I thought the one scene in DDD where Sora sees a vision of him next to YX with the line "You are the one who has made your heart a prison... Even if you are not the prisoner" made the possibility of a dormant Vanitas within Sora quite clear.
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There might still be something like that in KH3. The only thing we know for sure was that he was knocked out when he was taken away by Braig and Xehanort, and seemed a bit off when he showed up again (as Saix) at the end of DDD.
Mickey is definitely stupid but in fairness he never really stopped being busy. The Organization was on the move, Sora was asleep, and Riku had gone off on his own only to return after using the power of Darkness and taking the form of Xehanort's Heartless.
That's still very much extrapolation and one I would still question. And the entire reason for the organization was for them to become more like their normal selves. I don't buy that excuse for just up and discarding their name. Doesn't make much sense at all. Also high ranking nobodies are said to be controlled by their respective Organization member, so there's a lot more implying that they're nobodies than them not. Besides, even if we were to ignore all of this, all signs indicate to nobodies being stronger than their somebodies, so I would certainly contest your initial excuse. Surely not enough to prove the idea of the inverse being the case (somebody overpowering the nobody).
Your answer depends on several assumptions many of which I don't see as likely especially given what has been blatantly shown and implied, which is why I posed the point initially. Again maybe I'm just jumping the gun, but based on what we know this feels like a weird inconsistency.
Is Vanitus a heartless and does that make Ventus a nobody?
Currently replaying BBS and can't remember thinking of this question
Currently replaying BBS and can't remember thinking of this question
Why does Xehanort need to make the 13 pieces of darkness all himself? If all of these pieces are willing why does he need to be all of them?
Also at the end of DDD when Young Xehanort says he's going back to his time, but not really because he obviously is still needed for Xehanort and is there when MX tries to enslave Sora. So what...?
Vanitus is the Darkness that was within Ventus' heart, so no as far as I know Ventus isn't a nobody.
Also at the end of DDD when Young Xehanort says he's going back to his time, but not really because he obviously is still needed for Xehanort and is there when MX tries to enslave Sora. So what...?
Vanitus is the Darkness that was within Ventus' heart, so no as far as I know Ventus isn't a nobody.
I've been told (without any spoilers) that chi is very important for understanding the ending of KH3. The brother of one of the main known leaker of the game disliked the ending partially due to this.
Ventus had been around for a long while. He was in the mobile game.
Xigbar can definitely be argued (and hell Roxas can probably beat Ventus tbh), but those are just two out of thirteen. Xaldin and Marluxia, and likely Vexen definitely seem to be. Especially since they can each control their high ranking nobodies in addition to their added abilities.
There was no safe way to enter(and leave) the realm of darkness until KHIII
No, he's just Ventus' darkness manifested.
They probably aren't all willing. And if a member is a Nobody then he probably has to put a piece of heart in them to make it work. It's just insurance to make sure the job is done right, I suppose.
Basically they're just having a time-out to come back later.
I was just talking about Chirithy, but you're right. Ventus and the original human forms of Marluxia and Larxene are in KHx. As for the stuff in 0.2, Luxu appears at the very beginning with the No Name Keyblade, watching Kingdom Hearts appear at the end of the Keyblade War.
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How can I catch up on all the relevant beats from Unchained/x/chi/whatever? Is there a YouTube video that doesn't leave anything important out?
Prior to the events of Birth By Sleep, Master Xehanort took out the darkness within Ventus' heart and it materialized as Vanitas, an humanoid creature without a face. When Ventus heart connected with a newborn heart, Sora, Vanitas' heart was also connected. In the span of 4 years, Vanitas appearance ended up resembling what would be Sora's appearance at the age of Ventus. If Riku was the person who connected to Ventus, Vanitas would have taken Riku's appearance instead.
