It's Fran and a guest. Just loaded it to see who was on, but I don't watch until later in the day.
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Kinda Funny |OT| A Baker's Dozen!
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Yep. The distortion of what's happening in that thread by people in here is pretty disgusting. No reason to coalesce around this to defend KF.
Just posted.
"Hey, everyone--
Sorry for not making it back yesterday. This is the first time I've sat at a computer since posting Tuesday night.
Someone pointed out above that the discussion is anchored to Era, so I could probably just leave and never come back. That's not my way. All I have is my authenticity. I don't mind talking and learning.
Thank you for continuing the conversation here. There are a lot of posts here that really help me out, and I think shine a light on what went wrong Monday because, believe it or not, we agree: fuck bigots and racists.
Where we got off track Monday on the show comes down to "privilege." Many of you have echoed the same thought on here that's basically "How the fuck can Greg NOT know all this shit about PDP/Notch." The answer is pretty simple: when you say dumb shit on the Internet and you're just on the peripheral of my world (another influencer/some retired dev), I go "Well, you're dumb" and ignore you.
That's privilege.
I haven't had to fight for my rights, my identity, or my life. I identify my job as keeping Kinda Funny going, critiquing games, and keeping up with gaming news when it comes to titles/developers/etc. As such, it's easy to not click on Julia Alexander's headlines about YouTube personalities fucking up and keep looking for info on Game Pass.
That's privilege, and frankly, it's not one I've had to think about until this week.
If you watch Kinda Funny, you know that I preach "be better to each other," but beyond my one on one interactions, I'm still trying to figure out what that means. 2018 saw me acknowledge that I have a platform and that I need to be better about using it. I brought on smaller creators and tried to highlight minority voices.
To me, everything we're talking about is another aspect of that, and it's one that I need to learn. Monday saw me try to get a handle on two stories that intersected with *my* gaming world and the world I've seen headlines about but haven't focused on. That's not OK. My responsibilities are greater than that.
I gotta go record the Gamescast, but after that, I'll pop back in to respond to some more comments.
Greg"
"Hey, everyone--
Sorry for not making it back yesterday. This is the first time I've sat at a computer since posting Tuesday night.
Someone pointed out above that the discussion is anchored to Era, so I could probably just leave and never come back. That's not my way. All I have is my authenticity. I don't mind talking and learning.
Thank you for continuing the conversation here. There are a lot of posts here that really help me out, and I think shine a light on what went wrong Monday because, believe it or not, we agree: fuck bigots and racists.
Where we got off track Monday on the show comes down to "privilege." Many of you have echoed the same thought on here that's basically "How the fuck can Greg NOT know all this shit about PDP/Notch." The answer is pretty simple: when you say dumb shit on the Internet and you're just on the peripheral of my world (another influencer/some retired dev), I go "Well, you're dumb" and ignore you.
That's privilege.
I haven't had to fight for my rights, my identity, or my life. I identify my job as keeping Kinda Funny going, critiquing games, and keeping up with gaming news when it comes to titles/developers/etc. As such, it's easy to not click on Julia Alexander's headlines about YouTube personalities fucking up and keep looking for info on Game Pass.
That's privilege, and frankly, it's not one I've had to think about until this week.
If you watch Kinda Funny, you know that I preach "be better to each other," but beyond my one on one interactions, I'm still trying to figure out what that means. 2018 saw me acknowledge that I have a platform and that I need to be better about using it. I brought on smaller creators and tried to highlight minority voices.
To me, everything we're talking about is another aspect of that, and it's one that I need to learn. Monday saw me try to get a handle on two stories that intersected with *my* gaming world and the world I've seen headlines about but haven't focused on. That's not OK. My responsibilities are greater than that.
I gotta go record the Gamescast, but after that, I'll pop back in to respond to some more comments.
Greg"
Greg's biggest problem has always been he's too nice. It hurts him at times when he needs to he critical and it blindsides him when real issues need to he tackled. This and the idea of treating everyone as a "best friend" means he tends to be oblivious at times for a person of his fame and stature in the industry.
I feel like this applies to most all of the issues KoF has run into.
I feel like this applies to most all of the issues KoF has run into.
People are going to say something about this, but if I'm being honest...I do this. I could give a fuck less about PDP/Notch, and typically only know the broad strokes of PDP from headlines at best. It's really easy to ignore that, and I'm one of the targeted groups. For him it's a privilege thing, for me it's a "as a black person I don't survive mentally without knowing I have to tune out certain things". (Also knowing what to tune out.)
