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Midramble

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Apologies for the tongue in cheek title. Just got an email from my landlord trying to evict me and it has me a bit tired. The financial barrier blocking from owning and requiring me to rely on landlord's "services" provided, is a bit exhausting.

Long story short, Landlord has been trying to up my rent for a while now and now that they've found out I have a 2 cats (against lease agreement) they want me to get rid of them or move out.

Short story long, I've been in this city (San Francisco) for 15 years now and this particular apartment for 6. Got it at an affordable rent and it's rent controlled so I can't complain. Wife moved in 5 years ago and when that happened the landlord tried to get me to sign a new lease with a $800 rent increase. I politely ignored it since, from my understanding, you are not allowed to increase rent for the reason of a spouse moving in. I didn't fight it because I didn't want to rock the boat and start a war with the owner of the place I call home.

Things seem quiet. I always pay rent on time. I send batches of 4 months of checks ahead of time to make sure it's always ready for when they need to cash. I never complain about maintenance even though they never maintain the apartment (the landlord only shows up roughly once a year when a tenet moves out/moves in).

Fast forward 2 years of this and a close friend is getting evicted in another part of the city. They are couch surfing while looking for a new place so ask us to cat-sit their cat Chino. (Pic for effect)



He is a great cat and my wife take a liking to him. Having him around even seems to resolve her insomnia. Fast forward a couple of months and the friend's situation doesn't work out and they now need to find a permanent home for Chino or send him to a shelter. Since he had basically become family by this point and we couldn't stand to see him go to a shelter we offered to take him in. We get a note from our psychologist saying that my wife needs Chino and hope we can fall back on that.

Fast forward another 2 years later to early Covid. Landlords either haven't noticed from not being here or have silently accepted Chino being here assumedly as they silently accepted me not signing the $800 rent increase 5 years ago (though I had signed annual rent controlled increases in those years). Chino is very well behaved and has made no bathroom mistakes (cat's are easy maintenance) in the 2 years he's been here. That said he requires a lot of play time to keep from being frustrated. In that case, before things get totally locked down, my wife sees a neighborhood post for a feral stray kitten that the finding person is looking for a permanent home. Looking for a playmate for Chino we take her in. Shots, chip, spay and Mochi is the newest member of our family. (Pic for effect)


(They like shrimp rolling)

Chino and Mochi get along well. He shows her the ropes, and she tires him out. She also has never had a toilet mistake.

Fast forward another 4-5 months and the 4th tenet moveout/in, since Covid began, is under way (in a 4 unit apartment). At some point during this most recent move-in the landlords apparently see Mochi and Chino in the window and I get a call telling me they aren't happy. This morning they email reminding me the apartment is no-pet and allowing me to have pets would be unfair to other tenets they've turned away. The last half of the email reminds me I am currently in a month to month lease and my two options are to either get rid of Mochi and Chino or move out. I am also told I have 30 days to respond. They don't want to negotiate. Don't want to raise the security deposit. Don't want to meet with us or meet the cats. They want them and/or us gone.

And just like that the jig is up. I've never missed rent. I've always gotten along with neighbors. I've never complained. Even still I have to choose between my family and my home.

I know it's my fault for taking them in. My conscience wouldn't let me abandon Chino those years ago. It's even more out of the question now. I also can't complain as my total situation is still a lot better than most people right now. I still make my current full pay (though raises were canceled this year), and though my wife has diminished hours we still make enough to survive in a city as expensive as SF. I'm also lucky enough to afford to move. It will make things tighter with rent going up $500 at least wherever we go to, but we'll survive. Though I still love this city and always will, I wish the lords of this city would loosen their grip. I wish most of my friends weren't forced to move away due to ever increasing rent and buying being an impossibility. I wish this city was more than rows of $5 million dollar Victorian houses with cookie cutter progressive posters and mass printed "street art" taped up on windows that people peek from behind while calling the cops on the homeless collecting bottles out of their recycling. I miss this place having value beyond tech money. I miss San Francisco. That said, I guess San Francisco always had a hypocritical side that affects others a lot worse than me and it's telling that I still loved it still when it treated others more poorly. It feels like defending a terrible family member. You know they are wrong, you know they've hurt someone, but in the memory of your shared history and the good times you defend them, maybe even when you shouldn't.

