Kojima: Death Stranding Had Stronger Criticism in the US, Possibly Because It Flies Above Shooters

[Betty]

It's a big release from a big creator - it's going to get the typical shitty gamer treatment. I just think Kojima needs to be aware that he made a game that not everyone was a fan of. It's a unique and gorgeous game with a good vision - but it's not like it got some bad reviews because it "doesn't have enough shootuns". A little humility does good in this industry.

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This is not the only time the hate has come out though, it's been constant and it'll probably remain that way right up until his next release.

Not everything Kojima touches is gold though. Peace Walker had godawful gameplay mechanics.

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I thought it was one of the best PSP games made better when it got HD treatment.

You can have your own opinion about the story but I thought it was a huge improvement over Portable Ops and streamlined a lot of what made that game decent.

 

[NeoBob688]

This is just ridiculous and makes me dislike Hideo.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

I'm enjoying Death Stranding. I'm enjoying it a lot actually.

That said, I hate Kojima's attitude. The man is so full of himself that reading stuff like this, make me dislike the fact that I'm enjoying his game.

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Yeah, it's so eye roll inducing.

Makes you appreciate how awesome and modest Itsuno is.

 

[Deleted member 9100]

And people though red dead redemption 2 was a polarizing game. It's fascinating seeing the reviews for this game. It seems everyone either absolutely loves it or hates it.

My favorite quote from the reviews I read was "Death Stranding is an irredeemable piece of garbage"

https://stevivor.com/reviews/death-stranding-review-dead-arrival/

I'm a few hours in and enjoying the game so far, but we will see if that changes as time goes on.

 

[Deleted member 29464]

Did Italy and France rate it higher than countries like the UK, Spain, and Germany?

 

[NoKisum]

The implication is that Americans don't like anything BUT shooters?

So yeah, if you like Mario Kart, then you're probably not American.

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With the current discourse in our country right now, I wouldn't be offended at all being called a non-American because of my love for Mario Kart. Would be more of a compliment honestly.

 

[Kerotan]

gone home doesn't have any action and got wildly good scores. there are all kinds of non-shooters that are beloved.

game is boring, some people didn't like it. Stop avoiding criticism.

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Gone home has a similar metacritic to death Stranding.

 

[Kuro]

Kojima threads on this forum are fucking cancer. You'd think he was Randy Pitchford with the way people react to him.

 

[karmitt]

Woulda been a better game if the entire backpack was actually just a rack of guns. And you get to shoot bang the landscape away when you walking forward and rock gets in the way.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Did Italy and France rate it higher than countries like the UK, Spain, and Germany?

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Edge definitely hates it the most out of any outlet and they're in the UK, IDK.

 

[Gilver]

Yeah, it's so eye roll inducing.

Makes you appreciate how awesome and modest Itsuno is.

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Itsuno is a humble cutie-pie.

 

[Betty]

And people though red dead redemption 2 was a polarizing game. It's fascinating seeing the reviews for this game. It seems everyone either absolutely loves it or hates it.

My favorite quote from the reviews I read was "Death Stranding is an irredeemable piece of garbage"

https://stevivor.com/reviews/death-stranding-review-dead-arrival/

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Still gives it a 3.5.... like why not a 0 or 1 lol.

 

[HK-47]

Did Italy and France rate it higher than countries like the UK, Spain, and Germany?

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I don't know the county by county breakdown, but Europe as a whole barely gave it higher marks than US outlets.

 

[Titanpaul]

This is not the only time the hate has come out though, it's been constant and it'll probably remain that way right up until his next release.

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I do wonder why now though. He didn't get this much hate with his prior games. His messaging right now doesn't help. I guess people just wanted metal gear?

 

[Deleted member 20630]

Kojima has done great stuff for the stealth and action genre and influenced others. Metal Gear Solid was a pioneering 3D blockbuster. I'm not sure Cage is as influential.

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I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about as a writer, but you're right.

To clarify for anyone responding to my initial post, I am comparing their writing chops. They are both over-indulgent hacks obsessed with Hollywood who would be laughed off the face of the Earth if they ever made an actual movie subject to scrutiny by film critics

 

[Lant_War]

'Different artistic sensibility ' doesn't like a very humble way to say it. I'm not a hater, just disagree with that approach to adressing different demographics.

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With Kojima, there's always stuff that's lost in translation, or that has a different connotation in japanese.

