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Kinda Funny |OT| A Baker's Dozen!
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That basically it's OK because once at E3 the KF computer broke and he spent 24 hours in the studio trying to fix it. Not at all taking into account he's virtually a founder of the company at this point. And that his wife has done it before at ILM and that they knew what they signing up for.
That was one day... this weeks over a year period. Plus It is well known hollywood treats Visual Effects Artists like shit so that is not a good argument... at all.
I've been a little uncomfortable with their stance on crunch for a while to be honest. Like they all seem broadly against it whenever a new report comes out, but then you look at things like Andy constantly tweeting about working late from home, all of them talking about how much work they do, the amount of events they go to on weekends and stuff and I sort of wonder, how is this different from what video game companies are actually doing?
Like I'm sure Andy, for example, isn't "forced" to work until midnight on a Party Mode edit, but if it doesn't get done presumably he gets the blame for that. That certainly sounds like what happens at Bioware, Telltale, Epic etc. Okay the scale is different because they're a team of like 8 people, but overworking is overworking no matter where it is.
Like I'm sure Andy, for example, isn't "forced" to work until midnight on a Party Mode edit, but if it doesn't get done presumably he gets the blame for that. That certainly sounds like what happens at Bioware, Telltale, Epic etc. Okay the scale is different because they're a team of like 8 people, but overworking is overworking no matter where it is.
Eh....I see it like this
My main GOT podcast is BaldMove networks coverage. But they only have a 20 minute insta-cast, their heavy cast is Tuesday.
KindaFunny is something to listen to on that Monday morning when you want to listen to anyone talk about the show. They are no Boars Gore and Swirds...but they pass the time.
But yeah they need to excuse Nick.
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Yeah, and just to add, it has been theorized the reason Disney is remaking all these movies in Live Action as opposed to doing more animation is because Animators are Unionized and have to be treated well where as Visual Effects artists are not and therefore can be treated horribly. And knowing Disney it's probably accurate.
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https://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/aladdin-writer-unhappy-that-he-was-excluded-and-unpaid-for-disneys-live-action-remake-165286.html
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/01/lion-king-remake-residuals-credits
Here are a couple articles about writers. They won't be paid anything for the live action remakes of their og films.
Also, I hate the argument of "well blah blah blah also has to work long hours." Just becuase one industry treats people horribly does not mean all industries should be treated horribly. How about both VFX and Game Developers are treated well and don't have to work themselves to death?
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/01/lion-king-remake-residuals-credits
Here are a couple articles about writers. They won't be paid anything for the live action remakes of their og films.
Also, I hate the argument of "well blah blah blah also has to work long hours." Just becuase one industry treats people horribly does not mean all industries should be treated horribly. How about both VFX and Game Developers are treated well and don't have to work themselves to death?
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So the Persona 4 Spoilercast is Joey, Barrett and someone from IGN and Gamespot. Am I going mad or was that some sort of stretch goal back in January meant to involve Greg?
It is very odd, and I've noticed this a lot too. Like they make fun of spending so much time working, but then they'll go and make broad statements of these companies incorporating the same type of culture. Maybe some of what they're saying about their work is a bit exaggerated, but still..
Well that's a hard pass. Definitely shouldn't have been a stretch goal.
Damn those Days Gone review scores have kinda bummed me out. My copies arriving today I think so I'm hoping I can enjoy it a bit, even if it's not up to Sony's recent standards.
I wonder if we'll get full impressions on KFGD or wait until GC tomorrow. Really interested to hear what Greg thinks; really seems like his sort of game but clearly it isn't that great.
I wonder if we'll get full impressions on KFGD or wait until GC tomorrow. Really interested to hear what Greg thinks; really seems like his sort of game but clearly it isn't that great.
It doesn't match up with previews but the game never looked that interesting to me so not that surprised. Hopefully you still find some fun in it though.
Yeah I never really thought it looked super interesting, but I was hoping it'd end up being in that Far Cry, 8/10 range. Sort of an enjoyable time waster.
It doesn't seem to reached that but I guess I'll probably play it until I get bored or something else comes along. I wonder if Greg even played more than a few hours given is stance on mediocre games and how there's no time to play them.
wow so are they going to finally talk about performance issues in a videogame ?
gotta listen to this then!
gotta listen to this then!
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Oh, I'm actually surprised to see that.
I expected the usual "well, I'm having fun" response. It'll be interesting to hear what he has to say.
Oh shit.
Also lol at Lucy's response, considering she did the IGN review.
I wonder what the fate of Bend will be after this.
People were only looking forward to this because of Greg being involved.
Also, fucking LOL at people being like "Days Gone is a huge travesty to video games: 7/10". Are review scores that fucked up that a consensus 7/10 game is bad and a disappointment to people? Greg calling Days Gone a disappointment and citing "performance issues" as a reason is a laugh too, considering he handwaved them for Fallout 76.