It just sucks to lose my home like this. Somehow I got complacent and forgot the simple fact that when you rent you don't have a home.
 

CloseTalker

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hmm, that's a frustrating situation, sorry you have to move. It's tough if the building has a no-pet policy (which shouldn't be a thing in the first place, pet's make less mess, and cause less shit than humans do), I guess you knew you were playing with fire. I'm surprised the landlord didn't push harder on getting you to sign a new lease when your wife moved in, I would have assumed anyone permanently living there legally needed to be on the lease. But I could be dead wrong, I don't know how it works tbh.
 

gully state

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Register your cats as an emotional support animals. You just need the forms signed and a letter written by your primary care physician (Your landlord cannot ask about your health condition period) I believe your landlord can't evict you for having your cats once this is all set up under the Federal Fair Housing act. I don't know 100% if it'll work for your but this is the avenue I'd pursue. Especially in SF, I'd imagine it would hold up.
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck your landlord and tell them to take a hike. They can't legally evict you thanks to covid so take your time looking for a new place.
 

CloseTalker

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Register your cats as an emotional support animals. You just need the forms signed and a letter written by your primary care physician (Your landlord cannot ask about your health condition period) I believe your landlord can't evict you for having your cats once this is all set up under the Federal Fair Housing act. I don't know 100% if it'll work for your but this is the avenue I'd pursue. Especially in SF, I'd imagine it would hold up.
That's a good idea to look into. Would it work with multiple animals? That seems like a potential limitation, to avoid exploiting the concept
 

Zoe

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck your landlord and tell them to take a hike. They can't legally evict you thanks to covid so take your time looking for a new place.
Eviction protections apply to non-payment. Evictions can still happen due to other reasons.

Register your cats as an emotional support animals. You just need the forms signed and a letter written by your primary care physician (Your landlord cannot ask about your health condition period) I believe your landlord can't evict you for having your cats once this is all set up under the Federal Fair Housing act. I don't know 100% if it'll work for your but this is the avenue I'd pursue. Especially in SF, I'd imagine it would hold up.
Please don't register pets as ESA's. That is abusing the concept.
 

Shadybiz

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well I doubt the landlord can easily evict OP in a short period of time
Depends highly on the state, and I do not know what CA's laws are like. I know that NJ is one of the more "tenant friendly" states, but even here, if the landlord gets a competent lawyer to go through the process, a tenant can be evicted in 4-6 weeks.
 

Reym

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Ugh, I’m so sorry you’re going through this OP. I wish I had something more productive to add, but I’m heartened by your devotion to your family. For lack of a better phrase, I hope you all land on your feet!
 

Hippo_PRIME

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Register your cats as an emotional support animals. You just need the forms signed and a letter written by your primary care physician (Your landlord cannot ask about your health condition period) I believe your landlord can't evict you for having your cats once this is all set up under the Federal Fair Housing act. I don't know 100% if it'll work for your but this is the avenue I'd pursue. Especially in SF, I'd imagine it would hold up.
Actions like this are why airlines have banned emotional support animals. This is dishonest at best, fraud at worst. This is very bad advice.

OP: I hate landlords as much as the next person, but you knew the terms of your lease agreement. It sucks, but you opened yourself to this risk when you took actions that specifically violated that agreement. There's got to be a level of personal responsibility here.
 
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Midramble

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,944
San Francisco
Hmm, that's a frustrating situation, sorry you have to move. It's tough if the building has a no-pet policy (which shouldn't be a thing in the first place, pet's make less mess, and cause less shit than humans do), I guess you knew you were playing with fire. I'm surprised the landlord didn't push harder on getting you to sign a new lease when your wife moved in, I would have assumed anyone permanently living there legally needed to be on the lease. But I could be dead wrong, I don't know how it works tbh.
Wife is on the rent controlled increase leases. Just didn't accept the one that raise rent dramatically because of her moving in.

Register your cats as an emotional support animals. You just need the forms signed and a letter written by your primary care physician (Your landlord cannot ask about your health condition period) I believe your landlord can't evict you for having your cats once this is all set up under the Federal Fair Housing act. I don't know 100% if it'll work for your but this is the avenue I'd pursue. Especially in SF, I'd imagine it would hold up.
Eviction protections apply to non-payment. Evictions can still happen due to other reasons.



