GoW and Uncharted 4 looked stunning on PS4 so I think it can work.
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Last of US 2 frame per frame animation analysis by Motive senior tech animator (Read OP)
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GoW and Uncharted 4 looked stunning on PS4 so I think it can work.
Remember this gif from the God of War threads?
After the TLoU E3 showing the faces should be switched up.
And then again when GOW2 drops ;)
Remember this gif from the God of War threads?
After the TLoU E3 showing the faces should be switched up.
It seems to me that this gif changes with every release of a new Sony 1st party game.
I was blown away when she grabbed the arrow out of the corpse's body and not just reaching for it and having it disappear.
It's real. No one has even caught up to the TLOU and TLL in animation yet. This looks to raise the bar even higher. Between the panel and this analysis it's pretty clear they have stepped it up again.
Yeah thanx, i knew that but i was wondering about the 80-20. Didn't hear that before.
A lot of it is also clever animation programming. I wouldn't be surprised if they have some sort of "animation AI" to procedurally solve for some of the situations ahed of time based on your actions, so that they can use the proper lead-in animations to make transitions smooth.
Yeah, when the making of features for this game drop, I hope they go into greater detail about animation work for this game.
It's not so much that I'm surprised they made improvements, as much as their improvements have now crossed the threshold where when I used to see something of this quality, I would immediately reject it as fake, not because I didn't think the hardware was there necessarily, but because animation of that quality just wasn't feasible with the realities of being in gameplay and having to respond well to player input, on any hardware, in my mind. But it seems like they've done it, and I'm pretty blown away.
This game is going to end up serving an abundance of crow.
For the record in the panel yesterday ND confirmed they've completely overhauled their animation engine for this game (even though UC4 was already incredible and potentially class leading in that regard) in order that all animations are even more realistic and transitions are seamless.
More details here.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/e3-coliseum-2018-with-naughty-dog-lots-of-new-tlou2-details.48635/
For the record in the panel yesterday ND confirmed they've completely overhauled their animation engine for this game (even though UC4 was already incredible and potentially class leading in that regard) in order that all animations are even more realistic and transitions are seamless.
More details here.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/e3-coliseum-2018-with-naughty-dog-lots-of-new-tlou2-details.48635/
Yeah UC4 had some insane animations that blend well and are pretty dynamic depending on the context. People probably take it for granted or must of forgot but the level of detail in that two year old game is still insane.
Like I'm amazed that TLOU2 looks this good as much as anyone else, but I don't doubt for a second that any of that real. This is just what ND does lol they are laughably good when it comes to this
Watching the video it seems a lot of prediction of Ellie, Enemy and environment on top of tons of coverage for the key components of the fight. Probably helps that weapons are limited, environment is always relatively close and you can focus on the key aspects. He mentioned the crouching, dodging and moving under objects, which would make it logical to cover these with a lot of coverage in movement and prediction.
They way he talks about the fighting makes it seem like Ellie and the Enemy "dance" when he mentions motion prediction during the different scenes, which generally makes sense in my opinion as fighting is like a "dance". Same goes for covering smaller things during those predictions to make it seem more natural as humans generally have a lot of movement you don't notice at first glance.
Interesting video for sure. =)
They way he talks about the fighting makes it seem like Ellie and the Enemy "dance" when he mentions motion prediction during the different scenes, which generally makes sense in my opinion as fighting is like a "dance". Same goes for covering smaller things during those predictions to make it seem more natural as humans generally have a lot of movement you don't notice at first glance.
Interesting video for sure. =)
It's like one dev said, once you figure everything you said out the rest is just adding content (a really grotesque amount lol).
Good video and analysis.
For the record, the author of the video isn't sure if the prone moves and others are scripted or systemic, but ND have already confirmed that all these things, eg going in to prone, squeezing through gaps, hiding under trucks, dodging attacks etc, are all player enabled systemic moves.
Plus the fear state animation people think isn't in TLOU from the initial demo, actually is in the final game, the reason not everyone replicated it is because it isn't scripted, instead it's something that can happen at any point in the game dynamically based on the situation.
For the record, the author of the video isn't sure if the prone moves and others are scripted or systemic, but ND have already confirmed that all these things, eg going in to prone, squeezing through gaps, hiding under trucks, dodging attacks etc, are all player enabled systemic moves.
Uncharted 4 did something similar, which was completely systemic, so this could potentially be an updated version of that.
Plus the fear state animation people think isn't in TLOU from the initial demo, actually is in the final game, the reason not everyone replicated it is because it isn't scripted, instead it's something that can happen at any point in the game dynamically based on the situation.
