This sucks. Let kids be kids. This policy just removes all agency. I wonder if these kinds of policies will have long term detrimental effects on these kids.
Honestly this looks worse than it is. An optional school dance where kids can hopefully become more confident and make new friends. It's also only line dancing, not like prom.
I can also see how others would think it's too far.
But some are comparing it to rape culture... C'mon that's being really disingenuous.
And if your daughter comes home crying because no one in the class is including her in the dances?
Youll probably sue for that too.
Not just comedians but this is basically breeding literal snowflakes, kids who can't take no for an answer grow up being the worst fuckers of them all.Crashing and burning gives your character. With as charmin soft as we treat kids these days the next generation of comedians is going to suuuuuuck.
Why would I sue when disappointment is a part of life. No participation trophies. Kids need to learn to take an L. My kid ain't no exception. Nice try though.
Not just comedians but this is basically breeding literal snowflakes, kids who can't take no for an answer grow up being the worst fuckers of them all.
I don't give a fuck what the permission slip says. My kid is not going to be forced to dance with anyone she doesn't want to.
That's an easy lawsuit. FOH. Some of the bullshit people will defend is astounding. Can't get a girl to dance with you? That's your problem. Step your game up. Fuck a rule so mofos with weak game don't feel bad. Gotta learn.
Not just comedians but this is basically breeding literal snowflakes, kids who can't take no for an answer grow up being the worst fuckers of them all.
This is so much different than dancing. Dancing is intimate. Balling ain't.
There's a difference between going alone to the front of the class to do a math problem and insisting that someone is allowed to enter your personal space just because they asked. That's Consent 101.Again, we are talking about elementary school. Where you have to ask permission to use the bathroom and can be told no.
You don't have free agency in elementary school,
"joey, come up to the front and do this math problem on the board"
"No"
"Joey, you have to do it"
"I DO NOT CONSENT"
Thats how you get sent to the principal.
Some of you sickos need to get your minds out of the gutter. If rape is the first thing that comes to mind when you're reading about 10 year olds line dancing, then maybe youre the problem.
An easy lawsuit? Is this serious? On what basis? Emotional harm from dancing with someone you don't like?
Elementary school dances are not that big a deal, fellas.
This is Weber County, Utah, where this takes place. I have friends that live here and it's freakin gorgeous.
Schools have been sued and settled for less.
And you're right. School dances aren't a big deal. No need for some mandatory policy like this.
There's a difference between going alone to the front of the class to do a math problem and insisting that someone is allowed to enter your personal space just because they asked. That's Consent 101.
I mean, you can sue anyone for anything, but you'd get laughed out of court for this.
No need for a mandatory policy, but no need to get outraged about it either.
I'm not outraged. Just expressing disagreement on a discussion board. There's a clear difference.
And like I said, it wouldn't make it to court. Schools have settled for far less.
Errrrr schools ask this all the time.There's a difference between going alone to the front of the class to do a math problem and insisting that someone is allowed to enter your personal space just because they asked. That's Consent 101.
Things I Made Up for $1,200, Alex.I'm not outraged. Just expressing disagreement on a discussion board. There's a clear difference.
And like I said, it wouldn't make it to court. Schools have settled for far less.
There is a difference between disagreement and outrage, and raving about how you'd sue sounds a lot like outrage.
Maybe some school somewhere at some point settled over something as trivial as this, but I suspect that's tales from your ass.
Maybe not to us, but to a kid it is. It wouldn't be an immediate problem, but down the line as the kid gets older, it will be.Depends on the dance. There's nothing intimate about line dancing.
Huh?Maybe not to us, but to a kid it is. It wouldn't be an immediate problem, but down the line as the kid gets older, it will be.
Maybe not to us, but to a kid it is. It wouldn't be an immediate problem, but down the line as the kid gets older, it will be.
At this point you're being pedantic. You don't like my opinion. That's fine. I stand by it. Nothing you've said is changing my mind.
And you have the nerve to claim Im the one acting outraged. Go look in a mirror before you bother replying to me again.
