He's probably being courted by the worst type of people atm.
Not really the same thing, but okay.
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Kevin Hart steps down from hosting the Oscars
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This whole thing has been a masterclass on what not to do when asked to account for your shitty behavior.
I wish I could bookmark this post.
All these comparisons to the James Gunn situation are so misguided.
1). Saying Hart's past comments were weaponized is a stretch. As shown above, he was given every opportunity to apologize, to showcase his growth, to move on. This entire discussion was primarily done in good faith: it presented his tweets genuinely, and presented a potential response to them genuinely.
2). What Gunn did and what Hart did are at the inverse of one another: whereas Gunn made uniquely inappropriate jokes about uniquely sensitive subjects that no one could confuse as reflecting actual sentiments, Hart made a series of standard ass homophobic jokes that very much seemed rooted in his own feelings. Not a lot of people cared all that much to get a pound of flesh over his past transgressions; people just wanted confirmation that he's grown up and wasn't a damn homophobe.
3). Hart chose to step down instead of apologize. Gunn had already made a very good apology for the things he said, and apologized again before being forcibly fired.
So yeah, maybe stop conflating those two situations, like they aren't different on a number of fundamental levels...?
He should've apologized.
I also find that joke about him 'still growing' because of his small stature pretty funny. Though I wonder, to those currently guffawing at short man barbs, what would happen if say in 10 years making fun of a man's short stature, an uncontrollable characteristic subject to social and professional discrimination, fell out of favor with liberal norms. I wonder how we would react if upon getting a new job in 2030 we had to go back and grovel for our decade-old diminutive disparagement, even if our beliefs changed with the times.
In any case, whether he apologized previously or whether he cares about this particular gig or not, he should have just sucked it up and apologized again. You're one of the hottest stars right now and you have to think long term. I'm sure the good people of Philadelphia can't handle too many more Ls after the Meek Mill fiasco.
I also find that joke about him 'still growing' because of his small stature pretty funny. Though I wonder, to those currently guffawing at short man barbs, what would happen if say in 10 years making fun of a man's short stature, an uncontrollable characteristic subject to social and professional discrimination, fell out of favor with liberal norms. I wonder how we would react if upon getting a new job in 2030 we had to go back and grovel for our decade-old diminutive disparagement, even if our beliefs changed with the times.
In any case, whether he apologized previously or whether he cares about this particular gig or not, he should have just sucked it up and apologized again. You're one of the hottest stars right now and you have to think long term. I'm sure the good people of Philadelphia can't handle too many more Ls after the Meek Mill fiasco.
The James Gunn situation is like the polar opposite of this, but okay
Let's dig through your history and see if we can paint you as a bigot.
It's not even remotely the same situation, and you know that.
Franco/Hathaway, Letterman, Kimmel were all pretty abysmal performances that took some of the luster off of their participants. Chris Rock Probably took something of a hit as well.
Seth McFarlane had a bad show but he really didn't have anywhere to go but up. He's maybe the one person who was smart to take the job, purely for exposure. For anyone established it's not really worth the hassle and pressure.
The Academy was right to fire him but hiring him in the first place despite his history was not a good look.
People are hired all the time even with troubling history
Bryan Singer still getting jobs
Victor Salva was given money to make another JC
Johnny Depp still getting roles
Etc
Did hosting the oscars really hurt francos career? And I mean any actual proof? Cause he kind of does his own thing and went to teach and do other shit, and has come back for roles here and there.
What are you referring to when you talk about his history?
I think it's kind of hard to make the argument that bombing on the world's largest stage doesn't intangibly hurt your career in some fashion. At best people come out of the hosting gig unscathed, because even with talent it is hard being saddled to this dud of a production.
I am pretty sure Cena had gay jokes as well. I don't think Cena is a homophobe though. I believe his brother is gay. But well, different era of bad taste and homophobia.
One of my all times faves was Sam Kinison and his gay jokes were BRUTAL. None of that shit would fly now.
Boogie's centrism is so stupid and toxic. But that hustle to be indifferent sure helps his views.
Plenty of up and coming presenters that can easily take over the gig, Boogie acting like it's gonna be difficult because of the precedence he imagines this controversy has
it's gonna be so hard to find people who didn't call other people slurs and tell their sons not to be gay and never apologize for it :(
Its impressive how badly it was handled. Not many things in life have an easy button. This was one of them.
can someone post some receipts for the "apologized many times" thing, please
because it's amazing how many times I've seen that talking point, and yet the one apology I've seen circulated around (from 2015, I think) was more a defense of his homophobia than an actual apology
I am truly shocked that you didn't return to the thread after making a factually incorrect comparison that is built around your very well known bias.
If he'd apologized about it many times and has changed his views, you would think restating that would be no big thing to clear the air and keep a job.
Really makes you wonder, huh?
Really makes you wonder, huh?
Spoken like a dude who gets all his news from topic headers in reddit gaming forums
I agree with 1 but not 2.
Both made tweets that are indefensible! Would you be saying the same if a White nationalist group brought Hart's tweets back to the surface? it sucks that Gunn's tweets were weaponized, but Gunn made those tweets; not anybody else. Same for Hart.
Sometimes you can't apologize your way out of some shit.
The biggest difference between the two is Gunn looks to have grown from his past mistakes.
Kevin Hart will rise from the dead and host the oscars for the next 50 years after this years Oscars
It's badass, don't waste your time. It's 100% trolling, it's what he does.
It's honestly shocking that he's made it through GAF and Era. The vast majority of posts he makes are to troll threads.
Agreed. I get that the LGBTQ community has been attacked in ways far worse on average than short men have, but to argue that it's not hypocritical (or to ignore the fact that it is) to mock a short man because he's short is pretty ignorant.
Wow. This is really all you got out of this? The solution is simple.. you just have to apologize sincerely.
Boogie, by yourself, you suck as much as an entire species. I hope you shart yourself on your next date.
You already said this in the other thread. The answer is still the same.
Y'all play yourselves and suddenly it's everyone else's fault that you can't say sorry, not even for securing the bag.
When you say something horrible, even be it a joke, but when you grow as a person....everytime someone brings it up, you take that opportunity to address it as it was the first apology. To spread awareness to the issue.
I get that he was trying to be prideful when feeling he didn't have to address the issue again... mainly because he feels he said he would never address the issue again... but not everyone watches the Breakfast Club... not everyone follows everything you say.
So it's not that others have to go out of their way to seek the truth... you have to go out of your way to make up for it. Which in this case means, apologizes again.
I get that he was trying to be prideful when feeling he didn't have to address the issue again... mainly because he feels he said he would never address the issue again... but not everyone watches the Breakfast Club... not everyone follows everything you say.
So it's not that others have to go out of their way to seek the truth... you have to go out of your way to make up for it. Which in this case means, apologizes again.