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Well, that was disappointing. I guess I just expect too much, like a story about apes actually having, or at least forming, a meaningful society. But no, they're still just simple barbarians. And humans, despite being on the apparant verge of extinction, are still articulate, organized, and educated.
And this may be the dumbest Macguffin I've ever seen. If apes want leftover human resources, like weapons, books, technology, or whatever, then fucking try...anywhere. Literally thousands of bases & depots, gun stores, libraries, or even just homes, across the continent. You don't need a secret base behind a giant door - that none of the apes are smart enough to look for a back entrance into. All they can do is mindlessly beat on it. I'm honestly offended on their behalf.
I had much the same reaction to War: I felt we were sold, you know, a war between apes and humans. Or at least the origins of one. But nope, just apes caught on the fringes of human conflict. An insignificant story, other than the fact that the apes survived. It was actually a decent movie, other than being so unambitious. This one was, too.
And this may be the dumbest Macguffin I've ever seen. If apes want leftover human resources, like weapons, books, technology, or whatever, then fucking try...anywhere. Literally thousands of bases & depots, gun stores, libraries, or even just homes, across the continent. You don't need a secret base behind a giant door - that none of the apes are smart enough to look for a back entrance into. All they can do is mindlessly beat on it. I'm honestly offended on their behalf.
I had much the same reaction to War: I felt we were sold, you know, a war between apes and humans. Or at least the origins of one. But nope, just apes caught on the fringes of human conflict. An insignificant story, other than the fact that the apes survived. It was actually a decent movie, other than being so unambitious. This one was, too.
But they have none of that. They have no tech, they can't read, they know nothing. Noa's village is using sticks and vines. And Proximus has a human designing his pathetic tech, and reading books to him. They're living on, around, and even in human ruins, and they're doing a laughable job of even scavenging.
Like they said, the scripts for them are *not good*, but there's still plenty of stuff to enjoy if you're capable of going in knowing that and being fine with it.
Esp to get a grasp on his directing style.
Though I would argue that the first Maze Runner film is by and far the best overall experience. A lot of stuff there that can give you a good picture of how he might handle a Zelda, just like Apes.
They're solid YA films. From a technical perspective, they're really good.
i don't think the ape population is large enough to make any meaningful advances. if it spread in our earth the world over like it had in the fictional universe, there would be a population in the millions, at most, after a few hundred years. in a lot of places, apes would have gained intelligence without any useful knowledge and probably forced into conflict right away. they wouldn't be able to read or know much about the world they find themselves in because human history would be all first time info.
if there were around 15 million humans left after the simian flu, and the mutated strain 'devolved' humans to the same degree, then that would still leave 100,000 humans around the world with intelligence. there would be pockets of humanity in strongholds after the war, and would have had a huge head start in that they understood written language, human history, and scientific advancements.
after 300 years of apes being the dominant intelligent species, the world would be extremely disconnected due to a lack of transferable knowledge and a severely reduced global population.
if there were around 15 million humans left after the simian flu, and the mutated strain 'devolved' humans to the same degree, then that would still leave 100,000 humans around the world with intelligence. there would be pockets of humanity in strongholds after the war, and would have had a huge head start in that they understood written language, human history, and scientific advancements.
after 300 years of apes being the dominant intelligent species, the world would be extremely disconnected due to a lack of transferable knowledge and a severely reduced global population.
i've not watched kingdom yet. :p
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This had some good moments but fell short of the reboot trilogy. Some of the ape dialogue in the first 20-30mins was hard to make out.
Still mulling it over.
Still mulling it over.
My suggestion would be:
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Reckoning of the Planet of the Apes
Twilight of the Planet of the Apes
No. But at this point I would just suggest the OP to rename this review thread as the OT lol (what do you say doops. ?)
Well, that's impressive because I think you are on point.
Also, any technology out in the open would be lost after centuries. The things in the bunker are preserved, that's the point.
