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Kotaku - As Destiny 2 Players Rage, Bungie Struggles To Respond
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It's interesting that he's doing largely a console (Destiny 2) playerbase comparison to a PC playerbase comparison without even attempting to control for the differences in those two playerbases.
It's interesting numbers, although I think what I brought up could be potentially very problematic.
idk why people always quote this article. Literally from the damn article:
"They rebooted the first DLC pack, December 2014's The Dark Below, scant months before it was due to ship, according to two sources. (One person familiar with development says Bungie sequestered a team and had them crunch out Dark Below in just nine weeks, which may explain how insubstantial it was.)"
So again, his post was bullshit
I've always felt like Bungie has assumed they could continue their practices from the Halo days and communicate as little as possible with their community. Give them the weekly update, maybe respond a few times in the forums and then call it good. And that just won't cut it anymore, especially for a franchise like Destiny. It's always online and that kinda demands a company willing to engage with its players far more frequently. I do legitimately think Bungie thought D2 was an improvement, and in a lot of ways it was. Coupled with the demands of Activision, they did the best they could in the timeframe given to them. What isn't excusable is how things have been handled since launch, and I think it's the fault of the company just not being able or willing to be more transparent.
Transparency is key right now. The lack of trust with developers and publishers is at an all-time high and Bungie would be wise to basically open themselves up and be a bit more direct with their community.
Transparency is key right now. The lack of trust with developers and publishers is at an all-time high and Bungie would be wise to basically open themselves up and be a bit more direct with their community.
Not thankful, but it's certainly a positive and enjoyable aspect of the game, and a far cry better than the campaign in not only the previous game, but most multiplayer centric shooters too, eg Battlefield, Call of Duty, Halo 5 etc.
I somewhat agree, but this is partly because many exotics in D1 were simply ridiculously OP. Stuff like Gjallarhorn, Suros Regime, Vex Mythoclast, The Last Word, Thorn etc, many of which needed several nerfs. Whilst exotics in D2 aren't as OP or beneficial, at least weapons, on the whole, are far better balanced, and you don't need to no life the game to get all the good stuff, like you did in D1. Hell, I put 300 hours into D1, did the Raid multiple times et all, and never got a Gjallarhorn from a single drop. The game had insidious RnG systems that had no respect for player time.
Abhorrent? Lol. It's not as good as D1, but I'd hardly call it abhorrent. It's fun, reasonably well balanced and controls great, the problem for me is the team kill aspect of it. If you're someone who prefers team killing and staying in packs, you'll likely enjoy it, if you're someone who prefers 1v1's and 1v2's, 1v3's etc, you probably won't as much.
Well, that's your opinion but I strongly disagree, and evidently, journalists did too given it reviewed very well (85% on meta with 93 reviews).
I personally think it has a massive amount of content, pretty much more than any other shooter out there. Easily enough for me to personally sink over 200+ hours into it, and enjoy most of it. How much end game content there is really depends on how much free time a person has. If you're someone who games for hours and hours on end, each and every day, of course endgame content will be limited. If however, you're a casual player who can only invest so much time, there's enough in D2 to last months.
Also from that article:
What was to be the last third of vanilla Destiny was later sold as an expansion based solely upon that location. And lets add the fact that they also added MTX in to have the playerbase cover some of the costs of Bungie not having their shit together.
If you want to be incredibly disingenuous, yeah you can say "they cut content to sell it to you later" while ignoring absolutely all context and reasoning for cutting the content or why it needed to be cut at the time and stage of development.
Game development is crazy hard work, shit happens, and we can get lost in the weeds of it. But ultimately vanilla Destiny was not at all the game that was originally intended in terms of content, and we only saw that content much later on in paid expansions, and in Destiny 2.
What in that quote gives you the indication that they intentionally cut back content to sell it piece meal later. If anything the wording implies the content was already cut (for a clearly ambiguous reason) and ended up being retooled for the DLC. This happens in lots of game development and often times this cut content is retooled into sequels or dlc.
