? Just don't say it.
Why some people making this out to be so hard? Just don't say it.
Yeah I can't really relate because rap isn't my thing. (Massive classic rock fan) Outside of the major mainstream hits I have never listened to the genre and even then its only been when I am alone listening to the radio or spotify so I have never had to censor myself. (I don't sing out loud to myself) I would like to think I would know better, but in the moment and nervous as hell I could totally understand someone slipping up like she did. The fact she realized what she did and did what she did is a sign to me that she meant no harm. So I am not gonna be as hard on her as other people have been. She messed up bad and owned up to it. Then the artist cut her some slack on top of that. Overall it was a good ending to a potentially bad situation.
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I watched the video of this incident and I cringed so hard when she dropped those n-bombs. It's like at first she edited herself, then said it sort of quietly like she was testing the waters, then gained the confidence to yell it out all enthusiastically.
As a white dude, I was embarrassed for her. I just don't see how you could stand 5 feet away from Kendrick Lamar and drop n-bombs in public like it's nothing. That's a pretty obvious no-no in my eyes.
As a white dude, I was embarrassed for her. I just don't see how you could stand 5 feet away from Kendrick Lamar and drop n-bombs in public like it's nothing. That's a pretty obvious no-no in my eyes.
That's straight facts right there.
Y'all are really dense, ignorant, or pathetic. Or all 3....
It's a respect thing. It's about fucking respect. We all interact differently with each other out of respect.
Stop being fucking petty.
Do you clowns bow and pretend karate at every Asian person you see?
Do you say Ese and Holmes incessantly when talking to Latin people?
Do you put on a fake accent when you talk to Middle Eastern people?
You don't?
So why does respect take a backseat for Black Americans? We don't want you saying nigga around us. Full Stop. But no, Black Americans don't deserve respect, you're gonna do what you want either way.
You have no respect for us if your going to continuously argue about why it's this way, and what's fair or not.
You don't give a fuck about us or our respect, so why the fuck should we entertain yours?
Just reposting this;
How all threads on era about the N word go
1)claim to be an ally for PoC and black folks in the struggle.
2) collectively a good chunk of the people say don't use the word nigga or bigger in any context.
3) get upset because the people you're allied with say you can't use a word that has racist history. "I'm just asking questions/playing devils advocate!!"
4) we PoC get disgusted but not surprised.
5) you insist it's just a word, and emphasis is placed on us to stop using it so other people can stop using it. Take their que from us I suppose.
6) we point out how white people will use nigger regardless of whether all thirty milllion plus black people in America stop using it
7) repeat step 5
8) Repeat Step 1
How all threads on era about the N word go
1)claim to be an ally for PoC and black folks in the struggle.
2) collectively a good chunk of the people say don't use the word nigga or bigger in any context.
3) get upset because the people you're allied with say you can't use a word that has racist history. "I'm just asking questions/playing devils advocate!!"
4) we PoC get disgusted but not surprised.
5) you insist it's just a word, and emphasis is placed on us to stop using it so other people can stop using it. Take their que from us I suppose.
6) we point out how white people will use nigger regardless of whether all thirty milllion plus black people in America stop using it
7) repeat step 5
8) Repeat Step 1
Delete that. People have already posted that and been banned for it.
User Banned (1 week): Arguing in bad faith.
It is an interesting topic and context does matter. As someone who would never use the word in any normal situation I am pretty sure I would if Alice Walker asked me to read a passage from The Color Purple in front of a group. I would do so knowing that she knows her work, knows what she is asking me to read and would not ask me to alter the power of her art by changing words.
That's the Daily Mail. Maybe we should ask for the National Enquirers take
I don't think it is, but I seem to be in the minority on that front.
Wow, who'd have thought Kendrick Lamar masterminded an elaborate plot to become even more famous than he already is, hinging solely on a white lady saying the n-word?
Christ, Occam's Razor, folks. What's more likely, this being a publicity stunt or just one entitled white lady doing something dumb in public.
But, hey, do your mental gymnastics.
neighbour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt5vWqSFC48
Lol there's plenty of words. Regret posting as I'm basically done with this topic, forever.