I've seen many people mentioning this and I just can't buy it. And the first reason is a problem with the original movie, and maybe a controversial thing to say: if an astronaut lands in a planet that has horses, plant life like Earth, a moon, 24 hours days, and humans (even if dumb), they would unmistakably recognize that planet as Earth, no matter how many smart apes are there.Last one is probably going to be, simply, "Planet of the Apes" as a lost space ship, the Icarus (mentioned/shown a few times in Rise of the Planet of the Apes) crash lands and is basically a remake of the original film.
But even accepting they don't, why would a voyage to Mars end up in a time travel thousands of years in the future? I don't think that fits with the more realistic tone these movies have had since Rise.
The title is the one thing the reboot series consistently get wrong. Dawn should have come first, then War and then Rise.
I wouldn't mind Tears of the Planet of the Apes.
Planet of the Apes - The rise of Zaius
Planet of the Apes - I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-A to chimpan-zee
Planet of the Apes - I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-A to chimpan-zee
Yeah, you are correct on that! Would had made more sense.
Kind of like how Batman Forever should had been called Batman and Robin(since it's Robin debut film) and Batman and Robin should had been called Batman Forever(since it was the 4th movie and using the word for would make sense for it).
There's still time.
The satcom key reconnecting the surviving humans at the end of Kingdom could lead to them launching nukes in a last ditch effort to kill the apes, and wipe out any remnants of the simian flu.
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I think I'm in the minority here, but: I liked this even more than the trilogy.
One thing that really struck me was just how impactful every moment of violence felt. I watched a show recently that had a gun battle between two factions and it made me feel nothing at all. But when Mae kills Trevathan, or Proximus gets savaged by the eagles, it just felt really brutal. They don't shy away from the panic when Silva gets drowned. The audience audibly gasping when Mae's gun is shown near the end.
One thing that really struck me was just how impactful every moment of violence felt. I watched a show recently that had a gun battle between two factions and it made me feel nothing at all. But when Mae kills Trevathan, or Proximus gets savaged by the eagles, it just felt really brutal. They don't shy away from the panic when Silva gets drowned. The audience audibly gasping when Mae's gun is shown near the end.
actually a pretty decent film but its doesn't feel like a opening salvo for a summer blockbuster season. I found the plot to be interesting and was constantly wowed at the fidelity of the CGI they used on the apes plus the motion capture performance.
there was a concern for me that they were Disneyfying it too much, but yeah let's say past the first act any concern of it being that way kinda went away XD. This is still in the end an Apes movie.
Saw it yesterday. Not a perfect movie, but I enjoyed it a lot. I really liked that they took their time to build out the world. Makes me wonder how its are going to be at the box office though.
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Empire of the Planet of the Apes
Fall of the Planet of the Apes
My boring suggestion:
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Empire of the Planet of the Apes
Fall of the Planet of the Apes
I don't think the twist is doable. You'd have to do it in reverse or something. Have one of the unaffected humans be revealed to be an astronaut. I almost thought that was were they were going with Mae towards the end
Still, though. There's the issue of implementing a very sci-fi concept such as time travel in the new continuity. I thought about cryostasis as a possible solution, but even that feels like it's too sci-fi for the new movies.
Still, though. There's the issue of implementing a very sci-fi concept such as time travel in the new continuity. I thought about cryostasis as a possible solution, but even that feels like it's too sci-fi for the new movies.
The origin of the smart apes is a big deviation as well. Unless the Rise continuity is the first go around of the time loop, I guess.
I know I shouldn't be so nitpicky about a movie starring talking apes, but the more I think about it, the sillier it seems that 300 years after human civilization falls, there's still people seemingly quarantined entirely and working on structures and technology that old. I feel like after that long humanity would have either reclaimed the Earth or their small societies/technology would fall apart. 300 years with virtually no progress is crazy.
