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hehe ...i still think that Downpour is an amazing game with a lack of enemy variety (really, what happened during developement ?!?!) and I was really disappointed with TEW 2 ;)
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Last gen we had: Shadows of the Damned, Alan Wake, Alice: Madness Returns, Killer is Dead,...
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Yep there are less games. Sure some awesome games but just 3 or 4 top tier things. Indies have been on the decline. What was big indie game of last year? There really wasn't one.
I think it's less that indies are on the decline and more that there are so damn many of them that none of them attract the same degree of singular attention as something like a Super Meat Boy or Bastion did back in the past when a major console maker pushed the hell out of them.
It's almost better if there isn't just one "big" indie game though. Plenty sold well, and we're great examples in their respective genres. I guess the last indie that floored me was Inside, but I don't have time to play even half the games I want so I'm definitely missing out on plenty of great stuff!
Downpour pls stop
Yep, I actually am always thinking how many good indies there are right now.
There's upgrades to tighten up Sebastian's aim and weapon kickback as well as defensive maneuover upgrades. Faster sneaking is also a must have upgrade.
That initial mob near the crossbow is probably the hardest encounter I had with the game. It only gets easier from there as you start getting more weapons and resources.
Have you heard of a little game called Player Unknown Battlegrounds?
Or:
Cuphead
Hollow KNight
Pyre
Divinity Original Sin 2
A Hat in Time
The End is Nigh
What Remains of Edith Finch
Nidhogg 2
Getting Over It
Steamworld Dig 2
Hellblade
Rainworld
Battle Chef Brigade
Battlechasers
The Sexy Brutale
etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
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I created a database about the reviews of a German gaming magazine over the last weeks and it's a little bit sad how many publishers have died since then or are not really interested in games anymore.
THQ
Midway
Eidos
LucasArts
Atari
Disney
Konami
Hudson
Sega
Bandai-Namco
Indies are good for certain genres, but I miss arcade racers like Burnout, Need for Speed and Sega Rally. Or sports games like Virtua Tennis, Tony Hawk or 1080 Snowboarding.
THQ
Midway
Eidos
LucasArts
Atari
Disney
Konami
Hudson
Sega
Bandai-Namco
Indies are good for certain genres, but I miss arcade racers like Burnout, Need for Speed and Sega Rally. Or sports games like Virtua Tennis, Tony Hawk or 1080 Snowboarding.
I guess if you count Bluehole an "indie".
You had to go deep with Battle Chef Brigade. I don't think you had much more after that list.
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I just don't even bother to look anymore, because the field is too big it's impossible to separate the diamonds from the dirt at this point. It's crazy.
I might get back to it later. My friend bought it for me digitally as a gift, so I feel like I need to beat it, but I also need to free up space. I'm worried if I delete it I'll never pick it up again. I think I stopped right after leaving the suburb the first time? Hard to remember exactly where I left off. I know I finished a part where I was being stalked through a hospital by a singing lady ghost.
Yeah, I'd agree. Last Gen had better single player linear games. But single player games are not dead. These first few months of 2018 I'll be buying God of War, Shadow of the Colossus and Ni No Kuni 2. All Single player games and some of my most anticipated games of the year.
I'd argue NOT releasing third person action/adventure games is a risk in itself
Definitely not. I only stopped because even that small selection already proved my point.
I could easily list hundred excellent indie games from last year.
He wants variety but only inside a really specfic subgenre. :P
I was one and done with most of these titles OP much like I am with most 'linear third person adventures with high replay value' the usual exception were/are Platinum games redoing stages to get better ranks.
Also 2017 destroyed, if 2018 can be half as good I'll be happy and so will my wallet.
Also 2017 destroyed, if 2018 can be half as good I'll be happy and so will my wallet.
I find this gen far more interesting. There seems to be a much bigger emphasis on player agency and systems. Just compare The Phantom Pain to MGS 4, Hitman 2016 to Absolution, Breath of the Wild to Skyward Sword or Prey to Bioshock.
I'd argue that 2015, 2016 and 2017 alone are better than the entire last gen, with my new GOAT Bloodborne as the crown jewel. I'm seeing tons of games with really good gameplay these days, from Nioh's combat to Mario Odyssey's traversal to Doom's gunplay to Divinity Original Sin 2's gameplay sandbox. And then there is the heart of The Last Guardian, the writing of SOMA, the puzzles of The Witness and so on.