Please don't register pets as ESA's. That is abusing the concept.
We already have a note for Chino from our psychologist as he actually truly does remediate a need. Not one I mention here but it has dramatically helped with insomnia. The issue is Mochi is only 5 months old and too young to be an ESA. Mochi is a companion for Chino.

Fuck your landlord and tell them to take a hike. They can't legally evict you thanks to covid so take your time looking for a new place.
Not sure this is the case as I've kept up with rent. Sucks that the landlord couldn't at least wait for the virus to end (it seems they've been hurting for consistent tenets anyways) but they've been wanting to make this unit more expensive for a while now. Every new tenet that moves in here pays $1000 more than we do. The only one that pays less is a tenet that's been here a lot longer that I have. As for biding time, we'll reach out to tenet support groups for the area but I know they've been swamped recently.

It's funny that we actually have our appointment for DALP orientation (Downpayment Assistance Loan Program) today. A program where the city owns part of a first time buyer's house to essentially give a %0 interest loan up to half the value to help with downpayment, which applies to households within the median range of income for the city as it's been a dream since my teenage years to own here, but even after all the required workshops you go on a lottery list for years and years to get a chance to be selected for the program so it's not something we can expect to use, unless we win the lottery.
 

Wafflinson

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Nov 17, 2017
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Fuck landlords.

That said. You knew the pet rules and chose to break them. That sucks, but it was your choice.

I don't think banning pets is even in the top 100 scummy things landlords do.
 

voOsh

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Try to negotiate with them to move out in 60-90 days to allow more time to find a new place that works for your family.
 
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Midramble

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,944
San Francisco
Actions like this are why airlines have banned emotional support animals. This is dishonest at best, fraud at worst. This is very bad advice.

OP: I hate landlords as much as the next person, but you knew the terms of your lease agreement. It sucks, but you opened yourself to this risk when you took actions that specifically violated that agreement. There's got to be a level of personal responsibility here.
Fuck landlords.

That said. You knew the pet rules and chose to break them. That sucks, but it was your choice.

I don't think banning pets is even in the top 100 scummy things landlords do.
You are correct. I knew the risk when my friend needed a cat-sitter. I knew the risk when it came to finding a different home for Chino or sending him to a shelter. I was aware of the already existing risk when we added Mochi. I new this was a possibility, and even knowing so I chose the path I chose. I'll live with that. If I could negotiate another way like increasing security deposit, certified training, or any other way I would take that way, but I did choose this direction. In the presence of my circumstances I chose my actions. In the presence of their circumstances, my landlords are also choosing theirs.

In the end regardless of my intention to cooperate and negotiate it's meaningless if they don't want to negotiate. They have the power.
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
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Whilst I really don't envy your situation, and hope you manage to get it sorted soon, I'm not overly surprised that the landlord has given you an ultimatum if you've knowingly breached the terms (technically, twice).

Especially if they'd previously accepted you refusing to pay higher rent (even if the reasoning behind that increase wasn't justifiable).

You say that they don't want to negotiate, but have you responded to their letter? What gives you that impression beyond the wording of the letter?

Thank you for being a responsible owner and not just tossing your lovely cats.
And also this - your cats are lovely.
 

Wafflinson

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Nov 17, 2017
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You are correct. I knew the risk when my friend needed a cat-sitter. I knew the risk when it came to finding a different home for Chino or sending him to a shelter. I was aware of the already existing risk when we added Mochi. I new this was a possibility, and even knowing so I chose the path I chose. I'll live with that. If I could negotiate another way like increasing security deposit, certified training, or any other way I would take that way, but I did choose this direction. In the presence of my circumstances I chose my actions. In the presence of their circumstances, my landlords are also choosing theirs.

In the end regardless of my intention to cooperate and negotiate it's meaningless if they don't want to negotiate. They have the power.
That was never on the table.

Many people specifically search out "pet friend" or "no pet" apartments for various reasons.

The moment they "negotiate" with one tenant on that they become unable to advertise as such.
 

