You really think she would have been fired for blocking people on Twitter? Really?
Kotaku: GW2 writers fired after Twitter argument. GG pressured firing.
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That was just a hypothetical. Henning absolutely wouldn't do something like that.
For your second point I agree that you don't HAVE to, but there are some quality devs out there that are abrasive as hell and would have no problem broadcasting how professional they are in very condescending ways like the aforementioned Kamiya.
The context is Deroir was a big fan of JP, and had publicly shown his admiration for her work in the past.
Then she posted a thread on twitter, and he respectfully disagreed, without ever minimizing her opinions, minimizing her career, or anything of that nature.
She then called him an asshat and a sexist for disagreeing with her.
Are we not allowed to disagree with others on a public forum?
It was part of a pattern of behavior on her part and was damaging ArenaNet's relationship with its community. How on earth is that 'not worthy of notice'? She acted like an asshole and while I agree that I don't think it should have cost her her job it was definitely not something that anyone should have ignored.
It really does show some peoples' true colours. Apparently it's ok to be an elitist asshole to someone because hey, the guy who dared to strike up an extremely mild argument on Twitter is a nobody, and everyone knows that if you're a nobody, then you don't deserve even a basic level of respect. Let's not blame the writer's godawful social skills, it's the streamer's fault for daring to speak to her on a public forum.
and we should never try to change things or even say it's a problem, this is the only way it can ever be
I’m sorry, do you mind sharing where your NPC is in the game?
That she was targetted for being a women, and that anet enabled GG by firing her.
There are some people arguing, in this thread, that the youtuber was being sexist by mansplaining her when it was anything but that, and that gg somehow did this when it was just reddit outrage at her being a dick.
He just said that she was wrong and that implementing his ideas would improve the game, yeah that's not telling how to her job, Not At All
I mean it does add in more context that she said that to basically a GW2 partner, which might have possibly contribute to her firing or whatever more than if it really was just some nobody.
Arenanet opened a can of worms by firing Price. Whether you think she deserves it or not is irrelevant. Now you have a bunch of female devs second guess engaging on any social media because all it takes is one perceived slight by the anti-SJW hatemob that targets Price and other female devs and they'll mob a game company's twitter with faux concern over their employees behavior:
This has always happened before but we all saw that Reddit post: Now they feel emboldened to do this more.
This has always happened before but we all saw that Reddit post: Now they feel emboldened to do this more.
Great contribution to this topic.
Threads likely going to get locked soon anyway so I'm out.
I mean listen to your own post, dismissive, condencsing and labeling a whole community. Does that sound rational? there are better people to be empathy towards. The general topic of harassment towards woman in gaming doesn't give anyone the right, to be complete jackass to someone not being mean or anything of the sort. But is turned into the thing that sets them off. When it could have all been avoided, with out any insults.
I take Shaun's stance on this:
Price would have been one of the people unfollowed.
He was called an "asshat", he will survive. Maybe next time he will not act like one.
Personally I find the way Kamiya "broadcasts his professionalism" takes away from his professionalism most of the time.
He replied to a tweet she posted. That’s what you do on Twitter. If she didn’t want people posting comments she could of disabled that. Again, he’s a prominent GW2 player so he has significant merit in the community. She could of done a million other things which would of been better than what she did.
You open yourself up to an audience if you use your twitter as an extension of your professional career. Oh and are we only allowed to criticize something, if we have experience in the field? Shit, time to cancel all reviewers, those Homer Simpsons never coded a day in their life. Come on, dawg.
That's not how this works and you know it.
For a guy you admit you and your friends never heard of, why are you so down on him?
What a moronic comment. You're basically making the point that she wasn't fired because of the tweets, while previously having clamored about rich people being able to say whatever they want.
i welcome this discussion in the alternate universe where anet's response to this was something proportionate like a private conversation with hr asking her to mediate her social media presence differently in the future
She didn't have to reply. Nor do he have to comment, but she was doing a ama and it's on twitter. This is what people do.
It's not a spectre, and like it or not, this event has led to discussion among loads of devs about this type of fan behavior.
To make it even worse, in this case said customer was in fact being perfectly polite.
"opened a can of worms" -> Second time this one example has been posted so far.
Whipping up a giant right-wing hate mob on the internet generally knocks you down a few points on my respect scale.
no i'm saying she was fired because the fanbase of most games are made up of hypersensitive entitled crybabies who would take being blocked about as well as they'd take being called out for shitty behavior
But he was already not acting like one.
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Are people reading the tweets? Do people understand twitter is a social platform, and if you tweet, do not be surprised if someone tries to have a conversation?
Well he was. Then again, you're compiling a lot of opinions from different people in one supposed narrative, so yeah? And she was targeted because she's a woman. Fries is the victim of fallout of said harassment and because ArenaNet doesn't value his employees.
He was being about as polite as possible throughout the entire thing, what are you even talking about?
in what way did he act like one? because if his behavior fits that description then I don't see how anyone could have disagreed with her without being labeled as such
I don;t disagree with that (I myself am not following anyone that celebrated his death on the day of, at least that I noticed anyway). I'm just saying it's understandable and I don't believe it should be a fireable offense like some people in this thread are saying.
He literally started off by saying “Really interesting thread to read!” Then disagreed “slightly” and ended it with saying “I appreciate the insightful thread”
How the hell could you be any more kind?
Why does it matter if I understand it? I'm not the one calling the shots. It doesn't matter what I think at all.
Youtube content creators have a ton of power, whether we like it or not.
Company's are not going to just ignore that.
Internet fan perception of a game can make or break it, and streamers play a huge role in that.
So do you know how the conversation went? We don't know all the details here.
What if they asked that and she refused?
I don't know much of this lady, but going by her social media pressence, she does not seem very nice.
If his twitter replies are sexist mansplaning then those phrases mean nothing.
We can be a progressive community and still point out where she was clearly toxic and in the wrong.
He whipped up a hate mob because he was the target of a disproportionally harsh response of a benign criticism? Like, he didn't defend her afterwards, but he didn't hate on her.
She already had a hate mob on her and he actually expressed respect for her beforehand.
He wasn't acting like an asshat. The people harassing her afterwards were though. That's the other side of the issue.
He didn't act like an asshat at all. He was super polite and courteous throughout.
But I guess that doesn't fit the narrative.
Directly quote the tweets in which he was being an asshat. Don't paraphrase, don't summarize, just link the tweets you believe were him being the asshat. That's all.
Reviews and normal feedback don't include talking and confronting directly the people behind the works being reviewed.
And surely wouldn't include the danger of being fired by calling something bad to the people trying to tell you how to do your job.
Shaun and others are free to mute those people, but it's absurd to expect everyone, especially those he may have victimized, to stay silent and respect the grieving period.
They get fired.
Boss would come down, basically asking what the fuck am I doing, then show me the door. You don't go insulting the customer base for no reason.
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