But good on him for recognizing that as someone with a platform he has to go a bit further. He took the right lessons from this.
That said, Greg's really nice about this 'cause LOL the way he's being talked about in that thread? Fuck that, couldn't be me. For sure, I'd say something about PDP and Notch being shitheads, but I'd also write this place off as a trash heap forever. You don't get to say "fuck me" for not doing exactly what you want, then try to patch shit up down the road.
Honestly, that's my take with it. I could see Greg wanted to challenge Andrea but he didn't.
I am over Andrea, personally. She is too arrogant and stubborn for this crew. I wish she would recognize that she doesn't fit in and move on.
Also, Greg made a great post in the thread in Gaming.
They shouldn't allow her back on any KF honestly but she will be and that'll be all she wrote for me.
Already didn't like her and just found what happened the other day completely distasteful, I'm over her.
That was a great post him. He said everything that I needed him to say, with the exception of maybe addressing Andrea, but I can see why he'd want to avoid it. Regardless, from his comments, it is clear he is aware, and hopefully will try to police her a bit.
It was important to hear from Andrea, and her response was exactly what needed to be said. I'm glad they both listened, learned what their mistakes were, and vehemently came out against racism and Notch and PewDiePie in particular.
More so than anyone else I follow that are youtubers/influencers he seems the most committed to understanding problems like this and trying to legitimately rectify them. Major props. Most folks I follow, when criticized, just make a joke about it on their next video and be super passive aggressive.
Haha go read her comments on Reddit and then come back and read her apology...rings completely hollow.
I just do not understand Andrea at all. It just seems like she is actively trying to piss people off now. There's some awful stuff in that thread, but come on. Her attitude seems antithetical to the whole Kinda Funny enterprise.
I don't think so. There were some awful things being said in that thread, like how both Greg and her should line up in front of a firing squad, and how her husband should dump her because he can do so much better (said by multiple posters). She is definitely within her right to comment on the terribleness in that thread.
To be honest, why is that thread still going now?
They both got rightfully called out for their behaviour and dragged through the mud a bit. But they've both put out what appear to be genuine statements and it seems like they've learned from this. And most people have accepted the apologies.
Now it mostly seems to be about the fact that Andrea doesn't like Era, which like, who cares? She doesn't like Era and Era doesn't really like her. So what?
They both got rightfully called out for their behaviour and dragged through the mud a bit. But they've both put out what appear to be genuine statements and it seems like they've learned from this. And most people have accepted the apologies.
Now it mostly seems to be about the fact that Andrea doesn't like Era, which like, who cares? She doesn't like Era and Era doesn't really like her. So what?
Because it feels like this
Andrea: passable apology
Andrea's friend: don't apologise, that guy is an ass
Andrea: lol I know but I had to
I read it more as her apology was genuine but that doesn't mean she likes us here... I don't think those things are mutually exclusive. But yeah I can see it your way too and with Andrea, I suppose she doesn't really get the benefit of the doubt, given her history with admitting she's wrong.
I think for me its that a lot of the problem was her redirecting blame at those upset about the notch situation by saying their concerns were just drama and wanting to be part of the internet hate mob, and then after apologizing essentially saying the same thing about the thread that prompted her apology which undermines one of the central reasons people were irritated by it to begin with.
Shit is more nuanced then people like themselves to believe its not all black and white, in saying that alot of these sayings and words have been co opted by alt right shitheads so even talking about these issues is difficult. You can rightfully call out people for using programmatic phrases or how they act without distilling them into something so basic, Greg but mainly Andrea deserved to be called out but man that thread brought out some horrible stuff.
Good take. I'm not saying it didn't deserve to get called out, and I have my issues with Andrea's arrogance and dismissive attitudes, but that was something far more vicious and mean spirited that the 'crime' warranted.
There are some people here that seem desperate to 'cancel' those in the spotlight and dogpile them at any given opportunity. What heroes!
Yeah im not disagreeing with you it was definitely more viscous then it should have been.
BOOOOOOOO!
I actually don't remember Gary's pitch of the game in the first place
Also, if you put a space in between space and rocks, you get, umm, some rocks.
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I wonder if they're going to bring up all of the Patreon goals that they've either stayed completely silent on or have delivered in a different way than originally promised.
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Honestly I don't think they can avoid that. And it better not just be 'We overpromised, all that travel fucked us and we have to cut some stuff back. Sorry.'
They're not series anymore then? Or just temporarily cos there's loads of new stuff coming out?
To be honest I kinda prefer that to doing crappy series that no one would want to watch.
