Wait... Wait, if Sora was a heartless in KH1, what the fuck was that when he became a heartless and Kairi restored his heart.... Wait, what?
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KHIII is almost here! In this thread we ask and answer questions about the series' plot.
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Theory goes that Kairi gave him a shell basically to live in from her powers of being a princess of light while he still was a heartless. So he is basically Ansem SoD in terms of living. Until roxas rejoins his body
I didn't know there were missing details. I'm sorry about that. I know he said he ignored the story of the Disney Worlds but that's about it.
I'll start Union Cross to get the full picture myself then.
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I completely forgot about that lmao.
Though it makes me question even more if it is in the real world or if it was just some non-canon fun.
I'm playing through the games again at the moment, I just finished Chain Of Memories (which I barely remember from the only time I played it in like 2007) and I have a question about something that I probably just totally missed.
Was the "Castle Oblivion Operation" just to turn Sora into a puppet? Or was that just what Marluxia wanted to do? I know Axel was sent there to deal with traitors but what was Org XIII's actual goal at Castle Oblivion?
Org. 13 needed a new hideout and Castle Oblivion was considered a good place for that.
There is more but this will be explained in the other games.
I guess that's pretty logical, however their TWTNW hideout is infinitely cooler. I assume at some point in 3 there'll be some link to Ventus but I've got a fair few games to replay before then. Thank you!
The Organization had a few missions while at Castle Oblivion. They don't really state how much forethought they put into brainwashing Sora, but once they had Namine it became the major goal for them. Marluxia was in charge at Castle Oblivion, and his main focus was the Sora mission. Secondly, Vexen was there to create replicas, in case the brainwashing project failed, or Roxas decided to run off. Finally, they were to search the entire place for Ventus' resting place, although they imply that only Axel was in on this plan, and he didn't even know exactly what they were searching for.
Oh man, I just started my KH marathon to try and remember everything. I'm 9 hours into 1.5 now, so I have a long way to go.
This and the fact that the mobile game introduced some important plot points could give us another perspective on the whole Castle Oblivion thing.
That video helped me a lot, I was super confused and thought there were at least 2 keyblade wars, it wouldn't be that hard to follow if the story wasn't spread in between like 50 or more missions each.
I wonder is Daybreak Town, Land of Departure and Scala ad Caelum have anything in common or even if they are the same place.
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What does Unchained Chi have to do with Castle Oblivion? Or are you referring to Ven?
They were honestly working towards their goals, because it still gave them a lot of what they wanted. It's just that failures of those plans automatically led to the next ones, leading to the final proper scheme in KH3.
They're just pulled from time before their demise. There are members who aren't time-travelling though. Xehanort puts a piece of his heart inside of them to control them.
Everyone was concerned when they realised Xehanort was on the island at the start of the KH1 because it meant all the Xehanorts could meet up there and follow Sora/Riku into their exam to hijack it. It's actually one of the more clever twists IMO.
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And guys, Sora wasn't still a Heartless between 1 and 2, he was just a walking heart without a body. That doesn't make him a Heartless.
What makes this distinction? What does it mean that he "didn't have a body"? I feel like if I understand this side of things about 80% of my questions for this series make sense
Thanks for the handy recap. Even though I have played all the KH games besides the 3DS one, I have all bug forgotten most things like character involvements etc and only remember the overall arc a bit.
I still don't get why the young Xehanort is in DDD, anyone can explain to me that? I mean, I understand that the organization XIII is basically a mean for xehanort to get his 13 warriors of darkness to enact the keyblade war and he cheated by making them all be him in the end, but what about that young xehanort? why was he there why how?
I'm talking about Union Cross.
It seems that not only Xemnas had a personal interest in finding Ventus inside Castle Oblivion but Marluxia too because they were both Union leaders. Marluxias true intentions are still unknown.
I may be wrong but I think Young Xehanort is the one who can actually time travel, gifted by his older self.
I'd say maybe watch the cutscenes from Dream Drop Distance's final world on YouTube, but yeah, 1, 2 and Birth by Sleep make up the absolute bare minimum one would need for context going into 3.
Their true goal in Castle Oblivion is to find the room where Ventus is Sleeping (Chamber of Waking). They know it exist, but they don't know how to acces it. They probably know that Ventus is there. That's why in 0.2 Terra tells Aqua that Xehanort is trying to find Ventus. Remember 0.2 happens at the same time as KH1.
I'm just accepting there'll probably be some stuff I need to google or ask about in the OT on Era.
When he freed Kairi's heart in KH1, he ultimately had to release his own and that caused him to become a Heartless. For some reason, whether it be his strength or the method in which his heart was lost, Sora retained some sense of self. He made his way back to Kairi and her pure heart of light seemed to have "fixed" him.
The thing is that Sora had a Nobody (Roxas) since he was a strong enough person. Roxas, despite looking like Ventus, was using Sora's body.
So technically, despite looking completely normal, Sora did not have his actual body until he rejoined with Roxas.
Sora and Xehanort both seem to be very good at causing anomalies in the rules of the universe.
If Xehanort needed a bunch of soulless bodies to horcrux his heart into, why didn't he just use clones/replicas?
I meant Union Cross my bad. I'm up to date with Global and I follow the story as far as Japan goes. I just didn't see any hint that Lauraim had a specific interest in Ventus, so I'm assuming that's more speculation on you're part, but an interesting point indeed. Though I question how he would know where Ventus's body was so many years into the future. Though I guess there's still a lot about Lauraim we still do not know as that plotline is ongoing.
There isn't any hint at that, to be honest. We have no idea how any of it fits together and people are just inserting their own ideas.
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Both replicas we've seen (Xion and Riku) were faulty as fuck in Xehanort's eyes.