 

[Nome]

I can't believe you guys would say Kojima has an ego.
Would a man with an ego have a wall full of celebrity selfies at an art gallery for his game?

 

[Deleted member 21858]

Kojima should have stopped at MGS3

 

[Plum]

Did Italy and France rate it higher than countries like the UK, Spain, and Germany?

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Nobody knows. The Brits and Spaniards were too busy playing Fifa and the Germans just wanted to get back to their manual labour simulators.

 

[Mushlikeahusky]

as someone who has played 25 hours in 3 days I love death stranding
This was a dumb thing to say on his part but I get where he is coming from
It's a different experience for sure
I'm shocked I've been so addicted to it tbh
But it's one of my all time favorites already and it sucks so many people are flipping on such an original concept even if they don't love it.

 

[Gush]

Yeah, then MGS2 happened and a lot of people did not like the endless interrupting cutscenes, meta commentary or Raiden.

A lot of people in general just dismissed the series, called it a Movie Gear Solid, claimed it had no gameplay, etc.

But again, with the amount of cutscenes, crazy story and stealth gameplay it was definitely a niche series compared to many.

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A series that sells 50 million copies isn't niche, regardless of the small fraction of games that sell better.

Thief is a niche stealth series. Metal Gear is anything but.

 

[Umbrella Carp]

Couldn't agree more. Death Stranding is a little too dense and cerebral for the "me want shooty bang boom" crowd.

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Jesus Christ...

 

[RedRum]

Kojima threads on this forum are fucking cancer. You'd think he was Randy Pitchford with the way people react to him.

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Cancer because people disliked someone that basically categorized an entire country as dudebros?

 

[Van Bur3n]

An Australian in its natural habitat, confounded by Kojima's brilliance.

 

[Deleted member 20630]

Pre MGS5 I would have vehemently disagreed with this but after seeing all the shit hes pulled since then agree 100%.

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Before Death Stranding I would have put MGS4 as Kojima at his worst.

MGS 3 was arguably Kojima at his peak, and he had two other (imo far superior) writers, including Fukushima, working with him.

 

[Godzilla24]

Oh no. No. Nononono.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

I can't believe you guys would say Kojima has an ego.
Would a man with an ego have a wall full of celebrity selfies at an art gallery for his game?

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lol

 

[Betty]

I do wonder why now though. He didn't get this much hate with his prior games. His messaging right now doesn't help. I guess people just wanted metal gear?

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There has always been an undercurrent of it but it really just reared it's head throughout the whole Death Stranding development and release.

 

[Barnabas Reynolds]

Couldn't agree more. Death Stranding is a little too dense and cerebral for the "me want shooty bang boom" crowd.

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Fucking LOL, there's no way this is real.

 

[Deleted member 20630]

Imagine comparing Kojima, one of the all-time greats, to fucking David Cage.

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Your post has as little substance as the average Kojima story.

 

[Dothraki Horse]

Kojima really needs to stop acting like his UPS simulator game is some sort of revolutionary world-defining experience. It's a game about delivering packages where you fall down a lot.

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The game has a deeper meaning and some of you have some hard time to comprehended.

 

[BassForever]

Why is everyone getting offended that he said Americans like FPS games, when Americans do in fact like FPS games? Is it because someone non-American said it?

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It's just a lazy way to discredit people who dislike Death Stranding. It's the kind of argument I'd expect a message board fanboy to make, not one of the most influential developers in the entire gaming industry.

 

[HK-47]

Nobody knows. The Brits and Spaniards were too busy playing Fifa and the Germans just wanted to get back to their manual labour simulators.

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But Death Stranding is a manual labor simulator

 

[BrutalInsane]

Fartman McUpOwnButtMan

 

[Skittles]

Death stranding is the the rick and morty of games confirmed

 

[fieldafar]

Still gives it a 3.5.... like why not a 0 or 1 lol.

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A 0 or 1 would imply Death Stranding is completely broken, when it clearly isn't.

 

[Nax]

Oh no. No. Nononono.

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Is this a Get Out reference?

 

[Kuro]

Cancer because people disliked someone that basically categorized an entire country as dudebros?

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You are being willfully ignorant considering every single thread that even mentions Kojima you have dozens of people calling him a talentless hack, shitting on DS without having even played it, and even making alt accounts to do so.

Yeah he's upset IGN gave him a low score when their European versions all scored him highly and yeah he has a massive ego but that doesn't excuse the way people talk about him on here. Shit is toxic. People attacking his fans as well.