Whether people don't want to understand the context or don't care doesn't mean it isn't simple as it gets
People made the same argument in the last thread man. Its not the same.
I think plenty of people here have made that very evident.
You mad as shit right now that his point was ironclad and has no holes.
So you post this shit that has essentially 0 substance besides "How dare you"
Eminem is a multi award winning artist, an icon to HipHop. He's never had to say the word.
But y'all apparently need to? Because imitating my fav rapper is more important than actually making music?
Hey, guess what. Don't say the word, don't get banned. Don't argue for the use of saying the word, don't get banned. Don't pretend that the moderators are being tyrants for making sure a racist, disgusting word isn't used, don't get banned. Wow, that was easy.
Is that presumption based on similar incidents at other concerts?
Maybe I missed the post in the thread, but did anyone in the thread say that they have to say the n-word because they're trying to be a successful rapper?
I don't think white people should say it, but I also don't think the Eminem argument is very strong.
I guess pause?
Glad I'm not a rap fan lol.
If you are white. Don't use the N word. Even if it's in the lyrics. It really is that simple.
I hope neighbor catches on just because it would sound hilarious.
Oh, I entirely misread that post.
I interpreted it as "Eminem became famous without having to use the n-word, so black rappers don't need to use it either."
That's entirely my bad, sorry.
The very first thing a white person that wants to say nigga needs to ask themselves is "WHY do I want to say this word? Why does it bother me that I can't say this word?"
Do some introspection for fucks sake.
Do some introspection for fucks sake.
Only one or two people in this thread were actually banned for any of that.
For the record, my posts in this thread aren't meant to be complaints regarding the moderation of this forum and I hope they are not being taken this way. I am merely arguing that due to the large amount of bans in this thread from users who (I personally believe) are not trolls nor racists, that this is definitely a very difficult and touchy subject to discuss on this forum, as others have brought up. I also don't intend to derail so this will be my last post regarding this.
I honestly don't know why the thread was reopened. It's either people telling other people not to use the word or people trying to justify context of saying the word. There's no good discussion and there isn't going to be.
Sorry I came in late and didn't see the last thread.
I was responding to a blanket statement about 'white should people never say that word'. Nothing is ever 'the same' but an artist asking a fan to reproduce their work makes the two cases not all that dissimilar. There are certain other contexts where the use of the word is 'appropriate' (acting, academics).
I want to understand, because to me the context is she was asked to come on stage and sing a song that has the n-word, but not say the n-word, with no one telling her to not sing the n-word but to sing the song that had the n-word in it.
Because those are the lyrics to the song I was asked to sing.
I think at one point we need to have a discussion about this.. Some people may not think is that much of a difference between these situations as they are both portrayal a of art pieces.
And some people may not feel that it should be allowed in films as it puts a hole in don't say it ever.
What the fuck?
How is that coming from a place of ignorance?
Dude is absolutely right, Em became a rap icon and never needed to say it
Get outta here with this "you sound pompous," "you sound holier-than-thou" trash
There are certain unspoken rules governing discourse. This is called decorum, or civility, and it is a social contract between people whether strangers or friends.
For example, you generally don't say "suck my dick" to your parents, professors, or bosses.
When you transgress that contract, and there's really nothing to stop you from doing so except your own self control, do not be surprised when you're vilified for it.
Why is there a social contract surrounding n*****?
Because it is a word and words are symbols and it is a symbol of oppression, which carries with it emotional power like a cross, or a swastika. Because of that power, it is used in the creation of art or the study of it to convey certain messages to audiences, in this case, it encapsulates the struggles of the African diaspora.
It's usage between blacks and by black artists signal a shared struggle due to the social position of blacks in countries over the world. However, when the word is used by white people, it's rarely evocative of its full meaning. It becomes then a kind of kitsch, an intentional transgression of the norm because some people, particularly youth, love flirting with danger.
And this trivializes and mocks the struggles the word is meant to convey in its reclaimation by the black community.
