It's Fran and a guest. Just loaded it to see who was on, but I don't watch until later in the day.
It's Fran and a guest. Just loaded it to see who was on, but I don't watch until later in the day.
Ah. Thank you sirIt's Fran and a guest. Just loaded it to see who was on, but I don't watch until later in the day.
Yep. The distortion of what's happening in that thread by people in here is pretty disgusting. No reason to coalesce around this to defend KF.Lots of post cherry picking from people complaining in here(people getting upset about some of the worst post and trying to justify closing the thread based on that without acknowledging a ton of people having made legit points that should be taken seriously) but at this point that's just expected. Tribalism in full force again.
Just posted.
"Hey, everyone--
Sorry for not making it back yesterday. This is the first time I've sat at a computer since posting Tuesday night.
Someone pointed out above that the discussion is anchored to Era, so I could probably just leave and never come back. That's not my way. All I have is my authenticity. I don't mind talking and learning.
Thank you for continuing the conversation here. There are a lot of posts here that really help me out, and I think shine a light on what went wrong Monday because, believe it or not, we agree: fuck bigots and racists.
Where we got off track Monday on the show comes down to "privilege." Many of you have echoed the same thought on here that's basically "How the fuck can Greg NOT know all this shit about PDP/Notch." The answer is pretty simple: when you say dumb shit on the Internet and you're just on the peripheral of my world (another influencer/some retired dev), I go "Well, you're dumb" and ignore you.
That's privilege.
I haven't had to fight for my rights, my identity, or my life. I identify my job as keeping Kinda Funny going, critiquing games, and keeping up with gaming news when it comes to titles/developers/etc. As such, it's easy to not click on Julia Alexander's headlines about YouTube personalities fucking up and keep looking for info on Game Pass.
That's privilege, and frankly, it's not one I've had to think about until this week.
If you watch Kinda Funny, you know that I preach "be better to each other," but beyond my one on one interactions, I'm still trying to figure out what that means. 2018 saw me acknowledge that I have a platform and that I need to be better about using it. I brought on smaller creators and tried to highlight minority voices.
To me, everything we're talking about is another aspect of that, and it's one that I need to learn. Monday saw me try to get a handle on two stories that intersected with *my* gaming world and the world I've seen headlines about but haven't focused on. That's not OK. My responsibilities are greater than that.
I gotta go record the Gamescast, but after that, I'll pop back in to respond to some more comments.
Greg"
Honestly, that's my take with it. I could see Greg wanted to challenge Andrea but he didn't.I liked this post in that thread
"This is what happens when you have somebody that is incredibly non confrontational with somebody that is really dumb."
I liked this post in that thread
"This is what happens when you have somebody that is incredibly non confrontational with somebody that is really dumb."
Honestly, that's my take with it. I could see Greg wanted to challenge Andrea but he didn't.
I am over Andrea, personally. She is too arrogant and stubborn for this crew. I wish she would recognize that she doesn't fit in and move on.
Also, Greg made a great post in the thread in Gaming.
Just posted.
"Hey, everyone--
Sorry for not making it back yesterday. This is the first time I've sat at a computer since posting Tuesday night.
Someone pointed out above that the discussion is anchored to Era, so I could probably just leave and never come back. That's not my way. All I have is my authenticity. I don't mind talking and learning.
Thank you for continuing the conversation here. There are a lot of posts here that really help me out, and I think shine a light on what went wrong Monday because, believe it or not, we agree: fuck bigots and racists.
Where we got off track Monday on the show comes down to "privilege." Many of you have echoed the same thought on here that's basically "How the fuck can Greg NOT know all this shit about PDP/Notch." The answer is pretty simple: when you say dumb shit on the Internet and you're just on the peripheral of my world (another influencer/some retired dev), I go "Well, you're dumb" and ignore you.
That's privilege.
I haven't had to fight for my rights, my identity, or my life. I identify my job as keeping Kinda Funny going, critiquing games, and keeping up with gaming news when it comes to titles/developers/etc. As such, it's easy to not click on Julia Alexander's headlines about YouTube personalities fucking up and keep looking for info on Game Pass.
That's privilege, and frankly, it's not one I've had to think about until this week.
If you watch Kinda Funny, you know that I preach "be better to each other," but beyond my one on one interactions, I'm still trying to figure out what that means. 2018 saw me acknowledge that I have a platform and that I need to be better about using it. I brought on smaller creators and tried to highlight minority voices.
To me, everything we're talking about is another aspect of that, and it's one that I need to learn. Monday saw me try to get a handle on two stories that intersected with *my* gaming world and the world I've seen headlines about but haven't focused on. That's not OK. My responsibilities are greater than that.
I gotta go record the Gamescast, but after that, I'll pop back in to respond to some more comments.
