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Kojima on Death Stranding: “Even now, I don’t understand the game”
- Thread starter vestan
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I get what he's saying. Kojima thinks (knows?) he's created a new genre, but is unable to definitively define it just yet.
If you've spent anytime alive on this Earth in this decade in history then you should know better.
Sold my ps4 yesterday because I couldn't understand it....jk I wanna play Death Stranding on the ps5 when everyone already has an understanding on the game....
"That makes me even more hyped! Preordered the collectors edition!"
I mean if you look at it both the theme and gameplay of Death Stranding seem to, from what we've seen so far, be very easy to summarise:
Theme: The importance of connections between people
Gameplay: Open-World Exploration & Traversal with Stealth/Action and Multiplayer elements
And that's fine. Themes and gameplay don't have to be incredibly convoluted for them to be good.
My concern is that, because he believes that he's making something "completely new," and that his game is deep enough to justify such a phrase that both the gameplay and theme will be bogged down by needless weirdness that, frankly, will add nothing to either the theme or the gameplay of the game. I keep making the comparison but it really reminds me of Twin Peaks: Season 3 where Lynch chose to twist a very simple story into something tedious and convoluted because there was no-one to wrangle in the 'wackiness'. Unless you're making something relatively short-form (and even then) I honestly think that throwing whatever you want out there without any regard for what it actually says is a bad way to make art.
Theme: The importance of connections between people
Gameplay: Open-World Exploration & Traversal with Stealth/Action and Multiplayer elements
And that's fine. Themes and gameplay don't have to be incredibly convoluted for them to be good.
My concern is that, because he believes that he's making something "completely new," and that his game is deep enough to justify such a phrase that both the gameplay and theme will be bogged down by needless weirdness that, frankly, will add nothing to either the theme or the gameplay of the game. I keep making the comparison but it really reminds me of Twin Peaks: Season 3 where Lynch chose to twist a very simple story into something tedious and convoluted because there was no-one to wrangle in the 'wackiness'. Unless you're making something relatively short-form (and even then) I honestly think that throwing whatever you want out there without any regard for what it actually says is a bad way to make art.
Yeah, that statement's kind of spooky for me.
The more revealed about this game, the more I think I'll just wait for a discount.
But I love the batshit crazy of Kojima's games, so... *shrug*
The more revealed about this game, the more I think I'll just wait for a discount.
But I love the batshit crazy of Kojima's games, so... *shrug*
That peeing gameplay was just riveting. Truly next level stuff there. Is there place where I can brush my teeth in the game? I'd love to be able to do that too. Oh, and I'd like to see a feature where I can sort my socks. That'd be super fun. Hopefully they'll add that in DLC.
I'm not a Kojima fanboy by any means, but the users I see on this board pretending this game won't be amazing or at the very least super interesting on some level are just being asinine.
Glad you added the bolded cuz I personally have no reason to consider what I've seen so far as "amazing"
Enjoy seeing so many posters get so upset about this or anything death stranding related really
Hahaha :D First thing that crossed my mind reading their comment.
"Death Stranding has actually already been launched ever since humans have existed. It has always been within us"
DS is very clearly an example of an experience made of the sum of its parts, and we won't really realize that until we play it. Take any particular piece of footage on it's own and nothing is super impressive or revolutionary yet, but I guarantee you once we understand the gameplay loop better, and know more about the story, it's going to feel really, really good.
You could say the same thing about something like RDR2 before it came out. Walking? Ok. Riding a horse? Aight. Shooting guys? Done that before. It's the delicate balance of all of these things in front of a dense and fascinating setting that makes it a glorious experience.
God i'm so completely bored with everything related to DS. I really just want it to come out already, get a 95% Metacritic or whatever (I can see Edge and anyone else pretentious wanking themselves into a catatonic frenzy over this game), do whatever amount of sales the Sony Marketing Hype Machine will generate and then fuck off and give us a break from anything Kojima related. Until he inevitably makes his next ALL NEW GENRE game that defies "categorisation", inspires endless news articles and threads and the cycle will continue.
It'd be funny to take this super literally and imagine Kojima walking around the office talking to different artists, completely confused.
"So, we're building this part of the--"
"What is it?"
"Huh? It's what you asked for."
"I don't understand it."
"What's not to understand?"
"If I knew that, I wouldn't be asking."
"What do you want me to do then?"
"I don't know. Keep it up. Bye."
"Bye...?"
"So, we're building this part of the--"
"What is it?"
"Huh? It's what you asked for."
"I don't understand it."
"What's not to understand?"
"If I knew that, I wouldn't be asking."
"What do you want me to do then?"
"I don't know. Keep it up. Bye."
"Bye...?"
Your guarantees don't really mean anything here given that you presumably haven't played the game. I'll wait for reviews and decide from there, simple as that.
And using RDR2 as an example doesn't work for me lol, as I largely did not care for its tedious gameplay.
I think the issue there is that RDR2 got by a lot on its rather amazing writing and character-work. From what we've seen of Death Stranding I honestly don't see much else other than archetypes with weird character quirks, and after MGSV I really don't have much faith in Kojima's ability to tell an incredibly moving story when placed on his own (as he was back then).
There's also the issue where some of the 'parts' might actually detract from the 'sum'. There's a very real possibility that the game just has so much random dumb stuff in it (and the trailers that are literally just technobabble kind of points to this) that it obscures what it's actually going for. Like, you can definitely criticise RDR2's more tedious elements but you can't deny that those were there to add to the game as a whole; will you really be able to say the same for the no-doubt tens of different random terms and complicated concepts that Death Stranding has and will have?
inb4 this game reviews well for being a piece of video game "art" since so many people in the video game industry bow to Kojima - when really it's just kind of a bad game.