At this point, I am glad that it seems like it might just be a red herring at this point
Since it felt like if they were going to the Icarus but different, then they were clearly trying to make it seem like Mae was possibly Stewart in an alternate timeline where maybe she survived the trip and Taylor didn't.
And, of course, they didn't actually go that way.
And, of course, they didn't actually go that way.
Saw it last night, I appreciate the trailers didn't really tell you the actual story.
Something was obviously up with Mae due to her still having those clothes, went from maybe there were humans who were in suspended animation and woke up similar to the original minus the ship or there were humans hidden away in bases and yup.
Regarding the plots of future films after this one, I think the following:
www.hollywoodreporter.com
www.resetera.com
I don't think that time-traveling astronauts will appear in this new trilogy yet. According to this interview with the writers/producers/responsible for the reboot series, I think it seems like they want to do an entire trilogy in this period (probably starring Noa and Mae) before creating a trilogy 2000 years in the future with Taylor
Hollywood’s Franchise Power Couple
Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver – the writer-producer duo known for ‘Planet of the Apes,’ ‘Avatar’ and ‘Jurassic World’ – talk about being fired, rehired and inspired to make five more ‘Apes.’
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver interview - the writer-producer duo known for ‘Planet of the Apes,’ ‘Avatar’ and ‘Jurassic World’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/kingdom-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-sequels-1235892576/
www.resetera.com
I just caught it a second time and fuck, I love this damn movie.
Also, I was able to appreciate the ending a little bit more this time because
Also, I was able to appreciate the ending a little bit more this time because
As someone watching in Indiana, hearing the other base they make contact with is in Fort Wayne took me OUT the first time. Fort Wayne?! Of all places?!
Last one is probably going to be, simply, "Planet of the Apes" as a lost space ship, the Icarus (mentioned/shown a few times in Rise of the Planet of the Apes) crash lands and is basically a remake of the original film.
I haven't seen Kingdom yet and was planning to on Friday, but both of my sons got sick last week so we didn't get to go see it. We are planning to go this Friday.
What if the final film in this trilogy has an Ape going to space and lands on a planet full of humans, going the complete reverse directions of the original film.
Where are people getting that this is 300 years after Caesar? The movie only said many generations later. After a bit of thought, I think it's only 100 years in the future from Caesar's death, at most. Apes don't live as long as a humans, so those are probably "many generations" of apes.
No, you're dead on. This would've been far more plausible if it were like 20-30 years later, not ten times that.
It would really bring things full circle, really doing something unique for the entire franchise. Even though someone can argue in a way, this is how "Rise" is in a way as it does start with a lone Cesar not being treated right once he is captured.
One of the producers said it takes place 300 years later.
‘Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes’ Director Wes Ball on Trilogy Plans and Making ‘Legend of Zelda’: It’s ‘Dying for a Cinematic Treatment’
‘Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes’ director Wes Ball talks new trilogy and his 'Legend of Zelda' movie
variety.com
It was most likely decided to be ambiguous in the final edit to let the worldbuilding be more flexible as discussed upthread.
A sweet movie. I thought it was refreshingly uncluttered, telling a clear story without forcing noice and spectacle in at every moment. The opposite of quippy: Its characters go for the quiet gestures instead. Noa is a complex character presented in all his nuance. Very well directed performances. Of course some credit goes to the effects people and animation. But Wes Ball has a light touch while doing complex things that makes his movies very readable and unhurried.
The producers have said that they have a plan for a 9 film saga, so this story could possibly be the final trilogy. Have an ape going to space in the final moments of the 6th film and disappear. Start off the next trilogy with the ape arriving hundreds of years in the future and humanity is in the early stages of developing a society. End the next trilogy with a super nuke going off and a human couple going back in time.
I've been thinking about rewatching the original trilogy. Own it on Blu-Ray but haven't seen it since War came out. Really is one of the most underrated Hollywood franchises right now.
Also considering watching the old movies; I've only seen the first Planet Of The Apes.