To be honest I kinda prefer that to doing crappy series that no one would want to watch.
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They said their doing both the animated and live action Aladdin and Lion King, and all the Toy Stories, so kinda still a series thing. I just wish they would stop. The MCU in Review was cool, but why does it have to be a thing they keep doing now. It's just not needed, they could put a much better show in its place.
Isn't this the story of KoF since day one? They've always tried to do too much relative to their size.
It's the KoF MO.
In Review series is officially dead for me. Just so boring. The GoT in review is them non-stop complaining about the show and I expect the same for the newer movies.
I have found myself getting more and more disinterested in KF's gaming and entertainment content. They are all so boring and similar. There are better alternatives to both gaming and movie/TV podcasts out there than theirs.
I have found myself getting more and more disinterested in KF's gaming and entertainment content. They are all so boring and similar. There are better alternatives to both gaming and movie/TV podcasts out there than theirs.
I don't mind in-review and it seems to be something the community at large enjoys. But what's with these picks? I get it, they want to tie-in to pick movie releases as they happen but just react to those when they come out instead of forcing it.
Why not just do Pixar non-sequels in-review or Disney's 90's golden age in-review? Popular films with a wide range of varying opinions.
They can't seem to stick the landing these days (in my opinion).
Why not just do Pixar non-sequels in-review or Disney's 90's golden age in-review? Popular films with a wide range of varying opinions.
They can't seem to stick the landing these days (in my opinion).
I think they're trying to space out the "bigger" film series with stuff like this and MI. So when they announce like Harry Potter or DC it'll seem like a bigger deal than if they just do everything back-to-back.
They obviously want this to be a long running series and it doesn't make sense to dump everything else at once.
Posted this over in the subreddit, so I might as well post it here too:
They've completely gotten away from what In Review should be IMO. In Review should ONLY be used when building up to something huge. MCU was perfect because it all culminated in Infinity War. The rest have just been poor imitations because they haven't built to anything meaningful.
As much as I have no interest in them talking about Star Wars, their next In Review should be in the build-up to Episode 9. Instead, they're doing Detective Pikachu??? I thought the whole point was to review and RANK the films? They're then doing comparisons between the Aladdin and Lion King films, which is just a whole bunch of nothing. And again, wasn't the whole point of this show to be ranking a series of movies? Toy Story is the only one that comes even close to being what In Review is supposed to be.
Kinda Funny have this problem where they strike gold and then just run that golden idea straight into the fucking ground. They milk it dry until everything that made it unique and interesting is completely gone and it just becomes another vehicle for them to be wacky on. Can anyone actually say they've enjoyed any of their recent In Review series half as much as MCU? Now they've apparently just abandoned the whole ranking aspect for the most part, which was honestly one of the most appealing parts of the show, and what drove most of the discussion from fans. This is all ignoring how bad these reviews are going to be too. They're going to have a single Pokemon "fan" around for Detective Pikachu so that'll be a mess, and you can already guarantee they're just going to shit all over the live-action remakes.
They've completely gotten away from what In Review should be IMO. In Review should ONLY be used when building up to something huge. MCU was perfect because it all culminated in Infinity War. The rest have just been poor imitations because they haven't built to anything meaningful.
As much as I have no interest in them talking about Star Wars, their next In Review should be in the build-up to Episode 9. Instead, they're doing Detective Pikachu??? I thought the whole point was to review and RANK the films? They're then doing comparisons between the Aladdin and Lion King films, which is just a whole bunch of nothing. And again, wasn't the whole point of this show to be ranking a series of movies? Toy Story is the only one that comes even close to being what In Review is supposed to be.
Kinda Funny have this problem where they strike gold and then just run that golden idea straight into the fucking ground. They milk it dry until everything that made it unique and interesting is completely gone and it just becomes another vehicle for them to be wacky on. Can anyone actually say they've enjoyed any of their recent In Review series half as much as MCU? Now they've apparently just abandoned the whole ranking aspect for the most part, which was honestly one of the most appealing parts of the show, and what drove most of the discussion from fans. This is all ignoring how bad these reviews are going to be too. They're going to have a single Pokemon "fan" around for Detective Pikachu so that'll be a mess, and you can already guarantee they're just going to shit all over the live-action remakes.
I genuinely remember being very excited at the prospects of their new lineup back in January. But apart from KF/AF it has been an incredibly disappointing few months of Kinda Funny content. It's almost like they've burnt out and in some respects are just phoning it in to get from one exhausting weekend of travel to the next.