do rappers want white fans? let us know by how you write the song.
Fuck no, how is she inciting hate speech?
???do rappers want white fans? let us know by how you write the song.
Bro you're from fucking Vancouver, don't act like you just now heard about the n-word. Or does word from the street not reach you when you're living in Trump Tower or whatever?Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand why anyone would want to use the word - I'm European caucasian from Vancouver Canada, and have never used that word personally and never heard it conversationally growing up, so I don't have context outside of US media, reading literature, and my time in the US (and only started traveling or living there in later in my 20s).
Can someone explain it to me and hopefully I don't get banned asking it? But why do black people in the US still use that word if they as a society don't want it? Doesn't it seem to be to be continuing to imbue it into the lexicon of your society when you want it removed from it? Especially for those ignorant to the historical significance. I understand systematic racism towards black people is still very strong in the US (and possibly even getting worse), but unless you are a victim of the systematic racism, then you aren't experiencing it first hand, it seems it may be hard for a lot of newer sheltered generations to learn the historical significance. So they don't get the historical significance but experience it from pop culture often - so it seems to create these kinds of situations.
I just don't understand the logic. Does it have something to do with trying to own a word and create your own cultural power on it to override the awful history of it? I just read the history on it and it never had a positive connotation and repurposed for a negative / derogatory connotation like some words to want to bring it back to the positive connotation. Because the logic of wanting to repurpose it and owning it makes sense but it seems to me to be less of a pro then the con of continuing to imbue it into the lexicon of US society to me. Is this where the difference is in thoughts because nobody using the word at all and only culture that experienced it using it?
I just don't think I see it in any other situation in the other cultures or subcultures I've experienced or lived in. I just always go by the philosophy of only using the words someone wants to be described with - and if you're not sure you ask - so you don't have these situations like you see with this girl. While that would seem obvious, I do see this not being applied by a lot of people still, especially with the newer dynamic of pronouns.
And that's probably the best example I can understand and why this doesn't make sense to me. Unless I know I always ask someone what pronoun they prefer to use the correct pronoun for their gender identification (as an example), and then I never see them use the pronoun they don't prefer but don't tell me to use the pronoun they just used - that would seem counter-productive to me.
Thoughts? Again hopefully not banned for trying to understand. Mods please understand the ignorance when you don't have US context.
You sound like a crazy person lol. If you can't say ONE WORD, you can't be a fan? Really? Seriously? Dios mio..do rappers want white fans? let us know by how you write the song.
do rappers want white fans? let us know by how you write the song.
a word that was written into the song, then white people were asked to sing.You sound like a crazy person lol. If you can't say ONE WORD, you can't be a fan? Really? Seriously? Dios mio..
Am a little because that's not how you get a charge for inciting hatred in the UK. Still, we should serious consider the idea of punitive damages for using racial slurs - perhaps as a tort rather than criminal.
Again, not one of my white friends says that word in song next to me..they just blank it out. Ain't hard..a word that was written into the song, then white people were asked to sing.
Think the scenarios aren't analogous.Have anyone tried to skip words/lines in catchy songs (okay, I've never heard this song at all)? I find it difficult as fuck. When I am at work and starting singing along without noticing I sing stuff about murdering christians, praising Satan and stuff, and all the people sitting around me are the most religious people I ever met.
Always makes me feel a bit stupid. But damn, cant listen to songs like Ghost - Year Zero without singing out loud!
Again, not one of my white friends says that word in song next to me..they just blank it out. Ain't hard..
Am a little because that's not how you get a charge for inciting hatred in the UK. Still, we should serious consider the idea of punitive damages for using racial slurs - perhaps as a tort rather than criminal.
How do you see that happening?And watch it immediately fucking collapse when it's used against the people it's supposed to protect.
The it's in the song argument is simply an excuse to try and recontextualize something and make a scenario where it's ok to do that's not ok. It's not that hard to not say it or am I wrong? Is it difficult to not say the word if you're white?I completely get people not wanting non blacks to use that word in speech etc. But in a song, I feel that iffy. Ppl write wrongs )with lyrics which can be completely out of control (I'm not talking about a specifc word etc , just songs in general . eg pumped up kicks is about shooting ppl does that mean no one should sing pumped up kicks etc).
Anyway the siutation is avoided by not having her on stage.
I wish the cost to say nigga turned you into a black person.
All of you would opt out so fast. This thread is funny
Why did you took such defensive position? I'm attacking no one.Want to know what's actually crazy? Centuries of oppression against black folks. Your opinion on this topic is irrelevant. If you ain't black, don't say it.
So in the end, the context doesn't matter? So is de facto racist if other that black say it. Like if someone reads lyrics with the word nigga and reads it without censor himself, it's on the same page with someone who is pro-slavery, thinks black people are subhuman etc?Here the speaker's skin color matters BECAUSE THE WORD ITSELF HAS RACIAL CONNOTATIONS. A knife in a cook and a murderer's hands convey different things. The N-word is similar. Regardless of intent, a white person saying it digs up memories of slavery and racism that's been plaguing black people for centuries.
Most other words we use don't have similar connotations because they aren't words that were MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISPARAGING AN IDENTITY.
I don't get it. Kendrick Lamar doesn't need to show people he's "woke" regarding that word.
He told her proper etiquette, she appologized, she got to finish the song. Everyone was friendly and his opinion on the matter goes viral. I think it's pretty obvious what he gets out of it. The outrage from some is super weird.
Bro you're from fucking Vancouver, don't act like you just now heard about the n-word. Or does word from the street not reach you when you're living in Trump Tower or whatever?
A tort isn't a crime. It's a civil wrong which can lead to compensation. It's actioned by private citizens, not the state.If you truly believe a word is damaging enough that it should be illegal just to mutter it, you don't think it won't be used negatively against black people?
Every fucking person here is going "only black people should say it" but you don't think that making a word some type of crime--again, just for saying it--would not ever backfire?
I really don't understand those who think minorities are so oppressed that the law should be designed to protect them. The laws that are enforced and instated by the people who want to oppress minorities.
So in the end, the context doesn't matter? So is de facto racist if other that black say it. Like if someone reads lyrics with the word nigga and reads it without censor himself, it's on the same page with someone who is pro-slavery, thinks black people are subhuman etc?
I wish the cost to say nigga turned you into a black person.
All of you would opt out so fast. This thread is funny
"I just want to try on some of the clothes, I don't want to wear the entire outfit."I wish the cost to say nigga turned you into a black person.
All of you would opt out so fast. This thread is funny
She's lucky she isn't in the UK as she would probably end up doing jail time for inciting hatred/hate speech.
A tort isn't a crime. It's a civil wrong which can lead to compensation. It's actioned by private citizens, not the state.
Again. Tort is not a crime. No police unless they don't attend court. The judiciary is overly-white though, and that should be addressed.The police force and judicial system still being overly white?
The judiciary is overly-white though, and that should be addressed.
I would actually love to see this as a separate thread. I don't think it should necessarily be discussed in this context, as I don't think it should take away from the issue at hand... it's not like because he says bitch that she can use the nword... but yeah, would love some commentary on the popular use of the word "bitch" and its consequences.