Certainly, the guy in the video mentioned it as well, "huge amount of coverage". But this coverage should be worth it for key components in your systems. Outside of that there isn't much different between a machete, axe or hammer outside of the "side switching" animation.
that was a great video, made me appreciate it even more
amazing
It was the Studio Head of Eidos Montreal (TOMB RAIDER) that said that in a tweet, and people are joking about it.
amazing
i might accuse naughty dog of fake animations too if their work looked so much better than mine. lol
halfway through and naughty dog are beyond wizards. at this point im truly scared what they will do with the ps5
He talks a lot about blends. It seems to me that because it's impossible to create and animation for every motion (which is why game movement feels so janky sometimes) the solution might be a type of AI for animation. I'll try and explain how I imagine it could be done but I must give a huge grain of salt here - im not a programmer just a consumer who likes to understand how things work.
Looking at some of the stuff they're doing with AI that looks at an image of say a tiger and can procedurally generate another different completely unique image of another tiger just because it's analysed so many different images of a tiger the AI program knows what a tiger looks like. Wouldn't it be possible to create an AI based animation system that understand how the movement of the character frame works and when an animation is cancelled the AI "fakes" the frames in between the missing animation? This is how i believe ND is doing their animations so smoothly. Rather than trying to animate every possibly outcome they have some sort of system that "fills the gaps" procedurally. I feel like this is the way that games are going to need to be made going forward. There will be human programmed parameters that is required because computer generated stuff is boring (no mans sky anyone?) but using AI to fill things out seems like a really good solution to a lot of problems games developers are having with massive amounts of work from animation to eventually interactive speech.
Anyway don't mind me I'm just loving this trailer and hoping it really will be able to be played like that.
Looking at some of the stuff they're doing with AI that looks at an image of say a tiger and can procedurally generate another different completely unique image of another tiger just because it's analysed so many different images of a tiger the AI program knows what a tiger looks like. Wouldn't it be possible to create an AI based animation system that understand how the movement of the character frame works and when an animation is cancelled the AI "fakes" the frames in between the missing animation? This is how i believe ND is doing their animations so smoothly. Rather than trying to animate every possibly outcome they have some sort of system that "fills the gaps" procedurally. I feel like this is the way that games are going to need to be made going forward. There will be human programmed parameters that is required because computer generated stuff is boring (no mans sky anyone?) but using AI to fill things out seems like a really good solution to a lot of problems games developers are having with massive amounts of work from animation to eventually interactive speech.
Anyway don't mind me I'm just loving this trailer and hoping it really will be able to be played like that.
i have played TLOU over 7 times. 3 times on each difficulty on both the PS3 and PS4 versions and NG+ on Suvivor, and i never thought it looked this bad. this makes the game look like shit wow. It's crazy how the A.I was dumbed down for the final game. This makes me question a lot of things in the TLOU2 gameplay demo especially when it comes to A.I routines and final graphics.
Did the game really look that bad on the PS3? Thats a major graphical downgrade from that E3 demo.
Seriously shocked/shook at how good the animation is in this game. I hope this demo is not setting me up for a huge disappoinment when my playthrough will not resemble theirs.
There is reason to have reservations after that showing of the game. The first showing of the original game was different in certain aspects from the final game. However, I am firmly in the boat that this demo, while probably heavily scripted, is pretty much what we are going to get. If there is any developer who has the magic to get it done and deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Naughty Dog.
This is too damn funny... just look at this mediocre hack job on animation:It was the Studio Head of Eidos Montreal (TOMB RAIDER) that said that in a tweet, and people are joking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxnHUduelKA&t=1m37s
Crystal Dynamics, nothing more to add.
Pretty egregious cuts in the quality of TLoU's AI in its final form. I find it unacceptable to be lied to like that.
Because it would be nothing short of incredible, that's why. I'll believe it when it acts like this when I'm playing it myself.
Any linked im this thread?
Would love to see what the pros think
The Last of Us E3 presentation is quite possibly the only time where gameplay failed to match the final product 1-1. Like someone said earlier in this thread, ND had to fit all the animations in only 9mb of RAM.
TLoU 2 isn't limited by ancient tech. Just look at what they achieved in UC4, which came out 2 years ago.
Yep, normally, the enemies basically just acted like the enemies in Uncharted.
I dunno what everyone is fighting about. Game looks great, ND has always had awesome animation and transitions. God of war didn't have them and I consider that the best game I've ever played. It's now on top of my old favorite Zelda oot. Im sure other games I'll play and love more than this won't have animation like this and I still won't care.
Sony shares tech between studios, im sure they gave ND a.. ton of money to do these things. Everyone arguing is just silly. With the right amount of money any studio can pull this off. Constantly screaming "naughty gods" is just silly...
Sony shares tech between studios, im sure they gave ND a.. ton of money to do these things. Everyone arguing is just silly. With the right amount of money any studio can pull this off. Constantly screaming "naughty gods" is just silly...
Half the video is filmed off-screen with a camera, not with a capture card. That's why it looks like garbage.