And this gen is far from finished. If games like From's next, Death Stranding, Cyberpunk 2077, God of War, Spider-Man, Monster Hunter World, The Last of Us 2, DMC 5 and many others all deliver... oh boy.
Also, everything looks the same, really? After last gen with all its white male thirties heroes and UE3 looks? Just last year alone: BotW, Nioh, Uncharted Lost Legacy, Nier Automata, Yakuza 0, Resident Evil 7, Horizon Zero Dawn, Evil Within 2, Prey, Super Mario Odyssey, Persona 5, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Wolfenstein 2, AC Origins, Cuphead (fuck excluding indies), Hellblade, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and so on. Tons of variety in genre, protagonists and art styles.
I'd argue that 2015, 2016 and 2017 alone are better than the entire last gen, with my new GOAT Bloodborne as the crown jewel. I'm seeing tons of games with really good gameplay these days, from Nioh's combat to Mario Odyssey's traversal to Doom's gunplay to Divinity Original Sin 2's gameplay sandbox. And then there is the heart of The Last Guardian, the writing of SOMA, the puzzles of The Witness and so on.
And this gen is far from finished. If games like From's next, Death Stranding, Cyberpunk 2077, God of War, Spider-Man, Monster Hunter World, The Last of Us 2, DMC 5 and many others all deliver... oh boy.
Also, everything looks the same, really? After last gen with all its white male thirties heroes and UE3 looks? Just last year alone: BotW, Nioh, Uncharted Lost Legacy, Nier Automata, Yakuza 0, Resident Evil 7, Horizon Zero Dawn, Evil Within 2, Prey, Super Mario Odyssey, Persona 5, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Wolfenstein 2, AC Origins, Cuphead (fuck excluding indies), Hellblade, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and so on. Tons of variety in genre, protagonists and art styles.
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I guess some people don't know what linear third person adventures are/were. :P
Tell me about those linear third person adventure indie games then, I'd be down for that
Thats a list of almost 20 indie games though. It's not like the list is small.
Hellblade itself being an awesome linear single player experience, you should check it out op
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There aren't any as far as I know.
I was talking about diversity in genres not in general. Of course there's enough diversity when you look at all three consoles and a PC. But look at (different genres) open world games, first person shooter, racing games,etc. Imo it seems there's only one formula for each genre and that's it. They don't even try to take risks or make something like Silent Hill, Alice, Shadows of the damned, Batman Arkham Asylum, Dead space, Alan Wake, etc. And even if they do it either gets cancelled or it's one rare game that doesn't even sell very well due to bad marketing.
I mean, OP wants variety and then excludes everything that isn't a linear third person game. Even then, there is both Evil Withins, Quantum Break, Uncharted 4, Uncharted The Lost Legacy, Hellblade, The Last Guardian, Nioh, both Tomb Raiders, Bayonetta 2, Ratchet & Clank, the upcoming God of War and probably some other games I forgot.
No new Condemned is a crime, that's why I both my first console, to be able to play the second installment. Where is the next one?
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Not for me.
I think many people (gamers) forget how great the last gen was. You should play some of the old games. Not because some (or most) have a different opinion than I have...but it's true...you forget how great the old games are. I forgot it and I'm glad that I made the decision to go back. There are many games that are not "more" open or open world with maps and hundreds of collectibles. Games without microtransactions. Games with unlockables. Sure...this gen is the result of the end of the last gen (Dead Space 3 is a good example) but that doesn't mean it's a good gen. Imo this gen is one of the worst so far. But that's just my opinion.... because I just bought a console to use it's backwards compatibility, lol.
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I agree. Lack of NG+ and unskippable cutscenes is not good but imo it still has a lot of replay value. The silly humour, the pacing, the weapons, Johnson (lol!), the music..pretty much everything is amazing except for the things I mentioned.
BTW...what is Akira Yamaoka doing right now?
Yes, I miss linear gameplay experiences.
With exception of Witcher 3 and GTA V I find side missions and open world activities to be useless.
The few open world games I'm interested in, I usually beat the main campaign and nothing else. So all that extra work on the world is just wasted.
My favourite syatem is linear, level based, or Hub based if done right (Batman Arkham Asylum/City/Origins, Deus Ex, Yakuza, ShenMue, etc).
With exception of Witcher 3 and GTA V I find side missions and open world activities to be useless.