Lumination

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Oct 26, 2017
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You are correct. I knew the risk when my friend needed a cat-sitter. I knew the risk when it came to finding a different home for Chino or sending him to a shelter. I was aware of the already existing risk when we added Mochi. I new this was a possibility, and even knowing so I chose the path I chose. I'll live with that. If I could negotiate another way like increasing security deposit, certified training, or any other way I would take that way, but I did choose this direction. In the presence of my circumstances I chose my actions. In the presence of their circumstances, my landlords are also choosing theirs.

In the end regardless of my intention to cooperate and negotiate it's meaningless if they don't want to negotiate. They have the power.
You say you understand the circumstances and the risk, yet you still blame the landlord. Landlords choose to not allow pets for reasons that usually don't include, "to make life harder for you for no reason".
 

Unfunny

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You need to research your legal rights immediately, both California eviction laws and federal disability protections given you have a letter from your psychologist. I am not allowed to give legal advice, but you may have options that allow you to keep the cats and avoid eviction. However, I think it is likely wrong that Mochi doesn't qualify as an ESA due to her age. You need to do your own research as to what the federal courts have said on that issue. What I would recommend you do, not as a lawyer but as a citizen, is consider getting paperwork for Mochi as well. Then find a lawyer who specializes in LLT on the tenant side, take your documentation to them, and ask them to represent you in this matter. If you cannot afford a lawyer, look into local legal aid. I will say, even if you have to dish out money for a lawyer, it might well be worth it if you are in a rent controlled apartment paying $800 less a month than its market value. You also have to consider that your landlord is going to be very motivated to get rid of you if you are paying that much below market in rent. They may force you into court to try to drive up your legal costs even if the law is favorable to you. And following this issue, you may have to get legal assistance when you need repairs if they refuse to make timely repairs. You need to decide if fighting it is worth it, and only you know the answer to that question. But, I would say if you intend to be at that apartment for any length of time and it is saving you $800 a month, I would doubt your legal fees would outweigh the benefits. Once again, though, that is something you need to discuss with an attorney.
 

RedNalgene

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Depends if you want to fight this OP. But you'll probably need to get a lawyer's help. Don't believe ANYTHING your landlord says as far as what he can use to evict you - he can say anything he wants, even if it's untrue. But it sounds like if having pets are against the lease that you signed, you're boned.

I know in NYC it takes months to evict someone, but as others have said, it will leave a mark on your background check for another rental. So you might not want to do that. That being said (also in NYC) it's harder to evict people in rent controlled apartments...not sure if that's the case in SF too. But it sounds to me like your options are to either get rid of the cats or move.
 

Unfunny

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You say you understand the circumstances and the risk, yet you still blame the landlord. Landlords choose to not allow pets for reasons that usually don't include, "to make life harder for you for no reason".
GTFO with this BS. They breached their contract, but they know that. Doesn't need a lecture. Most likely LL won't negotiate not bc of the pets but bc its rent controlled.

In cities like SF, landlords provide no relative value. They purchase all available housing and every day people are forced to do business with them if they want to live and work there. Further, many times they are the most vocal opponents to further development outside of expensive luxury apartments. Zoning boards are some of the most shady, corrupt shit in politics. LLs are leeches
 
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AGoodODST

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Well you broke the terms of the lease by getting a cat snd then broke it again by getting a second cat. Landlords can and in many cases are shitty but I can’t really find fault here. If anything it is irresponsible to take in one let alone two pets into a property that you weren’t allowed, knowing that it might put you in a situation that you would have to give them up and put them in a shelter.

I know Era is going to be like “fuck landlord scum!” but I disagree. You can’t expect landlords to adhere to all laws and rules 100% and then pick and choose what terms of the lease you want to adhere too. I don’t think abusing the ESA situation to try keep the second cat is a particularly good look either and I don’t get why folk are suggesting that when the scheme has been ruined already in certain cases by people doing just this.

Hopefully you manage to sort something out though, your cats look super cool.
 

Mammoth Jones

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Oct 25, 2017
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Personally? I’d get rid of the cats. No pets no eviction.

Doubly so when it’s a rent controlled unit. Sucks but that’s life. You broke the lease agreement, knew pets would be a problem. You gambled and lost shit happens.


Well you broke the terms of the lease by getting a cat snd then broke it again by getting a second cat. Landlords can and in many cases are shitty but I can’t really find fault here. If anything it is irresponsible to take in one let alone two pets into a property that you weren’t allowed, knowing that it might put you in a situation that you would have to give them up and put them in a shelter.

