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iliketopaint_93

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I mean yeah, at it's best it's "That is what she said" level, so it is weird to give people credit for something so hacky and meant to poke fun at legitimate issues

He's not using it like the conservative "comedians" are - the title of his show is a subversion of that, basic though it may be. Also Mike is actually funny and has an interesting perspective.
 
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AnansiThePersona

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I'm 2/3rds of the way done with the first episode. It's not bad. Be interesting to see the topics he touches upon in the future.
 

brainchild

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Ok, episode 3 is actually really interesting and it got me thinking about legitimate entrepreneurial opportunities for gang members as an alternative to their current aspirations. Very, very cool episode.
 

F2BBm3ga

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Its pretty good so far. But I call bullshit on him not eating and drinking that whole time until he found that farm. I know what its like to starve almost a whole evening and day and when you finally approach food you are about to eat, you act way different than he did when he approached the food he was about to eat.
 

HustleBun

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I rolled my eyes hard at the title.

...but I'm actually hearing a lot of good things about this from people who had the same reaction that I did. It sounds like he's trying to open up a lot of important conversations and encourage positive change. Looking forward to watching this later.
 

Tomohawk

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But I'm black. Mike was an avid supporter of a tone deaf politician who dismissed the black vote and has a history of problematic responses when taken to task about the black agenda and how little importance it seemingly has within his platform.
Bernie has made tone deaf remark, but his policy positions are actually good. Organizations like NAACP have rated him well through out his career and he has talked about the intersectionality of race and class for ages. You cant reduce a decades long political career into a few statements and say PoCs shouldnt be associating with him.
 

D i Z

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Mike didn't apologize for shit. In fact his response was more like fuck you, got mine. All that shit he talked and when the waters got hot he basically said he's paid and he's no longer taking questions. Fuck off. His kid got the message though. Ain't heard a peep.
 

Biggersmaller

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Overall this is really good. Though, Mike telling that kid he will never be president made me cringe. It wasn't funny or particularly astute in making a point. So far the low point of the show.

Also, that Figgers F1 phone is still made in china

Sure. And the bikes, bus, and many other items he used weren't black made, either. I wouldn't take that "experiement" as anything other than an entertaining way to package interviews with black business owners.
 

F2BBm3ga

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Oct 25, 2017
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Episode 3 is amazing

Overall this is really good. Though, Mike telling that kid he will never be president made me cringe. It wasn't funny or particularly astute in making a point. So far the low point of the show.



Sure. And the bikes, bus, and many other items he used weren't black made, either. I wouldn't take that "experiement" as anything other than an entertaining way to package interviews with black business owners.

Oh I got the whole point and message. It was still kinda contradictive. Because he wouldnt drive a car or take a uber since they arent cars made by black people and he wouldnt drink or eat food if it didnt come from a black source. But this phone made in china tho. Just pointing out the contradiction.
 

Sintax

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Bernie has made tone deaf remark, but his policy positions are actually good. Organizations like NAACP have rated him well through out his career and he has talked about the intersectionality of race and class for ages. You cant reduce a decades long political career into a few statements and say PoCs shouldnt be associating with him.

Bernie brushed aside the idea that reparations are feasible. He believes economic justice will lead to racial justice, acting as if they're one and the same. His grasp of the issues facing black America is weak and borders on patronizing, offering very little incentive for black people to vote for him.
 

TheIlliterati

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I think the first two episodes of this were good, the first one especially. It won't happen, but I like his call for a "Black Friday".
 

Tomohawk

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Bernie brushed aside the idea that reparations are feasible. He believes economic justice will lead to racial justice, acting as if they're one and the same. His grasp of the issues facing black America is weak and borders on patronizing, offering very little incentive for black people to vote for him.
Correct me if I'm wrong reperations as a position is unpopular inside and outside the democratic party. Obama even dismissed it. If the extent of your policy priorities is reperations i dont know what to say. During his campaign and after he talked about the broken criminal justice system, american imperialism, reperesentation etc. Which is why people like killer mike whose a fan of the panthers supports Sanders.
 

GamerJM

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I'm trying to figure out right now why nobody ITT seems to realize Mike is making fun of conservatives who say "triggered" and "trigger warning" via the title of his show.

I figured this is what it was having read the description, but it's just bizarre because originally the conservatives using it were making fun of "campus leftists" or whatever. Its usage here is an ironic usage of an ironic usage making it basically circle back to its original meaning. It's just a weird word to use in general now because it feels like it's become so perverted from its original meaning that it doesn't really mean anything anymore.
 

7threst

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I absolutely love this. Every epsiode up to what I've seen take weird twists that actually help m,e to see certain things in a different way. It's fun and an out of the box way in questioning as[ects of our society.
 