It's kind of a non-issue though? Heck even in one of your posted excerpts content that was pushed off to Destiny 2 never made it to the final game. There isn't some nefarious reason behind it, the development of these games has just been that incredibly poorly managed that content that's been planned and worked on for over half a decade still can't make it into a game.
Got my $60 worth but it's funny thinking back on D1 how I didn't see the hype and thought people where blowing the game up for no reason, only to rent it on a whim a week after launch and became utterly enamored with it through TTK vs D2 where I could see the writing on the wall that things where going in a direction I didn't like but I still bought it anyway a day after release against my better judgement.
Haven't played it in about a month, and I probably haven't been actively interested in what I was doing in the game since about week 2 or 3. Game is a pretty big disappointment, and I highly doubt Bungie is gonna fix the design issues plaguing it until the third TTK sized expansion in a year at the earliest but I wouldn't be surprised the shallow endgame, boring pvp, uninspired loot, and recycled assets are here to stay till Destiny 3.
Haven't played it in about a month, and I probably haven't been actively interested in what I was doing in the game since about week 2 or 3. Game is a pretty big disappointment, and I highly doubt Bungie is gonna fix the design issues plaguing it until the third TTK sized expansion in a year at the earliest but I wouldn't be surprised the shallow endgame, boring pvp, uninspired loot, and recycled assets are here to stay till Destiny 3.
Well I certainly don't think they twirled their mustaches and laughed as they made these decisions. I'm just talking about the end result which is that content meant for launch wasn't ready and was later packaged as an expansion in the case of the Dreadnaught, and in new areas in Destiny 2. And because Bungie couldn't produce the amount and quality of content they had planned for, players got saddled with complicated and grindy drip-feed progression systems and later microtransactions, which have further affected the systems of the game.
My main takeaway is that Bungie doesn't do rapid. But because they promised exactly that to Activision the games have been bent towards trying to make do with less, to their detriment.
lol....
It must be so annoying to work on games nowadays where if you put anything out but the non-existent ideal game people have imagined in their heads you're supposed to "resign".
Video game fans are the worst people. If you don't like Destiny 2 just play a different game. Don't waste more of your life bitching and crying to the developers because you feel entitled to something you did zero work on.
lol....
It must be so annoying to work on games nowadays where if you put anything out but the non-existent ideal game people have imagined in their heads you're supposed to "resign".
Video game fans are the worst people. If you don't like Destiny 2 just play a different game. Don't waste more of your life bitching and crying to the developers because you feel entitled to something you did zero work on.
There are plenty of people that are worse than the most rabid of video game fans.
You obviously haven't heard of movie/comic fans.
lol....
It must be so annoying to work on games nowadays where if you put anything out but the non-existent ideal game people have imagined in their heads you're supposed to "resign".
Video game fans are the worst people. If you don't like Destiny 2 just play a different game. Don't waste more of your life bitching and crying to the developers because you feel entitled to something you did zero work on.
Also, scrub the world entitled from your vocabulary. It's such a cop-out argument.
Not sure what you mean here, as what I said is fact and you are the one questioning in ignorance?
lol....
It must be so annoying to work on games nowadays where if you put anything out but the non-existent ideal game people have imagined in their heads you're supposed to "resign".
Video game fans are the worst people. If you don't like Destiny 2 just play a different game. Don't waste more of your life bitching and crying to the developers because you feel entitled to something you did zero work on.
Well if you bought the game and you fit the first bullet point their assumption was correct.
There are many examples of people acting entitled in relation to games and this is not one of them. Most of those points are valid. Bungie/Activision have purposely mislead players in some cases.
lol....
It must be so annoying to work on games nowadays where if you put anything out but the non-existent ideal game people have imagined in their heads you're supposed to "resign".
Video game fans are the worst people. If you don't like Destiny 2 just play a different game. Don't waste more of your life bitching and crying to the developers because you feel entitled to something you did zero work on.