He probably didn't want to use more replicas than necessary
I mean, it's speculation but it's at least obvious that this is no coincidence. This storyline will definitely be expanded in the future.
Yeah that's what I figured about several people in this thread. Almost feels like the blind leading the blind in some aspects haha. Lot of theories or strong assumptions, but in the end there's a lot that either hasn't been explained well or we simply don't know yet. It's only natural when there's some gaps that have yet to be filled, but it only gets more confusing when people pose their speculation as fact.
its clear from the KH3 trailer that he has intentions of his own and we will probably find out.
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If you play just the story on low/mid difficulty daily you might finish in time before KH3 releases
If you go by How Long to Beat:
KH1: 27 hours
CoM: 23 hours
KH2: 32 hours
BBS: ~30 hours
3D: 23 hours
Xehanort had a backup plan to fill the remaining 13 slots in his lineup: go back in time to gather all his various vessels throughout history and bring them forward to the final confrontation.
Young Xehanort is the "earliest" Xehanort, and the one who ends up gathering the other defeated vessels.
It's not like those 10 year olds (or really anybody for that matter) are going to be psychoanalyzing the game or throwing a fit if they don't understand each and every little detail. I'm sure they'd be more than capable of just enjoying the fun gameplay and amazing worlds with all of their favorite characters.
Skip KH1 and CoM.First one is basically unessential to the overall plot and aged horribly and CoM has weird gameplay that makes it hard to go back to.
... maybe he already did. Vexen seems to be one of the 13 now, and at least one member (possibly two) seem to have returned from certain oblivion no worse for wear.
Could be wrong, but think of it like this. Terranort lost his heart and became a heartless (Ansem SoD) without losing his mind and somehow kept a human form (Xehanort knows how the heart works and is strong or some garbage). His actual "body" became Xemnas. Sora became a heartless but didn't fully lose himself. He made his way to Kairi and because she's pure of heart, she was able to purify Sora, free his heart from the darkness, and give him a form. His actual "body" is used by Roxas, which ended up looking like Ventus strictly because Sora was housing his heart while he sleeps. Ventus had influence on his appearance, but its still Sora's "body". So Ansem Seeker of Darkness and Sora are 2 of 3 outcomes of losing your heart. You can become a heartless with free will and a form, or be lucky enough for a Princess of Heart to "purify" you and you just exist as normal (minus not actually having your body).
In KH you have 3 parts. Heart, Body, and Soul. The 3rd one rarely ever gets brought up. Nobodies are the Body and Soul of someone who's lost their Heart. Sora lost his Heart, but was able to come back minus the Body and Soul (Roxas has those 2 parts).
Its kinda dumb, and Im probably writing up way more than you were wondering. But basically when someone says Sora didn't have a Body between KH1 and 2, they basically mean that Roxas has his Body, and he can't have 2 bodies, so he's just a heart with a form that looks liek his original self. Sora is literally the only 1 like this in the series.
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Typically how KH games work is that there is a bit at the beginning of the game related to the overall plot, then the next 90% of the game is just Disney stuff with only a little KH stuff sprinkled in, then finally the last world or so is the big grandiose ending world. You can play pretty much the whole game just enjoying the Disney stuff, and then not understand the ending.
Oh yeah big question that I never understood:
So in KH 3D we get the reveal that Nobodies actually could grow back hearts and Xehanort was bullshitting them with the thing about them not being able to feel.
1) Did that version of Xehanort know that or did he trick himself? Because he uh seemed to monologue about getting a heart once in a while.
2) So what's the downside of being a Nobody? You get sick magical powers, have feelings, and presumably never age(not super clear since Axel aged, some others didn't?)
3) So biggest one here: how the fuck did Xehanort trick people into thinking they had no hearts? "Mate, you can't feel shit."
"What do you mean I can't--"
"You can't feel SHIT you need me to feel shit."
[Speech 100]
"I believe you, I can't feel shit."
So in KH 3D we get the reveal that Nobodies actually could grow back hearts and Xehanort was bullshitting them with the thing about them not being able to feel.
1) Did that version of Xehanort know that or did he trick himself? Because he uh seemed to monologue about getting a heart once in a while.
2) So what's the downside of being a Nobody? You get sick magical powers, have feelings, and presumably never age(not super clear since Axel aged, some others didn't?)
3) So biggest one here: how the fuck did Xehanort trick people into thinking they had no hearts? "Mate, you can't feel shit."
"What do you mean I can't--"
"You can't feel SHIT you need me to feel shit."
[Speech 100]
"I believe you, I can't feel shit."
Why are marluxia and larxene norted? Didn't they try to betray the previous organization? Why would they be proper candidates to be a part of the organization once again?
I don't think Xemnas was originally written with that knowledge in mind. But it's weird because they were dropping hints that Roxas had a heart from KHII on. In my mind, I've concluded that in the current canon, we're to understand that he was just really dedicated to the con.
The series makes a big deal about "connections," both between worlds and between people. This sometimes gets expressed in the story ("my friends are my power"), and sometimes in the game mechanics (D-Links, Roxas's Oathkeeper/Oblivion keyblades, etc.). They're also present simply in the feelings characters have for other characters.
Nobodies seem to have lost these connections (or at least the ability to fully tap into them), even if they remember having them. When DDD talks about Nobodies actually having hearts, it's because they've created new connections to replace the old ones. That's why the story seems to be dangling the idea about Roxas becoming his own person. He is connected to others in ways that Sora and Ventus aren't.
See above. Nobodies had to basically redevelop their sense of self and their relationships to the world and people around them. Xemnas's goal was to have the Organization members shape themselves around Xehanort's goals so they could be good candidates for Xehanort vessels.
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