Commedieu

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He finally came to his senses.
He is very much militant about minorities using their rights. That passion clouded his mind, plus fame means u have a skewed view of criticism.

99% of what he speaks is truth. The nra moment wont be forgotten, but i can forgive him. They do a lot of out reach. It was a blindspot.

Fool me once and that.
 

Zombine

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I think what I enjoy about it is that he has a very strong core idea, then he goes "full Killer Mike" about it, has fun with it, then goes "ok so my crazy idea is super extreme but here's what can be done." It's pretty fuckin' admirable if you ask me.
 

Maneil99

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Bernie brushed aside the idea that reparations are feasible. He believes economic justice will lead to racial justice, acting as if they're one and the same. His grasp of the issues facing black America is weak and borders on patronizing, offering very little incentive for black people to vote for him.
Reperations aren't going to happen. And economic justice will help black people and other PoC far more then poor white people. The system is fuck, thats why it allows us PoC to fail so easy. If that isn't enough reason to vote for him over the same old shit idk.
 

Conciliator

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I watched some of this, it is a bit over-the-top and goofy at times, but it's interesting and funny. Mike has some idiosyncratic views and doesn't always say the right thing but there's a lot to chew on. Also El-p is hilarious

Its pretty good so far. But I call bullshit on him not eating and drinking that whole time until he found that farm. I know what its like to starve almost a whole evening and day and when you finally approach food you are about to eat, you act way different than he did when he approached the food he was about to eat.

lol yeah I know for a fact Mike did not go 24+ hours without eating anything
 

brainchild

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I'm all for people disparaging Bernie for his tone deaf comments, but trying to disparage PoC for supporting him is not gonna fly. Black people are not a monolith and if you think that telling a PoC that supporting him is going against their own interests then you're just as tone deaf as he is and need to shut the fuck up.
 

Sintax

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Reperations aren't going to happen. And economic justice will help black people and other PoC far more then poor white people. The system is fuck, thats why it allows us PoC to fail so easy. If that isn't enough reason to vote for him over the same old shit idk.

Reparations for the descendants of slaves must happen, or the black community will never recover from the generational theft it suffered under slavery and Jim Crow. Any politician who outright dismisses it as impractical and unworthy of even scant consideration is not a friend of black people and, thus, should not expect to win their electoral support. Also, what good will "economic justice" do for black people who are still subject to various forms of discrimination that aren't economically based?
 

brainchild

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Reparations for the descendants of slaves must happen, or the black community will never recover from the generational theft it suffered under slavery and Jim Crow. Any politician who outright dismisses it as impractical and unworthy of even scant consideration is not a friend of black people and, thus, should not expect to win their electoral support. Also, what good will "economic justice" do for black people who are still subject to various forms of discrimination that aren't economically based?

I'm black, and I disagree with you. If anything, you're the one who seems naive, and I'd be unlikely to support a politician who was incapable of acknowledging the impracticality for implementing the ideas that you espouse.
 

Maneil99

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Reparations for the descendants of slaves must happen, or the black community will never recover from the generational theft it suffered under slavery and Jim Crow. Any politician who outright dismisses it as impractical and unworthy of even scant consideration is not a friend of black people and, thus, should not expect to win their electoral support. Also, what good will "economic justice" do for black people who are still subject to various forms of discrimination that aren't economically based?
Lol and how do you expect that to happen. Jesus. Who'd you vote for in 2016? 2012? 2008? Who on the left is for reparations up for election?

The best way to help PoC rebuild is economic reform and socialist policies.

You're against Bernie because he is for economic justice yet you want a candidate that is for repetitions?
 
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7threst

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Watching all the episodes, it's quite interesting how he is able to get all the people throughout the episodes together. That said, it feels awfully staged.
 

brainchild

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Lol and how do you expect that to happen. Jesus. Who'd you vote for in 2016? 2012? 2008? Who on the left is for reparations up for election?

The best way to help PoC rebuild is economic reform and socialist policies.

That poster is living in their own bubble of reality and I'm glad that no viable Dem in office is naive enough to go down that route.
 

Maneil99

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It's a matter of time.
Reparations will never make sense to me. What good has it done for the native community? Rich black families are still treated like shot. A lump sum of money will only divide the black community even further. Not saying that AOC plans a lump sum. It's just never helped any group that's got it as intended. People are still going to hate black people. It's just going to be even worse after. That's not even going into tracing slavery through generations. Or the white people with whatever tiny percent of blood in them
 

sphagnum

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Reparations will never make sense to me. What good has it done for the native community? Rich black families are still treated like shot. A lump sum of money will only divide the black community even further. Not saying that AOC plans a lump sum. It's just never helped any group that's got it as intended. People are still going to hate black people. It's just going to be even worse after. That's not even going into tracing slavery through generations. Or the white people with whatever tiny percent of blood in them

I think this might have been in response to my initial post which linked to a tweet where AOC said "explore reparations", but I changed it because in context it seemed like she was maybe talking about marijuana.