I know Era is going to be like “fuck landlord scum!” but I disagree. You can’t expect landlords to adhere to all laws and rules 100% and then pick and choose what terms of the lease you want to adhere too. I don’t think abusing the ESA situation to try keep the second cat is a particularly good look either and I don’t get why folk are suggesting that when the scheme has been ruined already in certain cases by people doing just this.

Hopefully you manage to sort something out though, your cats look super cool.
Exactly.
 

Lumination

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Oct 26, 2017
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GTFO with this BS. He breached his contract, but he knows that. Doesn't need a lecture. Most likely LL won't negotiate not bc of the pets but bc its rent controlled.

In cities like SF, landlords provide no relative value. They purchase all available housing and every day people are forced to do business with them if they want to live and work there. Further, many times they are the most vocal opponents to further development outside of expensive luxury apartments. Zoning boards are some of the most shady, corrupt shit in politics. LLs are leeches
Nah. I'm not here to defend landlords as a concept. They can't even fall under the dubious title of "job creator" that people like to use for others of similar power. But OP signed a contract that was not conceived from ill will or taking egregious advantage of someone of his situation and proceeded to break it twice. They can appeal for sympathy and paint the landlord as a bad person as much as they want, but that's all a distraction from the basic premise. I don't see how a rant against the bourgeois really does anything but distort the takeaway here.
 

mugurumakensei

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They didn't acquire the first cat for the purpose of an ESA, and the second cat certainly wasn't.
the first cat still has a legit claim as an ESA. The second one however still has the problem of no basis as being an ESA unless as you said the OP abuses the concept.
 

Parch

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The BC SPCA in Canada has been on a campaign to change laws to allow more pet friendly rentals. They're getting more and more pets in shelters just because there are so few housing options for pet owners. Even when renters are willing to pay more, they can't find a place that accepts pets.
 

Baphomet

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It’s a bad situation, but I can’t really feel too bad for you Op, you knew there were no pets allowed , as hard as it is if I was in your shoes and no real alternatives, I would get rid of the cats (easier said than done) but you must put you and your wife first.
 
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Landlords suck but you willingly broke the lease by housing a pet in there and just hoping that they wouldn't notice. Getting a note from your psychologist isnt a magic get out of jail free card, you have to actually get the pet registered as one which is already a dubious ethical thing since animals being mislabed as ESA to get them into an apartment ruins it for everyone that actually needs a support animal. Theres a reason landlords dont allow animals, they can cause damage to the apartment that is really hard to clean, cats especially
 

Hippo_PRIME

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Oct 25, 2017
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You are correct. I knew the risk when my friend needed a cat-sitter. I knew the risk when it came to finding a different home for Chino or sending him to a shelter. I was aware of the already existing risk when we added Mochi. I new this was a possibility, and even knowing so I chose the path I chose. I'll live with that. If I could negotiate another way like increasing security deposit, certified training, or any other way I would take that way, but I did choose this direction. In the presence of my circumstances I chose my actions. In the presence of their circumstances, my landlords are also choosing theirs.

In the end regardless of my intention to cooperate and negotiate it's meaningless if they don't want to negotiate. They have the power.
I feel kind of dirty to be in the position of semi-defending landlords. You say you accept your choices, then bemoan that they hold all the power. That doesn't seem like accepting responsibility, so much as accepting that you can't change the landlord's mind.

Think about it like this: you broke your word to them. They don't actually owe you anything. You effectively lied to them when you told them you would agree to the terms of the lease.

The situation absolutely sucks for you and your family. Take it as a life lesson and be pro-active in the future when you want or need circumstances to change.
 

MrNewVegas

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You say you understand the circumstances and the risk, yet you still blame the landlord. Landlords choose to not allow pets for reasons that usually don't include, "to make life harder for you for no reason".
This is one dumbass post.

I couldn’t imagine if this were a thread about somebody being arrested for weed and people popping in on era to say “Welp you should know better, sucks to suck.”