At the end of BBS, Ventus heart was damaged by the confrontation of his inner light and darkness (Ventus vs Vanitas), and ended up seeking refuge inside Sora's heart, since they had already made a connection. Ventus' heart was kept inside Sora up to the first Kingdom Hearts. When Sora stabs himself, not only did he release Kairi's heart, but also Ventus, which ended up in Sora's nobody, Roxas. Roxas was the sole nobody that was already born with a heart, and that's why he could feel sentiments as early as he did, compared to the rest of Organization XIII, which took time to grew their new hearts.
Splitting in two damaged Ventus's heart, which almost killed him. Master Xehanort brought him to Destiny Islands to pass on peacefully, however, Ventus's heart came in contact with Sora's heart, who helped heal him. This connection affected Vanitas's appearance.
After his final battle with Vanitas, Ventus's heart fell into sleep and once again joined Sora's heart to recuperate. Sora continued to unknowingly carry around Ventus's sleeping heart for next ten years. Once Sora split into Heartless and Nobody, Ventus's heart went to the newly formed Roxas, which made him resemble Ven. This is also why Roxas could use two Keyblades, as the pain Roxas felt at Xion's death caused Ven's sleeping heart to react and let Roxas use Ven's Keyblade in addition to Sora's.
I feel like I've seen the scene for the latter, what do I search? Otherwise I'm pretty up to date, going to watch some refreshers. The only thing I relied 100% on vids would be the mobile game stuff.
First ten Episodes go through what may be relevant in Kingdom Hearts 3.
So minor correction, but pretty sure this is from the aftermath of the first keyblade war because by this point Xehanort had already been using the no name keyblade while fighting against Terra. Also the master of masters said that the no name keyblade would successfully be passed down from Luxu to his apprentices so by the time the Terra xehanort battle is happening the keyblade has already been passed down through many generations.
During the mid segment of DDD, why does Yen Sid and Mickey keep talking about Xehanort being at Destiny Island? What's the importance of that?
It allowed Young Xehanort the ability to travel back in time to the Destiny Islands, they were pointing on how Xehanorts Heartless was there which allowed that to happen.
You're totally right, sorry. I always connected it with BBS rather than the Keyblade War due to it being in 0.2, but the end of the War makes a lot more sense.
Wait, why does starting the war summon the Keyblade that opens kingdom hearts? It's it like a failsafe or something?
10 episodes, each 20+ minutes sounds like...a lot.
Thanks though! I guess I can make my way through them slowly...
It's a bit bloated due to gameplay sections in future parts. It combines the movie and the mobile game together in the most coherent fashion. There may be quicker summaries out there, but i'm not sure.
I think he comes from Destinys Island just like Sora and Riku.
Kid Riku talked about someone that left the islands to explore the outside world, so that must have been Xehanort.
To basically hijack the Mark of Mastery exam Sora and Riku were taking in an attempt to enslave Sora as one of the 13 pieces of Darkness.
Unversed are physical manifestations of Vanitas' darkness. I'm not totally sure on the answer to your second part.
Oh yeah that's the other thing, why does Sora and Riku need to be at Destiny Island to enter the sleeping worlds?
They had to go back in time before Destiny Islands was "sleeping" to wait for the darkness to overtake it so they could fall into the sleeping worlds. It doesn't make a lot of sense but yeah.
currently replaying the games, but if i can't finish everything, i'll catch up with this video!
Is there a longer one that goes even more in detail?
They went to a sleeping world version of destiny islands. As they needed to open that keyhole to go deeper
Okay so isn't Roxas just ventus but without his memories, or is he his own being that just happens to take his form because of the impact of sora having more than 1 heart.
If the plan is for 13 beings of darkness to fight 7 warriors of light..... Why wouldn't they just do their best not to match the number. I mean the x blade needs 13 and 7 so just not playing the game seems like a better plan.
At the end of ddd I'm confident that Riku x sora is a canon ship, not a question just needed to say it.
The only game in the series I truly didn't pay any attention to was recoded so explain the concept of data to me. Because apparently data was transferred into sora and sora may or may not have memories of data sora? I'm confused
Oh and how did the xenoanourt time travel? We defeated those forms but they didn't die so did he pull them from their timelines or is it just the key blade isn't actually capable of killing.
