Good post.
A solution without the USA in the equation won't work for the North-Korean problem imo, especially knowing the history of that region. This is a big step imo but yes Trump could always f it up...
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Kim-Trump Summit Thread - Fire and Fury Edition
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A solution without the USA in the equation won't work for the North-Korean problem imo, especially knowing the history of that region. This is a big step imo but yes Trump could always f it up...
What I was trying to say was, just how hard it is for me to understand that all it took to convince a well read, well educated, violent dictator, was to make him think how much better it would be to invest in real estate as opposed to war games.
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Kim did sign a document committing to denuclearization but this is a step to further meetings possibly at the White House or Pyongyang. That is unclear as of now.
And people who are praying things go back to "normal" so they can continue sitting on their asses instead of working toward building a better world continue to lap it up.
Eh all NK experts agree that sanctions are biting hard. Of course there is smuggling trade with China, and other activity but sanctions have been hitting hard for years and they want to get rid of that. That's the whole reason they went along quite quickly with a meeting like this.
That's not what is happening. People want the situation to improve, but that doesn't happen if we just give the man what he wants and make no demands of any kind.
Right now, there are no clear steps...
No timelines...
No oversight...
There is no cost to NK in order to have his regime normalized and given legitimacy. None. He signed an empty, hollow agreement filled with platitudes.
A brutal dictator running one of the most oppressive regimes (if not the most) on Earth is now being normalized by your president as a great guy beloved by his people. While the leader of Canada is vilified for...defending his country against sudden aggressive tariffs?
I wasn't saying to give him what he wants. Quite the opposite in fact. I'm talking about people praising this when it accomplishes nothing.
Holy shit @ announcing the end of joint military exercises without having the military onboard. It's been said before, but he's running the country as if it was one of his shitty businesses - encouraging conflict among advisers and staff, making decisions without consultation and on the spur of the moment, refusing to take advice unless it echoes what he's already thinking etc. - and it's absolutely fucking insane.
You're comparing a completed deal to an agreement to keep talking.
Holy fucking shit this propaganda is borrowing into people's heads and assuming direct control.
We have have lobotomized ourselves as a country. Moderates are so desperate for the appearance of normalcy and some perverse wax museum abomination of 'progress' that even this pantomime is enough of a hit to remove critical thought.
We have have lobotomized ourselves as a country. Moderates are so desperate for the appearance of normalcy and some perverse wax museum abomination of 'progress' that even this pantomime is enough of a hit to remove critical thought.
People will defend Trump on this and we as a nation will sink even lower.
Half of America will be defending KJU
the Trump defense force is quite disturbing, especially 2 days after the G7
Because they've been a troll from the old site. Ignore the drive-by from people whose entire political philosophy has been lifted from Reddit threads
That's not defending Trump. It's using common sense. Comparing the finished Iran deal to what was signed yesterday is silly.
Trump wants to emulate Kim Jong-Un to gain "popularity" in the US. That's the "talent" referred to. If I were you America I'd start packing a bag and get to Canada or Mexico as soon as fucking possible.
Yes, but Trump's unwillingness to hold to completed, internationally accepted deals is a poor sign of his ability to make them.
there is no common sense with Trump because he's not a man of his word , neither is Kim
Conservatives bashed the Iran deal and that had actual plans out in place to prevent a nuclearized Iran and they had passed IEAE inspections 11 times and had dropped uranium enrichment by 90%. But somehow that was a bad deal and this non deal is a great deal? Huh?
Nothing concrete has been put in place and with an understaffed State Department which leads to lack of diplomacy. I am not seeing anything concrete just a lot of bravado and bluster, which is typical of Trump. Trump could do anything and they would applaud.
I voted for Obama but I still disagreed with him at times and wish he was more progressively minded, although difficult with an obstructionist Congress. My point is I do not rally around Dear leader like some kind of simplistic drone. I question things and hope the president or any politician represents the ideals I believe in and if they don't I stay proactive and try to make my voice heard.
I will never understand Trump supporters inability to hold someone they elected, feet to the fire. Hell they ignore all the environmental protections Trump,Pruitt, and the GOP are eroding away which will greatly impact their health and especially their children's health.
Nothing concrete has been put in place and with an understaffed State Department which leads to lack of diplomacy. I am not seeing anything concrete just a lot of bravado and bluster, which is typical of Trump. Trump could do anything and they would applaud.
I voted for Obama but I still disagreed with him at times and wish he was more progressively minded, although difficult with an obstructionist Congress. My point is I do not rally around Dear leader like some kind of simplistic drone. I question things and hope the president or any politician represents the ideals I believe in and if they don't I stay proactive and try to make my voice heard.
I will never understand Trump supporters inability to hold someone they elected, feet to the fire. Hell they ignore all the environmental protections Trump,Pruitt, and the GOP are eroding away which will greatly impact their health and especially their children's health.
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Yea this is going to crush trump. Should be an easy attack point for democrats
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I don't think this is the last we will see of Kim before 2020. There's atleast the possibility of either a White House visit or Pyongyang visit that Trump will use to show "diplomacy" and "process" moving forward under him.
It's nothing to do with how good a deal it is. Trump is such an egomaniac that he just wants to undo anything that Obama achieved.
My bet is that he is only doing all of this is because he has some wild goal of obtaining a Nobel Peace Prize.
I think I might just shut myself down as far as news goes this week. I have Elder Scrolls online coming tomorrow so I could drown myself in that.
Because I do not need this level of depressing bullshit added to my mind at this point. One look at social media is all I needed. Trump shitbags are hoisting this debacle as a victory and the rest of humanity is gaping in dumbstruck awe the sheer lack of cognitive thought involved.
Because I do not need this level of depressing bullshit added to my mind at this point. One look at social media is all I needed. Trump shitbags are hoisting this debacle as a victory and the rest of humanity is gaping in dumbstruck awe the sheer lack of cognitive thought involved.
The GOP and conservative media outlets would be clenching so hard they'd crap diamonds.
The Iran deal was literally a thousand times better than this turd is shaping up to be. It had actual enforcement and inspections etc. If trump is already canceling military exercises based off a vague agreement then kim has already won.
If the Iran deal was spun as bad then this will be easy fodder.
That's not what he said, he said they will stop joint military exercises with South Korea.
No. Said he would end the war games (exercises) between SK and the US. This was apparently a surprise to SK, and most likely to Mattis as well.
He DID say that he would like to "eventually" pull US troops out of SK.