 

[Deleted member 20630]

Imagine comparing Kojima, one of the all-time greats, to fucking David Cage.

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This post has about as little substance as the average Kojima story.

I can't believe you guys would say Kojima has an ego.
Would a man with an ego have a wall full of celebrity selfies at an art gallery for his game?

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It's shocking that a man whose name appears five times in the opening credits of his latest game and whose name appeared at the start of every mission in his previous game buys into his own mythologized status a bit too much.

 

[Betty]

A series that sells 50 million copies isn't niche, regardless of the small fraction of games that sell better.

Thief is a niche stealth series. Metal Gear is anything but.

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But 3.5 doesn't sound like an irredeemable garbage worthy score to me.

Irredeemable garbage is literally 0 or 1, the reviewer even says he uses the full scale.

 

[Deleted member 20630]

You are being willfully ignorant considering every single thread that even mentions Kojima you have dozens of people calling him a talentless hack, shitting on DS without having even played it, and even making alt accounts to do so.

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You're gonna need to provide a whole lot of evidence for some of those claims.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

I thought it was one of the best PSP games made better when it got HD treatment.

You can have your own opinion about the story but I thought it was a huge improvement over Portable Ops and streamlined a lot of what made that game decent.

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I didn't have any problem with the story, but I couldn't stand the tedium of sending enemy soldiers off in fulton balloons. Wasn't there some boring base building too? I haven't played it since the HD collection came out, but coming off MGS4 and the HD versions of 2 and 3, PW just felt like having straight up bad, tedious gameplay in comparison.

 

[Furisco]

Kojima really loves the taste of his own dick

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Just like his fans

 

[Vamphuntr]

Kojima threads on this forum are fucking cancer. You'd think he was Randy Pitchford with the way people react to him.

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Kojima threads are much more entertaining though. Pitchford is upfront slimy considering his USB key scandal, the way he manages gearbox and his twitter posts.

With Kojima it's a war between his hardcore fans and haters and it's frankly hilarious to watch.One side tries to paint him as a martyr and an intellectual and the other as a pretentious hack.

I'm always surprised about how this place has such a dedicated base for Kojima considering the amount of people here starting crusades over materials they find non inclusive and offensive.

 

[Chirotera]

Imagine worshipping this guy

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I don't have to imagine it, friend. Would you like one of our pamphlets?

 

[Kyra]

is it not selling well or something?

 

[Betty]

I didn't have any problem with the story, but I couldn't stand the tedium of sending enemy soldiers off in fulton balloons. Wasn't there some boring base building too? I haven't played it since the HD collection came out, but coming off MGS4 and the HD versions of 2 and 3, PW just felt like having straight up bad, tedious gameplay in comparison.

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You didn't play portable ops then ha, in that game you had to DRAG soldiers SLOWLY back to a truck each at a time.

In comparison the fulton system was so fluid and quick.

And yes there was base building, and a lot of people liked it (some didn't admittedly).

 

[Wamb0wneD]

I just cannot get the hate some have for him.

He's like Suda51 or Swery but actually successful and makes good games.

People just so desperately want him to fail or go out of business and it's so petty.

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Suda51 or Swery don't make stupid ass, condescenting, pretentious comments like the one this thread is about when a game of theirs gets mixed receptions. Suda51 or Swery also aren't blatantly sexist, then go tell people nonsense like "you'll be ashamed of your words and deeds", and then get a free pass for it from their annoying fans. They don't go around proclaiming new genres, with the fanbase lapping it up in seconds, only to then walk back because they realized most people saw through their nonsense.

Maybe Suda51 and Swery just aren't as utterly unlikeable as Kojima is.

 

[HK-47]

Kojima threads are much more entertaining though. Pitchford is upfront slimy considering his USB key scandal, the way he manages gearbox and his twitter posts.

With Kojima it's a war between his hardcore fans and haters and it's frankly hilarious to watch.One side tries to paint him as a martyr and an intellectual and the other as a pretentious hack.

I'm always surprised about how this place has such a dedicated base for Kojima considering the amount of people here starting crusades over materials they find non inclusive and offensive.

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I'd prefer sexist over pretentious.

 

[L Thammy]

Honest question: when did Kojima start being framed as high art? Whether by himself or other people. At the start of his career he was obsessed with popcorny American action movies and blatantly ripped from them.