let me try to make an analogy here
There has to be a more nuanced analogy than this.
It blows my mind how folks are trying to make this guy out to be some kind of mansplaining asshole when all he did was kinda disagree a bit by suggesting that it might be possible to make an MMORPG character compelling by giving meaningful branching dialogue options.
The guy thinks he can go at any dev at Arena. Net and have a "discussion" pm their job at their private Twitter accounts. Not thinks, he believes is a right inherent to him.
Not sure about pilots, cashiers and waiters, but I'm friends with 2 teachers and 1 doctor, all of which have received death threats or some other form of a threat (once there was even a bomb threat). Trust me, being a teacher at a highschool really sucks.
Again, I'm not talking about the reaction of the company, I'm talking about the reaction of those Reddit cesspools. Kamiya is lauded for being a complete asshole online, but a woman can't be a little snippy on social media.
No one is making him out to be an asshole. Just giving context why Price acted the way she did. Case in point:
But there are rules. There's no laws preventing you from saying it, but there's plenty of potential reactions to saying things in a public place. If you're going against the greater narrative, then yeah you're putting yourself at risk. The overton window hasn't reached a point where it's okay to celebrate the death of someone who isn't an unambiguous monster and expecting people to largely be okay with it. Possible consequences include being yelled at, blocked, banned from certain places, or losing your job. Other people were fired for celebrating TB's death, as they should be.
I was there from the beginning. People were getting banned before any mod edit in the OP.
How could this discussion have been had without the streamer mansplaining?
This is horrible. I would call child services.
Just because she says she felt it's justified doesn't mean it's justified. I'm sure gamergators think their shit is justified.
...It was a public twitter account where she lists her job position, nor did he private message her...
That's what most people are missing about this. You don't have to be like "lol u dum womz u dun know anything" for it to be mansplaining, and you can do it with good intentions to try to actually help out a situation. It's still ultimately about an inexperienced ineffectual man thinking he knows better than an experienced, educated woman.
This is a post hoc fallacy. Her reacting like this doesn't inherently mean that her reaction was justified by prior events. We simply do not have the required data to make that case.
First of all, imagine seriously, actually thinking "entitled" over that tweet.
This is an actual important point - I don't think Deroir is a horrible person, it was likely mostly subconscious, and he may step back and consider why it was considered rude - I doubt he intended it. But I can really understand why Price considered it so rude and snapped, she was a bit rude and probably did need to have a little talk with Areanet, but she didn't deserve to be fired, and it's all too understandble why she cracked under that comment.
It literally is his right to reply to people on a public forum.
Ok heres some workplace experience.
So.......mansplaining is literally whenever a man explains a woman his opinion on a topic said woman is working on in a professional capacity.
So he's a enemy regardless uh? nothing sort of apologizing, to price is warranted or saying that he was wrong somehow. That's totally relational.
Now let's say you're a senior employee that has been with the company since the earliest days of its existence.
Entitlement ahah
He can. Twitters a public website used for discourse. Anyone who posts anything publicly can have this happen to them. Not sure why he's entitled for what he did. He used the website well within the constraints of it. She did as well. She just made the mistake of doing so while being associated to her company thus becoming a negative representation of said company.
Most mansplaining that I see online comes from people who are trying to be friendly and helpful. It's still offensive, even though they 100% didn't mean for it to be. Deroir didn't mean to come across that way. There are literal rocket scientists on twitter that are women that get people trying to explain science to them. Women who write articles being linked to articles that they wrote. It's relentless day in and day out, even if people are trying to be nice it's an endless belittling of your experience and knowledge.
Holy shit. I can't.
Anger is never acceptable.
"Private twitter account"
Pretty sure gamergate assholes, KiA twats and Trump supporters also all think water is wet and summer is when things get hot. Agreeing with them on easily agreeable things doesn't mean you condone or endorse them. Trump is a fucking moron but I'm sure he and I both agree that 1+1=2, and I can't say he's wrong there even if I hate him being right.
That's absolutely not what was described, but I do understand that it's GamerGater 101 to deliberately misunderstand points.
Im probably not understanding but are you implying that the dude was aggressive in the way he asked his questions?If so please explain.
Aw man, that sucks for him. Having an internet person you like shit on you is never fun.
That is exactly what you said. Exactly. And your immediate deflection to GG is not making you look any better.
Is his right to answer, is not his right to have a discussion if the other party doesn't want to hear on her free time about some random dude thinks he can do your job better.
Even so, let’s pretend that is the case. No job worth their salt will tell you to let a customer abuse you and will tell you to put a stop toot without resorting to insults or yelling. However this wasn’t a shitty customer. So bad comparison there.
Not sure if you realize how dystopian that is. If the expectation of US companies is in fact that you are an indentured servant who represents the company as an unpaid marketer every moment of your life, then the only sensible thing for game developers to do is to just not be on social media. At all. But I suspect that wouldn't go over well with the "fans" and their colossal sense of entitlement towards developers' time and attention either.
Hello I slightly disagree with you. Resetera is a public forum for discourse and we should be able to engage. Thank you for the post, and I hope to hear your thoughts!
Where does he say he was entitled to a detailed response?
Absolutely not. It's mansplaining when a man who is uneducated and ill-informed on a topic tries to explain basic, simple concepts to a woman who is obviously educated and experienced on the topic.
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