KFC Spain decides that racism is a good marketing ploy

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Akira86

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American culture with deep fried and battered racism is one of the primary exports. That in addition with Spain's just completely horrible history on the subject, they don't have a lot of room for any benefit of doubt.

plausible deniability, not all that plausible
 

DemyxC

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I get why people don't like this, but I don't care so it's whatever.....This isn't inherently racist, but they clearly see it's bothering some folks and still choose to keep it up and that does say something.
 

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I'm from Spain. There's is lots of racism in my country. However, the stereotype of black people and fried chicken doesn't exist in my country, that's an American thing. I believe this is just an unfortunate coincidence.

Likewise, there are things that in Spain would be considered racist that aren't in other places. I mean, I recently learned that now in America the Ok sign is a Nazi thing. I looked up the history of the fried chicken thing and it originates in America, we don't even have a tradition of fried chicken.

The joke they are making is that this player commited a penalty this weekend which was very controversial because he wasn't facing the ball but had his hand high in the air, and they are implying it was to get some of their chicken. I have no doubt they'd have made the same joke if it was a white player, it's not like we aren't constantly making jokes about Hazard going to MacDonald's. It was unfortunate for sure, and they should take it down, but I don't think it's fair to blame a Spaniard community manager for not knowing about a racist American stereotype, believe it or not the US is not the centre or the world.
To add a little more to the context:
The game was really important because it could decide the champioship, as aresult it was in the centre of the public attention, after the handball there was an explosion of memes on the web about the player(Militao a brazilian) and his hand touching stuff.
The agency working for KFC tried to use this memes for marketing purposes.
PS: in spanish twitter the most discussion is if KFC has the right to use Eder Militao´s image( they are pissed of Madrid fans ) without the team´s consent.
 
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Djalminha

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I think regardless of whether or not this person is famous and that's the message, it's clearly not the message the vast majority of people are going to take from this, especially with zero context or explanation. I can't believe someone okayed this without considering how it'd be perceived.

For the record, I know it's KFC Spain, and Spain may not have the stereotype that all black people love fried chicken, but KFC is a global brand.
You are the one missing context,but Spaniards, those to whom it is directed, will get it. It is a reference to a highly controversial penalty he committed during yesterday's game. The fact he had his hand up in the air at shoulder height was decisive, and we've been arguing and making memes all day, this moment might decide the winner of the football league. KFC made their meme like everyone else, and it happened to be racist in another continent.

When Americans make a meme, do you take a minute to consider it might be offensive elsewhere?
 

AM_LIGHT

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Associating black people with chicken is the most racist thing ever because literally everyone likes chicken.
I say this as a black man who likes chicken.
 

Akira86

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would we be having this conversation if it was Chiquita and not KFC? is that a racist reference that transcends the cross Atlantic journey?
 

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do you see a way for companies like KFC to advertise thier fried-chicken using african-americans that would not be considered racist?
 

DevilMayGuy

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Let me do some acrobatics to explain how this, despite looking like, acting like, and quacking like racism, isn't actually racism.

Nah it's just racism, acting like Spain of all places is somehow immune to stereotyping black people is nonsense. I've seen some of y'all's snack foods and watermelon branding
 
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When Americans make a meme, do you take a minute to consider it might be offensive elsewhere?
If you're a well compensated social media or brand manager, running a social account with global reach, yes.

It's not like this is an individual firing off memes from their phone so they can be the first response post to a thread on Era.

These are individuals on a team, who run everything that gets posted through approvals.

The folks earlier in the thread who were blaming this on "interns" don't understand how corporations handle social. "Interns" don't run these channels.
 

Era Uma Vez

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It's racist, but it's not intentionally racist. It's not a campaign, it's a meme, the player has been put in all sorts of "memeful situations" over the last couple of days and KFC Spain just hopped on the bandwagon.
If anything, what made this whole situation purposely racist is that the post is still up.
Real racism also comes from not being able to aknowledge that your post was offensive, wether you meant it or not, and that you should just take it down.
 

Djalminha

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Let me do some acrobatics to explain how this, despite looking like, acting like, and quacking like racism, isn't actually racism.

Nah it's just racism, acting like Spain of all places is somehow immune to stereotyping black people is nonsense. I've seen some of y'all's snack foods and watermelon branding
We are not saying that Spain is not racist. We are saying that Americans acting like their local stereotypes are somehow universal is wrong. You are missing the total context of the meme and judging it because there is a black guy and chicken. That is not a thing outside your country, and it is actually offensive how Americans always act like they are the centre of the world. Almost no one in Spain knows of this stereotype, I only do because I live in Canada. They are making a joke about yesterday's game.
 

Djalminha

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If you're a well compensated social media or brand manager, running a social account with global reach, yes.

It's not like this is an individual firing off memes from their phone so they can be the first response post to a thread on Era.

These are individuals on a team, who run everything that gets posted through approvals.