I live in Ontario, Canada. Landlords are constantly putting illegal clauses in rental agreements. No pets clause is one of them. Every time I tell them no pets, sign the contract and bring them in. Its not an enforceable clause here because it’s bullshit.
 

chrisypoo

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Oct 27, 2017
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Landlords can evict people incredibly quickly and easily. It's a shitty system.
Landlord here. You're wrong. Evictions are emotionally and financially draining, and as such most landlords will do everything they can to avoid it and just handle things amicably and peacefully. Unfortunately, most tenants rarely wish to handle things amicably and peacefully, particularly when they've been caught breaking rules; it tends to lead to them getting very defensive rather than simply admitting they did the wrong thing and trying to fix it. Admittedly, OP's landlords sound like royal hard on ass holes, but I've been a landlord for about a year and a half now, while my wife's been one for about 8 years, and I can assure you that, evictions are not an easy or cheap process for landlords.

That being said, I pride myself on not being a slumlord ass hole as I've lived under one of those before and I always told myself I'd never be like them, and I'm not. I genuinely love and appreciate my tenants, and I want them to stay forever. They're not just my tenants, they're my neighbors; I don't want them hating me or their home. But there's a fine line between being a cool landlord and being walked on, and walking that line is more difficult than it seems to those who are uninitiated.
 

sangreal

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Your landlord cannot ask about your health condition period
This isn't really true for the FHA (it is for the ADA but not relevant here). They are not entitled to detailed information but they can request enough documentation to establish that you have a covered disability and that a cat is required to treat it

That's a good idea to look into. Would it work with multiple animals? That seems like a potential limitation, to avoid exploiting the concept
You can have multiple ESAs

The issue is Mochi is only 5 months old and too young to be an ESA.
While your case would be fraudulent, there isn't any requirements for an animal to qualify as an ESA -- other than helping treat a disability

I would keep the first cat (which you already have a documented need for) and the rent-controlled apartment if it were me
 

Unfunny

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Nah. I'm not here to defend landlords as a concept. They can't even fall under the dubious title of "job creator" that people like to use for others of similar power. But OP signed a contract that was not conceived from ill will or taking egregious advantage of someone of his situation and proceeded to break it twice. They can appeal for sympathy and paint the landlord as a bad person as much as they want, but that's all a distraction from the basic premise. I don't see how a rant against the bourgeois really does anything but distort the takeaway here.
I'm just saying that OP had no choice but to deal with a LL. At the time they chose to do so, they did not intend on getting animals. Their circumstances changed. They broke their contract. There is no moral right or wrong to it. They don't need people giving them grief. Their landlord refuses to negotiate not bc they breached the contract but bc they have the apartment rent controlled and LL wants to evict OP so LL can jack up the price.

I dont see yall crying about how their landlord lied to them and tried to increase the rent on them when their wife moved in. Stop with lecturing OP and the apologist BS
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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If you have already dodged one increase in rent and know everyone else is paying significantly more than you, then you have to figure that the landlord may be looking at any reason to toss you out for breach of contract. Don't poke the bear. Your fate is likely already sealed, but let this be a warning to others out there reading this. Don't mess up a good thing. Good god, the addition of the second cat under these circumstances.....just why would you think that is a good idea? Costly educational experience.
 

Lumination

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I'm just saying that OP had no choice but to deal with a LL. At the time he chose to do so, he did not intend on getting animals. His circumstances changed. He broke his contract. There is no moral right or wrong to it. He doesn't need people giving him grief. His landlord refuses to negotiate not bc he breached the contract but bc he has the apartment rent controlled and wants to evict OP so he can jack up the price.
Or, like another poster mentioned, the landlord can't advertise their apt as pet-free (which matters to tenants because pets can be a disturbance?) whilst letting OP keep his pets.
I dont see yall crying about how his landlord lied to him and tried to increase the rent on him when his wife moved in. Stop with lecturing OP and the apologist BS
Because I agree with OP on that and the landlord's overreach amounted to nothing? Like, what, you want me to add a "go get em, OP!"?

This is one dumbass post.

I couldn’t imagine if this were a thread about somebody being arrested for weed and people popping in on era to say “Welp you should know better, sucks to suck.”
It's not even remotely the same thing. A law is something you are forced to obey. A contract is something you signed, for starters. Not to mention the difference in merits behind the rules for barring weed smoking in general vs not allowing pets in apts. This viewpoint is so naive it's painful.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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Man, sorry OP. Shitty situation and shitty to see posters trying to lecture you.

Personally? I’d get rid of the cats. No pets no eviction.