The dance is voluntary. The students are told beforehand what would happen, the parents even sign the permission form. All parties involved understand the rules.If you don't think being told your physical comfort level is less important than being polite to someone/making them happy contributes to rape culture, then you probably don't have to worry about rape culture. I know my worry and panic at saying "no" to people didn't just spring into existence as an adult. It happened because at every stage of my life, I was expected to be polite, nice, and to ignore my own feelings of discomfort to make other people happy. And to be quiet and not cause a fuss. Society as a whole encourages this. It's not just one dance; it's a dance that falls directly in line with how women are taught to behave from a very young age. I definitely think it's concerning that boys have to say yes too, because this shit sticks with you. You are learning and your brain is growing at this age. There's a reason things that happen to us young tend to influence our behaviors for most of our lives.
I think inclusiveness is a great goal, but this isn't how you do it, imo.
Gotta love when the first defense for something is "well we've been doing this for a long time".
...So?
You sound like a lunatic helicopter parent. "Nobody's making MY daughter dance with someone she doesn't like! I'll sue!!!"
Get over yourself.
I don't know what kind of dancing you think these kids are doing but they'll almost certainly touch each other less than playing basketball.This is so much different than dancing. Dancing is intimate. Balling ain't.
The dance is voluntary. The students are told beforehand what would happen, the parents even sign the permission form. All parties involved understand the rules.
Concerned that parents weren't aware of the policy, Richard told FOX 13 she recommended the principal send out a permission slip detailing the instructions given to students, and he agreed, Richard said.
You sound like someone that can't stand that someone has a different opinion.
Learn how to disagree without being obnoxious about it. You can discuss your different views without being hostile to someone. Also, you seem to be the outraged one.
Seems fine. I doubt this will lead boys or anyone to become rapists. It's a voluntary dance.
Homecoming, prom, etc are all voluntary too, but kids go because it's a social thing, and there is social pressure. Also, some kids do just want to have fun and either dance on their own, or only with people they choose. So, if you don't want to have to say yes to someone, you can't go to the dance? What if you're a kid and you have a kid bullying you, and said kid will be at the dance? Now you either can't go because your harasser is there, or you have to -hope- a teacher will take you seriously when you say a kid has been bullying you. I used to have to hide on the playground as a kid, because another kid chased me around trying to kiss me. You can bet your ass if we were both at a dance that he would have written my name down.
Also:
He agreed that there should be a permission slip, but it doesn't seem like there actually is one. Maybe there will be in the future.
They can still say no at homecoming, prom, etc. They can also not go to those due to social pressures.Homecoming, prom, etc are all voluntary too, but kids go because it's a social thing, and there is social pressure. Also, some kids do just want to have fun and either dance on their own, or only with people they choose. So, if you don't want to have to say yes to someone, you can't go to the dance? What if you're a kid and you have a kid bullying you, and said kid will be at the dance? Now you either can't go because your harasser is there, or you have to -hope- a teacher will take you seriously when you say a kid has been bullying you. I used to have to hide on the playground as a kid, because another kid chased me around trying to kiss me. You can bet your ass if we were both at a dance that he would have written my name down.
Also:
He agreed that there should be a permission slip, but it doesn't seem like there actually is one. Maybe there will be in the future.
Huh?
This 1 dance isn't going to shape the rest of their lives.
What problems do you foresee coming from dancing with 5 people during an optional school dance once when you were 11?
Let me put it in ways you'll all understand:I don't know what kind of dancing you think these kids are doing but they'll almost certainly touch each other less than playing basketball.
Again, I think some of you are misconstruing what this dance is. It's not like prom or homecoming, where you are given free range to show up with a date, or no date, dance, or not dance. This appears to be an event where the kids choose to attend, learn different dances at school, then do them at the event. You aren't allowed to dance with someone more than once and you are supposed to put down on a card kids you want to dance with. I don't think you are meant to go and then not dance. It almost strikes me more as like a play or something, where you rehearse ahead of time then do the performance at a scheduled time. It also doesn't strike me as the social event of the year, since they are doing things like line dancing.
But admittedly I don't have all the details.
You're welcome to your opinion. But if you make false claims don't get angry when people point it out.
You sound like a lunatic helicopter parent. "Nobody's making MY daughter dance with someone she doesn't like! I'll sue!!!"
Get over yourself.
Why do you want to force young kids to dance with other kids they don't like?
Its weird
I mean, you can sue anyone for anything, but you'd get laughed out of court for this.
No need for a mandatory policy, but no need to get outraged about it either.