The folks earlier in the thread who were blaming this on "interns" don't understand how corporations handle social. "Interns" don't run these channels.
I don't think that's how it works in Spain. They had a meeting, nobody knew anything about the stereotype because they are all from Spain, they just said "today what's trendy is Militao, let's get in on that, everyone likes football jokes."
It's racist, but it's not intentionally racist. It's not a campaign, it's a meme, the player has been put in all sorts of "memeful situations" over the last couple of days and KFC Spain just hopped on the bandwagon.
If anything, what made this whole situation purposely racist is that the post is still up.
Real racism also comes from not being able to aknowledge that your post was offensive, wether you meant it or not, and that you should just take it down.
Edit: I confused PM and AM like an idiot. It's late here.
 
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Akira86

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this dude is legit "offended" himself, because American racism is infecting(informing) Spanish racism?

newsflash...
 

Era Uma Vez

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While I agree completely with the content of your post, this came out after midnight local time and it's almost 3 AM now. It was probably programmed and nobody will see the backlash for a few hours. If it's still up in 7 hours, I'll happily eat these words.
Nah, the post has been up for 13 hours. It was posted at like 2PM local time, today.
 
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Oh cool, it's my favorite time of day;

When non-Black Era users tell Black people what is and isn't racist, because media and stereotypes definitely don't permeate international borders.

Rule of thumb: If you're not Black and you're going to say something "isn't racist", maybe try shutting the fuck up?
 
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I don't think that's how it works in Spain. They had a meeting, nobody knew anything about the stereotype because they are all from Spain, they just said "today what's trendy is Militao, let's get in on that, everyone likes football jokes."

While I agree completely with the content of your post, this came out after midnight local time and it's almost 3 AM now. It was probably programmed and nobody will see the backlash for a few hours. If it's still up in 7 hours, I'll happily eat these words.
The post went live at 1:20 PM Madrid time (Twitter time stamps are a thing).

It has been live for ~13.5 hours.
 

Hollywood Duo

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We are not saying that Spain is not racist. We are saying that Americans acting like their local stereotypes are somehow universal is wrong. You are missing the total context of the meme and judging it because there is a black guy and chicken. That is not a thing outside your country, and it is actually offensive how Americans always act like they are the centre of the world. Almost no one in Spain knows of this stereotype, I only do because I live in Canada. They are making a joke about yesterday's game.
First of all, it’s an American company so your whole argument is flawed. Second, this is not just known in America. Maybe you don’t know much about it but it’s a global society now and has been for awhile.
 

enempi

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I am so tired of the whole “this is not a thing outside of America” spiel, like you get to just declare what is and isn’t racist and award yourself a permanent pass because of “culture”. There is no such thing as something being racist in one country but not racist in the other.

This logic is ridiculous, and completely breaks down when applied to individuals. Like obviously I could not be like “oh when I said all blacks are lazy I was just referencing a recent pop culture event. You see my family has no history of using that stereotype so you can’t really apply your standards to me”. But for some reason “European” is some special distinction where you get to say blatant racist stereotypes are not actually racist because there is “no history of this racist stereotype” (other than, you know, the tweet we are all looking at)
 

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First of all, it’s an American company so your whole argument is flawed. Second, this is not just known in America. Maybe you don’t know much about it but it’s a global society now and has been for awhile.
Says who? There's barely a few results when you search black people and fried chicken in Spanish. You have people from different countries in this thread saying that this is not known in their countries. And it's an American company but this was done by a Spanish person. If KFC America makes a meme about a black person swimming, is that racist because that is a racist stereotype in Spain?
 

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You are the one missing context,but Spaniards, those to whom it is directed, will get it. It is a reference to a highly controversial penalty he committed during yesterday's game. The fact he had his hand up in the air at shoulder height was decisive, and we've been arguing and making memes all day, this moment might decide the winner of the football league. KFC made their meme like everyone else, and it happened to be racist in another continent.

When Americans make a meme, do you take a minute to consider it might be offensive elsewhere?
Honestly, I get where you're coming from. You make a valid point, but when I share memes, I'm sharing them with friends. I am not a global brand with an expansive social media presence. I totally get that the intention wasn't to be offensive, but I know for sure that a hell of a lot of people don't understand the context. Their brain is going to instead fixate on the one context they do understand.
 

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First of all, it’s an American company so your whole argument is flawed. Second, this is not just known in America. Maybe you don’t know much about it but it’s a global society now and has been for awhile.
American company in a different continent hiring local people.

Give the image to say, KFC Vietnam for example, and no one will have a clue what the hell you want to convey.
 

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You can accept that there's a lot of racism in Spain and that people in Spain are largely unaware of this stereotype.

In the end KFC is an American company so I agree that they should know better.
 

NookSports

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it’s an American company so your whole argument is flawed
I've worked running social media accounts on global companies like KFC. Approvals for posts in another country get run all the way up to that country's leadership (or region, depending on how the company is set up); almost never up to corporate, unless it's some kind of co-ordinated global campaign. The most likely thing is that this post was made by a Spanish social media manager, and approved by KFC Spain marketing department. Add to that the fact that most of the big fast food chains tend to operate with country-exclusive franchisees and not directly and it's plausible nobody in this chain of posting had knowledge of this particular racist stereotype.