Doubly so when it’s a rent controlled unit. Sucks but that’s life. You broke the lease agreement, knew pets would be a problem. You gambled and lost shit happens.
Jesus. Sociopathic mindset there and just flaunting it.
 

Syriel

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Dec 13, 2017
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Wife is on the rent controlled increase leases. Just didn't accept the one that raise rent dramatically because of her moving in.




We already have a note for Chino from our psychologist as he actually truly does remediate a need. Not one I mention here but it has dramatically helped with insomnia. The issue is Mochi is only 5 months old and too young to be an ESA. Mochi is a companion for Chino.



Not sure this is the case as I've kept up with rent. Sucks that the landlord couldn't at least wait for the virus to end (it seems they've been hurting for consistent tenets anyways) but they've been wanting to make this unit more expensive for a while now. Every new tenet that moves in here pays $1000 more than we do. The only one that pays less is a tenet that's been here a lot longer that I have. As for biding time, we'll reach out to tenet support groups for the area but I know they've been swamped recently.

It's funny that we actually have our appointment for DALP orientation (Downpayment Assistance Loan Program) today. A program where the city owns part of a first time buyer's house to essentially give a %0 interest loan up to half the value to help with downpayment, which applies to households within the median range of income for the city as it's been a dream since my teenage years to own here, but even after all the required workshops you go on a lottery list for years and years to get a chance to be selected for the program so it's not something we can expect to use, unless we win the lottery.
OP, you should read this article from a tenant lawyer:

If your lease does not allow pets and you get one anyway, you put your tenancy at risk. Breach of a material lease term is one of the grounds for eviction in both San Francisco and Oakland.
Generally landlords are required to make an exception to a no pets policy for support and service animals. However, a tenant cannot just move the animal in right away.

First, the tenant must follow the proper steps to get approval for the animal. First, a tenant must get a letter or prescription from a qualified professional (e.g. therapist or physician). The letter must show that the tenant qualifies as disabled and that the animal is part of their treatment for that disability. The tenant then must make a request to their landlord for a “reasonable accommodation” in the form of the animal.
Generally landlords are required to make an exception to a no pets policy for support and service animals. However, a tenant cannot just move the animal in right away.

First, the tenant must follow the proper steps to get approval for the animal. First, a tenant must get a letter or prescription from a qualified professional (e.g. therapist or physician). The letter must show that the tenant qualifies as disabled and that the animal is part of their treatment for that disability. The tenant then must make a request to their landlord for a “reasonable accommodation” in the form of the animal.
You really should be talking to a lawyer for advice and not Era. This isn't something that can be decided on what "feels right", but rather what the law says.

GTFO with this BS. He breached his contract, but he knows that. Doesn't need a lecture. Most likely LL won't negotiate not bc of the pets but bc its rent controlled.

In cities like SF, landlords provide no relative value. They purchase all available housing and every day people are forced to do business with them if they want to live and work there. Further, many times they are the most vocal opponents to further development outside of expensive luxury apartments. Zoning boards are some of the most shady, corrupt shit in politics. LLs are leeches
You're funny. The biggest anti-development, pro-exclusionary zoning force on the Board of Supervisors is the DSA sponsored candidate.

San Francisco's problem isn't landlords. Its problem is that nearly 75% of the City is zoned for SFH and completely bans apartments and any other form of multi family housing.

Existing homeowners and protected renters have very little incentive to change that. If there was EVER an example of "pulling the ladder up" and "fuck you, got mine" it's the housing market in SF.

Personally? I’d get rid of the cats. No pets no eviction.

Doubly so when it’s a rent controlled unit. Sucks but that’s life. You broke the lease agreement, knew pets would be a problem. You gambled and lost shit happens.

Exactly.
Getting rid of the cats would "cure" the violation and prevent the eviction.

This is one dumbass post.

I couldn’t imagine if this were a thread about somebody being arrested for weed and people popping in on era to say “Welp you should know better, sucks to suck.”

I live in Ontario, Canada. Landlords are constantly putting illegal clauses in rental agreements. No pets clause is one of them. Every time I tell them no pets, sign the contract and bring them in. Its not an enforceable clause here because it’s bullshit.
You can't apply Canadian law to a US state. It is perfectly legal in the US for a property owner to ban pets.