If the plan is for 13 beings of darkness to fight 7 warriors of light..... Why wouldn't they just do their best not to match the number. I mean the x blade needs 13 and 7 so just not playing the game seems like a better plan.
At the end of ddd I'm confident that Riku x sora is a canon ship, not a question just needed to say it.
The only game in the series I truly didn't pay any attention to was recoded so explain the concept of data to me. Because apparently data was transferred into sora and sora may or may not have memories of data sora? I'm confused
Oh and how did the xenoanourt time travel? We defeated those forms but they didn't die so did he pull them from their timelines or is it just the key blade isn't actually capable of killing.
You mean not having the 7 warriors of light? Its stated that if they don't put up a fight as the 7, then Xehanort will go after the 7 Princesses of Heart which will essentially accomplish the same goal. So they decide to fight.
Data that you're referring to first is the data within Jiminy's journal, the data became corrupt due to Namine and they had to go into the Journal with a Data version of Sora to find out wtf was going on. The data that was transferred to Sora was done so by Ansem when he was sleeping waiting for his memories to restore. It apparently holds the data to save everyone or something. Riku pulled this data out back to the real world when he saved Sora from being enslaved to Xehanort.
The portal to the sleeping worlds only appears when a world falls to darkness.
Everyone says that 90% of Recoded is not important, so what's that remaining 10% that I need to know about Recoded for the narrative?
The latter. Roxas only looks like Ventus because of the connection that Sora and Ventus have. Otherwise, Roxas and Ventus are two separate individuals.
Mickey finds out from a Data version of Namine that she discovered other peoples memories when repairing Sora. She shows these people who Sora will need to save from suffering to Mickey who relays the information to Sora in the real world. Maleficent and Pete get trapped in the data world at some point and learn of the data of all worlds, this comes into play later at the end of Dream Drop where they come to Mickeys castle and want the data of all the worlds. They also learn again of Ansem planting data in Sora as a sort of payment for his sins.
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These scenes that connects 2 and DDD.
The Sora you see in the first scene is just a simulation.
I said this a couple weeks ago in the KH community thread, but again, why is Terra still possessed by Xehanort after KH1? Xehanort used his heart to posses Terra. Than sometime after BBS and before KH1, Xehanort removed his heart from Terra's body. Therefore the logical and simple thing to say is that the villain in KH1 is just Master Xehanort's heart turned into a heartless (which is why he's dressed the same, has the same kind of personality, and looks like a young version of MX while looking nothing like Terra) and the villain in KH2 is just a corrupted Terra with amnesia.
Instead, Xemnas is some bizarre Terra/Xehanort hybrid despite theoretically no longer being possessed by Xehanort. I'm actually not sure about Xehanort's heartless, so is there anything that says that he is also supposed to be part Terra despite having no resemblance whatsoever to Terra?
Additionally, why is the time-travelled Xehanort heartless working as an underling for the human Master Xehanort in DDD and KH3 when he's apparently the guy who set everything up in the first place?
Instead, Xemnas is some bizarre Terra/Xehanort hybrid despite theoretically no longer being possessed by Xehanort. I'm actually not sure about Xehanort's heartless, so is there anything that says that he is also supposed to be part Terra despite having no resemblance whatsoever to Terra?
Additionally, why is the time-travelled Xehanort heartless working as an underling for the human Master Xehanort in DDD and KH3 when he's apparently the guy who set everything up in the first place?
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It didn't always seem that way. The first War was said to be fought in order to claim the X-Blade. Somehow, after the original Keyblade War the X-Blade was broken into 7 pieces of Light and 13 pieces of Darkness. Xehanort's battle pits these numbers against each other to recreate it.
The strange thing about the first Keyblade War (Seen in the mobile game) is that the X-Blade is neither appears nor is mentioned. The battle also seemed to be fought over suspicion and ownership of the light (Lux) the wielder factions were collecting. It honestly feels like there will be some twist in that regard in either KH3 or the mobile game later on but that's another issue.