Slight eh feeling when they downplay Epic Game Store making remarks about pc gaming when they are woefully uneducated about the matter and its effects it has on consumers, and announcing Andrea, Fran, Greg are the one hosting the Borderlands 3 pre and post show on Wednesday. Just feels like as they get more and more involved in the industry they become less willing to call out bad practices or simply handwave it cause it doesn't effect them.
Wait wait wait wait. I'm listening to today's KFGD, and Barrett calls him out on not finishing P5 for the spoilercast, and makes a joke about him "needing" to play Days Gone. Greg then defends himself and says that it was his job to finish Days Gone, but like... shouldn't it be his job to finish P5 for the Spoilercast that all his fans want him on? What kind of sense does that make???
It's not like he's starting from scratch though, he even says he's already put 30 hours into Persona 5, and tbh it can take anywhere from 70 to 100 to beat the story. The point I was trying to get across though was I'm sure he could have made the time to take the extra 40-70 in the 1+year timespan he had if he felt like it was his "job" to do so, but he didn't. And I suppose I don't necessarily understand why he doesn't when their viewers come like 90% from their core fans who have been wanting to hear his opinion on the game, who were then teased about a Spoilercast, and then realized that Greg still hadn't finished the game to be on it.
Even if Greg completely restarted the game and started fresh at the beginning of the year, if he just cut back on playing easy platinum trophy games and six hundred thousand GAAS he would have probably had more than enough time to finish it.
Alternatively, do you guys really want a spoilercast from someone who didn't like the game enough to play even half of it?
Like I know it's Greg and people want his opinions on things but he clearly didn't like that game that much so why would everyone be clamouring to hear what he has to say about it? And if he's forced into finishing it for the purposes of the show, I doubt that'd change his mind much.
To be honest they should have just dropped the whole idea of the P5 spoilercast ages ago.
Like I know it's Greg and people want his opinions on things but he clearly didn't like that game that much so why would everyone be clamouring to hear what he has to say about it? And if he's forced into finishing it for the purposes of the show, I doubt that'd change his mind much.
To be honest they should have just dropped the whole idea of the P5 spoilercast ages ago.
I wonder if they will address this? It doesn't sit right with me at all.
I don't know why they take so many industry gigs. It's not like they are short of other revenue streams.
Giant Bomb for instance would never go near a hosting event like this.
To be fair im not saying its necessarily suspect or there is some sort of paid bias, its just very clear as time has gone on they have become way more I guess *more forgiving* which would happen if you hosted events, got invited to exclusive reveals ect ect. They have gotten closer to the industry and as a result feel more buddy buddy it has always been there with Greg coming from ign and having a very unique relationship with developers/publishers but as time goes on im less likely to take anything they say seriously when it comes to certain topics....Andrea and Greg often make me skip around the podcasts.
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I don't disagree with this, but I think there's another side to it too... I know Greg's talked before about how being a content creator himself has made him reassess putting out negativity. There's that realisation that, no matter how bad something is, there was probably a lot of people who put a lot of hard work into it, so just shitting all over it is just mean and unnecessary.
I think that's a large part of the reason why you don't see KF jumping on the bandwagon of shitting all over games like Fallout 76, Anthem, EGS etc. Because they know that real people are working on those things. I guess part of that comes from being creators themselves and part comes from being a bit buddy buddy with the industry.
But I do agree that they probably go too far with it and it sometimes looks like they're cutting out all negativity altogether; they just need to find that balance between calling out issues that genuinely need to be called out, while not jumping into the regular dog piling that happens in the industry.
Random side-note: I am playing Lego DC Super-Villains right now.
It has been a while since I last played a Lego game. (Lego Marvel 1 I think?)
I feel like DC Super-Villains is the fascinating result of dozens if not hundreds of talented developers trapped into repeating the same formula for the 100th time while still trying to be sneakily creative. The weird Platinum Games type boss fights are proof of that. And I kinda admire that attitude.
I knew Greg had done a voice for that game and... Honestly, he did a great job! When they get influencers / youtubers to do voices for games and movies in my country it's usually a recipe for disaster but in this particular case it worked out alright.
It has been a while since I last played a Lego game. (Lego Marvel 1 I think?)
I feel like DC Super-Villains is the fascinating result of dozens if not hundreds of talented developers trapped into repeating the same formula for the 100th time while still trying to be sneakily creative. The weird Platinum Games type boss fights are proof of that. And I kinda admire that attitude.
I knew Greg had done a voice for that game and... Honestly, he did a great job! When they get influencers / youtubers to do voices for games and movies in my country it's usually a recipe for disaster but in this particular case it worked out alright.
Just listen to the segment on today's Games Daily about Notch. Her reaction is super offputting.