But either way, I'm also not a big fan of a one shot lump sum or something like that because I think that undersells the scope of the problem and also gives white supremacists an easy out ("we gave them our tax money, what more do they want?!"). But considering the US did give Japanese-Americans reparations for the internment I think it's hypocritical not to do the same for black Americans.
 

Maneil99

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I think this might have been in response to my initial post which linked to a tweet where AOC said "explore reparations", but I changed it because in context it seemed like she was maybe talking about marijuana.

But either way, I'm also not a big fan of a one shot lump sum or something like that because I think that undersells the scope of the problem and also gives white supremacists an easy out ("we gave them our tax money, what more do they want?!"). But considering the US did give Japanese-Americans reparations for the internment I think it's hypocritical not to do the same for black Americans.
I'm for Black Americans getting assistance/help. I just don't see a way to put that through the US government / election. A socialist program that helps low/middle class Americans would likely close the wealth gap and be a lot easier to push. If they were to help just black Americans I think a mortgage/rent repayment, child care reimbursement and educational grants/ loan forgiveness is the way to build a reparation proposal. With lesser versions of each of those for all middle/lower class Americans
 

brainchild

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It's a matter of time. I firmly believe that as Congress gets more diverse, someone will eventually make a push for it.

It's a slippery slope is what it is, particularly with respect to exactly who qualifies for reparations. We didn't have the luxury of having meticulously detailed records of our lineage/generations, so going the descendant route will be nearly impossible. Providing reparations to all black people as an alternative would not work either, unless you're drawing a hard line on 'blackness', so even before you get into the financial/legal feasibility, the logistics alone would be a nightmare.
 

Mammoth Jones

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Reparations for the descendants of slaves must happen, or the black community will never recover from the generational theft it suffered under slavery and Jim Crow. Any politician who outright dismisses it as impractical and unworthy of even scant consideration is not a friend of black people and, thus, should not expect to win their electoral support. Also, what good will "economic justice" do for black people who are still subject to various forms of discrimination that aren't economically based?

What good are reparations without a viable self-sustained economic base? It'd be nothing but a stimulus package for non-black businesses....

That being said reparations should happen, sure. They're not and I'm not going to waste my time begging for them. We will be here waiting forever if we wait on that.
 

Sintax

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Lol and how do you expect that to happen. Jesus.
Well, first and foremost, politicians who are honest about their desire to address systemic racism must treat the issue seriously and be an audience to comprehensive solutions framed around its implementation. Acting as if its impractical and dismissing the thought of reparations outright is not a way you endear yourself to a community still suffering from the vestigial impact of centuries long racism that has left its economic standing at zero.

Who'd you vote for in 2016? 2012? 2008? Who on the left is for reparations up for election?

Who I voted for isn't relevant, since this discussion centers around Bernie's dismissal of a mere discussion about its feasibility. The only member of the Democratic party who tried to address reparations was John Conyers, whose annual introduction of legislation meant to make reparations policy ended with the #metoo movement.

The best way to help PoC rebuild is economic reform and socialist policies.

Black people and POC are not the same thing. Black people are victims of a very specific and unique system of racism, one rooted in the system of slavery, that does not impact other non-white minorities in America.

I'm black, and I disagree with you. If anything, you're the one who seems naive, and I'd be unlikely to support a politician who was incapable of acknowledging the impracticality for implementing the ideas that you espouse.

I'm sure there was a time when one might have called abolitionists naive, too. Idealism and naivete are not synonymous. However remote the possibility of policy that makes reparations to the descendants of African slaves a reality, there is still no harm in attempting to push it to fruition, unless opponents of it have another reason for their dismissal of its practicality.

What good are reparations without a viable self-sustained economic base? It'd be nothing but a stimulus package for non-black businesses....

Or, just maybe, it would stimulate the creation of a black economic base in which black businesses flourish. To say that reparations would automatically be transferred into the pockets of non-black business owners, without any way of corroborating that claim, is a very broad assumption to make.
 
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Gaf Zombie

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Just watched episode 3 (while high).



This is one of the most amazing things I have ever watched in my life.
 

OwensboroEsq

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Episode 3..... Man.... That's freaking great. Skip 1 and 2, go directly to 3. I thought I was out by ep2. Glad I watched one more. That focus group scene is gold.
 
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The conversation on Killer Mike is annoyingly reductive. This ideal on the internet that all humans need to be above reproach in every facet of their public lives lest they be deleted from public conversation is asinine.

As for the show, hilarious. Killer Mike definitely does not have all the answers (no one does) but his ideas are presented in a humorous way that drives the point home.

Also, that porn trade education video has legs. There's money there surely.