Greg"
Hey, y'all--
Andrea doesn't have an Era account and just posted this over on our subreddit. I just got to a computer this afternoon and was able to respond, she just got to hers:
Hi everyone! I apologize for the delay in responding to these comments, but it's been a hectic week to say the least. I've had time to reflect and I'd like to put forth this statement:
Earlier this week, Greg and I had a discussion on KFGD about recent news stories around Minecraft creator Notch and Youtube Content Creator PewdiePie. Some of you have expressed concern about statements we made, or didn't make, during that discussion and I think it's pertinent to follow-up with those concerns.
I've rewatched the show, and I understand the criticisms people had about our conversations. I regret that our discussion of this topic included unfounded or under-informed moments from me that sounded like they were condoning statements or posts that are hateful, racist, transphobic, anti-Semitic or bigoted.
I can see how my comments seem dismissive of a serious topic upon reflection, and I apologize. I vehemently reject any type of bigotry and those who invoke it. No amount of context explains away or justifies that behavior, and I'm sorry for implying it could. Of course it can't.
I support people of all backgrounds, genders, sexualities, races, religions - and I reject those who seek to disparage, dismiss, or discriminate against their fellow humans, that includes Notch and Pewdiepie. Greg and I appreciate the constructive criticism from those who took the time out to show us where we fell short, and we commit to demonstrating through both our words and our actions going forward that we have no sympathy for and will not make excuses for those that bring bigotry into the world through their statements, actions, or incitements.
Sincerely, Andrea Rene
What a trash post and you should feel bad for it.Until they go to notch and record themselves punching him, era will not be satisfied.
It was important to hear from Andrea, and her response was exactly what needed to be said. I'm glad they both listened, learned what their mistakes were, and vehemently came out against racism and Notch and PewDiePie in particular.
Haha go read her comments on Reddit and then come back and read her apology...rings completely hollow.
Haha go read her comments on Reddit and then come back and read her apology...rings completely hollow.
To be honest, why is that thread still going now?
They both got rightfully called out for their behaviour and dragged through the mud a bit. But they've both put out what appear to be genuine statements and it seems like they've learned from this. And most people have accepted the apologies.
Now it mostly seems to be about the fact that Andrea doesn't like Era, which like, who cares? She doesn't like Era and Era doesn't really like her. So what?
Sounds like AndreaBecause it feels like this
Andrea: passable apology
Andrea's friend: don't apologise, that guy is an ass
Andrea: lol I know but I had to
Because it feels like this
Andrea: passable apology
Andrea's friend: don't apologise, that guy is an ass
Andrea: lol I know but I had to
I am utterly disgusted by what happened in that thread. There has never been a better example of why many people outside of this community think we're absolute nut jobs.
Good take. I'm not saying it didn't deserve to get called out, and I have my issues with Andrea's arrogance and dismissive attitudes, but that was something far more vicious and mean spirited that the 'crime' warranted.Shit is more nuanced then people like themselves to believe its not all black and white, in saying that alot of these sayings and words have been co opted by alt right shitheads so even talking about these issues is difficult. You can rightfully call out people for using programmatic phrases or how they act without distilling them into something so basic, Greg but mainly Andrea deserved to be called out but man that thread brought out some horrible stuff.
Good take. I'm not saying it didn't deserve to get called out, and I have my issues with Andrea's arrogance and dismissive attitudes, but that was something far more vicious and mean spirited that the 'crime' warranted.
There are some people here that seem desperate to 'cancel' those in the spotlight and dogpile them at any given opportunity. What heroes!
Have they brought up last Monday's episode on air today?Gonna be a 'townhall' session after KFAF on Wednesday discussing the start of the year and what's happening over the rest of the year. I hope some shake ups are coming.
Nah, and frankly I don't think they should.
I wonder if they're going to bring up all of the Patreon goals that they've either stayed completely silent on or have delivered in a different way than originally promised.Gonna be a 'townhall' session after KFAF on Wednesday discussing the start of the year and what's happening over the rest of the year. I hope some shake ups are coming.
Honestly I don't think they can avoid that. And it better not just be 'We overpromised, all that travel fucked us and we have to cut some stuff back. Sorry.'I wonder if they're going to bring up all of the Patreon goals that they've either stayed completely silent on or have delivered in a different way than originally promised.
They said their doing both the animated and live action Aladdin and Lion King, and all the Toy Stories, so kinda still a series thing. I just wish they would stop. The MCU in Review was cool, but why does it have to be a thing they keep doing now. It's just not needed, they could put a much better show in its place.They're not series anymore then? Or just temporarily cos there's loads of new stuff coming out?
To be honest I kinda prefer that to doing crappy series that no one would want to watch.
Honestly I don't think they can avoid that. And it better not just be 'We overpromised, all that travel fucked us and we have to cut some stuff back. Sorry.'
I don't mind in-review and it seems to be something the community at large enjoys. But what's with these picks? I get it, they want to tie-in to pick movie releases as they happen but just react to those when they come out instead of forcing it.
Yeah that would make a lot of sense.I think they're trying to space out the "bigger" film series with stuff like this and MI. So when they announce like Harry Potter or DC it'll seem like a bigger deal than if they just do everything back-to-back.
They obviously want this to be a long running series and it doesn't make sense to dump everything else at once.