Racist stereotypes are by definition illogical and dependent on the society that produced it... so it's tricky to judge one society by the stereotypes of another. Especially when there's so much (and worse) to criticize Spain about
 
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KFC Spain may not realize the racist undertown between black people and fried chicken, but that doesn't mean it's not racist. It is not up to the offended party to justify why they are offeneded. Instead the people ignorant of how the potrayal can be racist can use it as a learning moment rather then dismiss racism whether intentional or not.
 

Akira86

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i'm not writing Spain a pass.

my pass book remains closed to you , Spain.

I've had my eyes on you. 1492
 

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Is odd to me that KFC of all companies don't have guidelines for their global marketing agencies explaining the risks of using black people to promote their products without being aware of all the racist connotations that could be involved with it, like I doubt who whoever did that tweet has direct contact with the USA hq (like most of the localized brand companies)

Now even if there is a possibility that whoever did that tweet didnt know about the racial connotations that the tweet could have in the USA (some users here overstimate how much all the population of non english countries is aware of every aspect of american culture) I still feel that KFC account handler knew about it since from my experience, all people who run those accounts are fully aware of anglo american internet culture and that stereotype is a pretty famous one, also after all this backlash is odd that they haven't removed it yet
 

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I've worked running social media accounts on global companies like KFC. Approvals for posts in another country get run all the way up to that country's leadership (or region, depending on how the company is set up); almost never up to corporate, unless it's some kind of co-ordinated global campaign. The most likely thing is that this post was made by a Spanish social media manager, and approved by KFC Spain marketing department. Add to that the fact that most of the big fast food chains tend to operate with country-exclusive franchisees and not directly and it's plausible nobody in this chain of posting had knowledge of this particular racist stereotype.

Racist stereotypes are by definition illogical and dependent on the society that produced it... so it's tricky to judge one society by the stereotypes of another. Especially when there's so much (and worse) to criticize Spain about
We can agree on your last point.
 

Niosai

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Gonna be real. The amount of handwaving this because Spain apparently doesn't have the same stereotypes is ridiculous. KFC is an American company with a global presence. Twitter is a global platform. Anyone can see KFC's tweet. Are we gonna start saying that people aren't allowed to be hurt or offended because it's not the same implication their country?

I'm not black, but I hope I'm also not stepping over a line by saying that this is a double-standard and KFC is clearly in the wrong here. I get their intention, I get why they posted it, but that doesn't mean it's totally okay to ignore that the connotation can and will be easily misinterpreted from their intended one.
 

Order

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i guess i’m just not understanding what compels people to defend kfc instead of listening to black people lol

other than racism ofc
 

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First of all, it’s an American company so your whole argument is flawed. Second, this is not just known in America. Maybe you don’t know much about it but it’s a global society now and has been for awhile.
Everything about this is wrong. Because it's an American company are you expecting the Spanish branch to be filled with Americans? Do you believe HR and line managers specifically look for a high degree of American society understanding when recruiting? Furthermore, this might not be a USA exclusive stereotype but it doesn't seem to be a Spanish one. Where else is this a stereotype anyway, if you'd be so kind?
 

Magni

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I'm not assuming ill intent, don't get me wrong. But as a global company, they should avoid playing into things that could be seen as offensive.

Example: That time Nintendo removed a gesture that could be seen as offensive in some places, yet seemed innocuous in others

I'm not saying walk on thin ice, but I am saying there were probably far better ways to send that message less vaguely.
I missed that piece of Mario Kart news, as a French guy I find it hilarious, but I get why Nintendo would patch it out.

There's a small difference between that and this though, since Nintendo actively markets users in countries where a bras d'honneur is an offensive gesture, whereas this tweet is aimed at a Spanish audience rather than an American one.

Of course, KFC is a global company and the internet is global, so this is quite different from a small Spanish mom and pop shop coming up with a similar idea and printing it out outside their chicken joint.
 

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I guess the question is, does KFC promote the stereotype that black people like chicken or did they want to do the usual "this famous person like KFC" and that person happened to be black. I don't know who this person is and so I don't know.
You can forgive somebody a little if the intent wasn't there, but it doesn't define whether that thing they did was racist or not. That's up to the group of people affected to judge.
 

Hollywood Duo

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Everything about this is wrong. Because it's an American company are you expecting the Spanish branch to be filled with Americans? Do you believe HR and line managers specifically look for a high degree of American society understanding when recruiting? Furthermore, this might not be a USA exclusive stereotype but it doesn't seem to be a Spanish one. Where else is this a stereotype anyway, if you'd be so kind?
I'm not talking about stores, I'm talking about corporate office people who absolutely need to consider global perspective in everthing they do

Here are some examples of Europeans associating fried chicken with black people


 
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