The few open world games I'm interested in, I usually beat the main campaign and nothing else. So all that extra work on the world is just wasted.
My favourite syatem is linear, level based, or Hub based if done right (Batman Arkham Asylum/City/Origins, Deus Ex, Yakuza, ShenMue, etc).
Alan Wake was a damn fine game. I need more Twin Peaks in my video games! Also Quantum Break, this gen and no one bought it, real shame. Another Remedy Game, fits your mould perfectly.
I would love more linear games likes of Alan Wake, Max Payne, Half-Life 2, Metro games, Call of Cthulhu, Condemned, FEAR, Call of Juarez games, Silent Hill games, Alice Madness Returns, the Suffering, Croostasis, Witcher 2, BioShock 1+2, etc.. even Prey from last year is too big for its own good - the only game I play at this moment, started almost a month ago and still far from end with more than 23 hours already played
I'll split this post into two categories: Hope and Despair
DESPAIR:
Last Gen:
Shadows of the Damned (published by EA)
This Gen:
EA.. well you know
Last Gen:
Alice: Madness Returns (also published by EA)
This Gen:
Sequel currently being crowdfunded
Last Gen:
Killer is Dead
This Gen:
New No More Heroes - but referencing other games
Last Gen:
Silent Hill Downpour
This Gen:
Silent Hills - Konami cancelled game, focused on making money instead
Last Gen:
Dead Space (again, published by EA)
This Gen:
Studio closed
HOPE
Last Gen:
Alan Wake
This Gen:
Quantum Break
Last Gen:
Batman Arkham Asylum
This Gen:
Batman Arkham Knight
Batman Arkham VR thing
Last Gen:
Viva Pinata by Rare
This Gen:
Sea Of Thieves by Rare
Results:
Make what you will of all this, but it looks like money and new technology (VR) could be the main issues - and certain publishers not caring about creativity
But we're still getting some great games, you just have to look harder
DESPAIR:
Last Gen:
Shadows of the Damned (published by EA)
This Gen:
EA.. well you know
Last Gen:
Alice: Madness Returns (also published by EA)
This Gen:
Sequel currently being crowdfunded
Last Gen:
Killer is Dead
This Gen:
New No More Heroes - but referencing other games
Last Gen:
Silent Hill Downpour
This Gen:
Silent Hills - Konami cancelled game, focused on making money instead
Last Gen:
Dead Space (again, published by EA)
This Gen:
Studio closed
HOPE
Last Gen:
Alan Wake
This Gen:
Quantum Break
Last Gen:
Batman Arkham Asylum
This Gen:
Batman Arkham Knight
Batman Arkham VR thing
Last Gen:
Viva Pinata by Rare
This Gen:
Sea Of Thieves by Rare
Results:
Make what you will of all this, but it looks like money and new technology (VR) could be the main issues - and certain publishers not caring about creativity
But we're still getting some great games, you just have to look harder
I kind of see where OP is coming from. Not specifically linear t/fps needs to come back. But that last gen had a certain something this ones missing. Call it mid tier ambition for lack of a better term.
Alot of my favorite games in the first half of last gen weren't necessarily the flagship titles or the initial breakout titles. but they usually played on those concepts. Fallout NV to Fallout 3, the saints row 2 instead of GTA 4, rock band above guitar hero, Space Marine instead of Gears.
There was also alot more of these attempts, well at least I felt like there was. The third person shooter had swathes of good to great games. Same with FPS, or racing games.
Even what I would consider a currently flourishing genre in open world had regular solid releases we just seemingly forgot about like the saboteur.
Then you have the dramatic failures like Two Worlds.
Indies while great generally don't play in the same spaces as AAA. like mid tier devs used to.
edited because I had to put my phone away at work and wanted to add to my point
Alot of my favorite games in the first half of last gen weren't necessarily the flagship titles or the initial breakout titles. but they usually played on those concepts. Fallout NV to Fallout 3, the saints row 2 instead of GTA 4, rock band above guitar hero, Space Marine instead of Gears.
There was also alot more of these attempts, well at least I felt like there was. The third person shooter had swathes of good to great games. Same with FPS, or racing games.
Even what I would consider a currently flourishing genre in open world had regular solid releases we just seemingly forgot about like the saboteur.
Then you have the dramatic failures like Two Worlds.
Indies while great generally don't play in the same spaces as AAA. like mid tier devs used to.
edited because I had to put my phone away at work and wanted to add to my point
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