It's a high budget game with an appropriate development time and no unexpected technical issues. At that point, an 80s is pretty much guaranteed, so the game ending up on the low 80s makes it seem like Kojima's direction is nothing special.
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Kojima: Death Stranding Had Stronger Criticism in the US, Possibly Because It Flies Above Shooters
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It's a high budget game with an appropriate development time and no unexpected technical issues. At that point, an 80s is pretty much guaranteed, so the game ending up on the low 80s makes it seem like Kojima's direction is nothing special.
Speaking of first person shooters, the game really doesn't feel very good when you need to use 1st/3rd person shooter mechanics.
Like, it feels really bad and quite inferior to most modern games that offer a 3rd person shooter experience as part of the game. Merely a passing grade.
Like, it feels really bad and quite inferior to most modern games that offer a 3rd person shooter experience as part of the game. Merely a passing grade.
Do not compare it to that poopy game. You will not do that, actually.
I haven't played Horizon, but I'm gong to assume this isn't a compliment. lol. And it shouldn't be, because shooting is very clunky here. I think it's the thumb stick acceleration or something. Just feels too sensitive to me. Lots of over-correction, and I'm very good at shooters.
I really look forward to seeing it on PC; I think the shooting will be a much better experience there.
It's a total blast from the last, back to 2005. It feels so rubbish
DS is great but like the Alex says at Giantbomb say I wish it had more confidence in the delivery systems
As I said, never played any of his games and I don't have a PS4 and I don't game on PC outside of MMOs. That and what I have seen, the gameplay loop of Death Stranding doesn't interest me. I am not into games that makes me feel like I'm doing work. So hearing 'it's like Breath of the Wild if it was boring on purpose' as a compliment, is a sign that the game is most likely not for me.
So I only have what I've heard about the gameplay of Death Stranding and the most constant feedback I've heard is that the combat gameplay is that it's serviceable and the gameplay loops is not for everyone. And I wouldn't call Death Stranding a new concept in that the idea of the game is similar to trunk sim games. And before someone say it, I actually have no problem with slow games since I enjoyed playing Stardew Valley which is about running a farm on a somewhat unforgiving in-game clock. Or Monster Hunter which is a game based on learning the game systems or watched your character get their ass kicked.
But regardless of my personally feelings or even yours, Death Stranding didn't get the acclaimed that Kojima was looking for, otherwise he wouldn't be acting so salty about Metacritic score. It reeks of a certain level of entitlement.
I think Kojima may have thought that....
people would not get to the later half of the game. It basically turns into a shooter and stealth game for several hours like MGS.
Horizon is VERY good as far as its combat goes. Honestly, the bow combat and story are the best things about the game.
Not seeing how it with Metal Gear gameplay being tangle with the story, but I will just take your word for it. But I have played games that had great gameplay and a story that didn't just stall everything to info dumped for several minutes with information that they could have scattered through the game. I prefer storytelling like the Prime games, Bioshock, or even Dark Souls where the environment and/or logs you find through gameplay tell a story or fill in missing pieces.
I understand, i want to let u know tho that his games are chock full of the thing u admire in the games you referred to, and that his storytelling doesnt tend to stall the game for info-dumping. Mgs4 has a lot of that but the game is largely fanservice, i can agree w/ that kind of gripe for that game
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I can't say the same of Death Stranding's combat. Definitely one of the few truly disappointing aspects of the experience to me.
For me, both are like "serviceable" but that kind of sounds assholish to say, it doesnt really deter my enjoyment of the game meaningfully. I havent had a situation where i had to wrangle the controls, but at the same time i feel like messily fumbling around is kind of in tone with the game lol
Ive only used the
so far tho so maybe theres something down the line that feels ridiculously weird, iunno lol
Ive only used the
bola gun and grenades
I dont mean that there arent copious cutscenes where things are told at you, like i probably wasnt clear enough. But i dont consider it stalling, i think the scenes do things besides infodump, etc. But yeah, i mean it was kind of a ridiculous sentence, there is definitely plenty of info-dumping and it makes perfrct sense why ppl would receive it that way tho i dont
Yeah the shooting feels a little funky at times in DS. Not horrible per se, but not as precise as you would hope. Horizon does not have this problem.
I think DS "is not a game for you" is more a case of whether you even want to give it a chance or not. All you'll end up with if you don't like it is more time wasted on a video game, so what's there to lose.
I think it's easy to understand all the "Kojima is pretentious" drivel when so many comment audiaciously on his content without really playing it. Ftr, I bought MGS3 on 3DS and had no idea who he was or what MGS was beyond that I know Kojima was sort of a running joke of the gaming conversation. I spent the whole game being like "Jesus this makes NO sense, god this is stupid", and then it clicked for me at some point. It was as if underneath my outgoing attitude of "this lowkey sucks lol!" I saw that the game was intelligently designed and written and after seeing most of it I realized it was actually a well told story and it was actually a very good video game.
And DS is the same thing. I think because it's new concepts and outlandish ideas people are just too quick to brush it off as "drivel" and "artistic nonsense", but in reality it's just a pretty goofy sci-fi plot with a fun mailman gameplay, and I'll only partly blame Kojima/Sony for marketing it like it's some incomprehensible work of art - it doesn't need to be.
Holy shit what game are you playing? The cut scenes in this game are like 95% info dumps.
That also doesn't change the sentiment of his argument either.