To add insult to injury, whites, as descendents of the oppressing group have the gall to lecture the oppressed group about how they should and should not feel about their own struggle, even as they perpetuate that oppression explicitly or implicitly by disrespecting the wishes of blacks, mocking them with cockamamie hypotheticals, or putting the onus on them to stop using the symbol of their shared struggle because they deeply want to say n***** with impunity.
For example, you generally don't say "suck my dick" to your parents, professors, or bosses.
When you transgress that contract, and there's really nothing to stop you from doing so except your own self control, do not be surprised when you're vilified for it.
Why is there a social contract surrounding n*****?
Because it is a word and words are symbols and it is a symbol of oppression, which carries with it emotional power like a cross, or a swastika. Because of that power, it is used in the creation of art or the study of it to convey certain messages to audiences, in this case, it encapsulates the struggles of the African diaspora.
It's usage between blacks and by black artists signal a shared struggle due to the social position of blacks in countries over the world. However, when the word is used by white people, it's rarely evocative of its full meaning. It becomes then a kind of kitsch, an intentional transgression of the norm because some people, particularly youth, love flirting with danger.
And this trivializes and mocks the struggles the word is meant to convey in its reclaimation by the black community.
To add insult to injury, whites, as descendents of the oppressing group have the gall to lecture the oppressed group about how they should and should not feel about their own struggle, even as they perpetuate that oppression explicitly or implicitly by disrespecting the wishes of blacks, mocking them with cockamamie hypotheticals, or putting the onus on them to stop using the symbol of their shared struggle because they deeply want to say n***** with impunity.
I don't think we should just say whatever word we want ontop--that's basically another example of erasure. Silence or permission to use the word from the artist are the only acceptable things I can think of.
It is an odd situation, being pulled on stage. You want to be respectful of the song--but, of course, what is respectful is up for debate.
It is an odd situation, being pulled on stage. You want to be respectful of the song--but, of course, what is respectful is up for debate.
What is your goal with these questions? What are you trying to learn/understand?
It seems you have an opinion about what happened and the use of the word but you're asking questions instead of expressing it.
These discussions would probably go a lot smother if people would actually get to the point they are attempting to make.
So what is your goal with this discussion?
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By the way, non-black PoC don't have a "nigga pass".
If someone lays out sweeping edicts about prohibited behavior across a wide variety of different contexts and then refuses to explain or argue for them, then they shouldn't be surprised if they are not taken seriously. Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen any actual arguments in this thread as to why saying the n-word in the context of a quotation from a song is somehow commensurate to using it unprompted in a normal conversation. Are white people supposed to pretend the word doesn't exist? What purpose is that supposed to serve? If a white scholar were doing their doctorate in linguistics on the usage of the n-word, would you insist that never actually write or say the word? Why?
I have no problem with what Kendrick Lamar did in this context -- I can't say I'm convinced of the logic behind it but it was a respectful interaction. But the reactions in this thread are pretty damn inexplicable to me.
The point is that we shouldn't have to be told that its not for us to say.
Its not rocket science.
lol WHAT? This was a thing? Was he has about Undercover Brother?
Heh..you sure about that?
As a non black person don't say the word. It's simple as that. Being in ther song lyrics doesn't somehow negate everything awful about that word as used by everyone who isn't black.
I'd say the same thing to you. This shit isn't rocket science
Had the same convo on this with my white roommate and similar to him, a lot of white ppl just don't fucking get it at all. It doesn't matter if you're just trying to rhyme along. Just don't fucking say it. How's that a hard social cue to learn and use?
And I've said it before in other threads, even as a Filipino, I'll never use that word because i have enough respect for my close black friends/family to just fucking know better. And i have absolutely zero inclination to ever say it at all.
And I've said this before, but i cringe to all hell when i see Asians say it to so freely.
And I've said it before in other threads, even as a Filipino, I'll never use that word because i have enough respect for my close black friends/family to just fucking know better. And i have absolutely zero inclination to ever say it at all.
And I've said this before, but i cringe to all hell when i see Asians say it to so freely.
You just omit the word. If you're old enough to go to the concert, you're old enough to know not to say that word if you're white. No one should have to tell her in advance.
This really isn't complicated.
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