Why would I take a chance on a game I may not like which would cost me the price of not only the game, but also the game console, which would most likely cost me $200 if I buy it on a Black Friday sell? It isn't like I just have money to burn. And even if I want to play on a computer, I have to tae special measure since I have a Mac and most Stream games are Windows only.
And again, DS isn't really new since games that sims boring everyday isn't something new. And it does come off as you saying that those who played it and didn't like didn't 'get' the game.
you probably shouldn't play it
I tried to clarify above, but yeh it was a wack sentence
The quote is just restructured differently but still amounts to the same thing.
It wasn't. The other translations just say essentially the same thing with different phrasing.
Time to stop blaming mistranslations for every dumb thing Kojima says. Plenty of Japanese devs say plenty of thing without putting their foot in their mouth, somehow.
but its Kojimaaaa.
he is our lord and savior. He can do us no wrong!
/s I actually completely agree with you.
7hs of playtime. Just arrove in Capital Knot City after being at some Wind farm.
When is this game supposed to start being good? When is it supposed to start being a 10/10 material?
When is this game supposed to start being good? When is it supposed to start being a 10/10 material?
Isn't that fuckin' toast? Where on Earth does a cracker that big and thick exist?A Hideo Kojima Thread presents:
Have you checked above you? If you're used to shooters it might be flying well above.
It's a good line to escape criticism... "Oh; you don't like it? Clearly you just don't get it".
For what it's worth, I say this as a passing observer... I've enjoyed Kojima games in the past and have had my eye on this. Will probably get the PC release, but the whole attitude that you need to be so intelligent to understand the game is really rubbing me the wrong way.
For what it's worth, I say this as a passing observer... I've enjoyed Kojima games in the past and have had my eye on this. Will probably get the PC release, but the whole attitude that you need to be so intelligent to understand the game is really rubbing me the wrong way.
She does look to be eating toast, but there are thick crackers around.
The bolded is true, but I genuinely think Kojima is mockable (is that even a word? Hahaha) enough for saying stuff like this.
He really thinks too highly of himself.
It's a notch below MGSV for me (I'm only in Episode 3 so far, however), but in terms of the sheer kinaesthetic satisfaction of moving around and making your way through the environment, it's still got it. I'm not even the biggest fan of Kojima's storytelling, but the dude knows how to make a game that feels good to play.
Comparing the game to a throwaway campaign in your average shooter/action game and yeah, it does feel better. I can only think of a few this gen that are at the same level.
Comparing the game to a throwaway campaign in your average shooter/action game and yeah, it does feel better. I can only think of a few this gen that are at the same level.
Shooter gameplay seem kind of more brain dead to me than the things you have to do to avoid a fight. For challenge shooters usually increase or decrease the HP and damage of the enemy. The AI in Death Stranding looks as simple as a lot of shooters, but adding in the nature element and keeping your loot safe adds a lot more gameplay variability to it I think.
I think For Honor's story mode has better gameplay than a lot of shooting games. In that game you have to block, parry, defend against multiple enemies, and the motion matching helps you identify what the opponent is going to attack from since the animation is clear and smooth (playing hudless is a good way to learn and it's very challenging).
I think For Honor's story mode has better gameplay than a lot of shooting games. In that game you have to block, parry, defend against multiple enemies, and the motion matching helps you identify what the opponent is going to attack from since the animation is clear and smooth (playing hudless is a good way to learn and it's very challenging).
Apparantly 10 hours in. Of course if you still aren't liking it by then people will tell you that the ending is the best and you have to finish it to appreciate it.
It's so crazy to me that "it opens up after (x) hours" is a non-ironic, trendy praise given to games these days. I forget what MMO it was, but I recall people saying that it really opens up once you hit the post-game content (40ish hours). I think if you're 7 hours in (a massive time investment in my opinion), I don't see any reason to not rip the eject cord.
I imagine if you invest that much energy and time in something, a psychological thing happens where you have to justify it to yourself. Like the gamer equivalent of Stockholm syndrome or loss aversion.
I spent a lot longer trying to get to the real Diablo 3 PC at launch, then doing it again because the class I picked was horrible for Inferno, and the second, third, fourth, etc. Inferno wasn't ready, the loot was garbage, and the real Diablo 3 was camping the Auction House. Diablo 2 was the real Diablo I should have started with.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned YawZah's detailed post. The U.S. scores were not significantly different.
It's possible that in saying "stronger criticisms" Kojima has in mind one or more particularly influential and/or particularly vocal (about their dislike of Death Stranding) critics who actually did not end up issuing a score, like Dan Ryckert, whose opinion was frequently quoted approvingly as an authoritative (if not definitive) judgment on the game. By "influential" I mean for example that around here, seemed to me like Dan's opinion was cited at least as often as any other individual/reviewer's opinion, all the way up to release, if I were to hazard a guess (though it was Alex Navarro who eventually wrote and published GB's formal written review, on Nov 6th).
But to your point, reviewers are a distinct subset of consumers, but not an entirely separate group, and Kojima is indeed talking about consumer/reviewer preferences in a way that is not dissimilar from Jim Ryan.
But on the other hand, it's also true that the English phrase "difficult to understand" makes it seem like it's a comprehension problem rather than difference in preference, and the apparent claims (not repeated in the IGN clarification) about difference in "artistic sensibility" and ability to appreciate originality are rather more dubious.
Google translation (of the Italian) of the interview:
Incidentally, I guess there is audio of Kojima answering in Japanese, though I don't think that audio has been released: "Sony got in touch with us after checking the original interview audio and clarified that..."
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After 12 hours I stopped and sold the game.
So yea, don't expect a change anytime soon