Le bizzarre avventure di GioGio: Vento Aureo Anime (JoJo P5) |OT| Sono cazzate, ma ci credo!

Bard

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Oct 25, 2017
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Diavolo can see the future and erase undesirable outcomes to his body and we've never seen a hole in this defense. Not sure why you refuse to internalize this.

An arguement can be made for his irrational desire to keep his identity hidden through Doppio holding him back but once Diavolo is out in full like during the Bruno fight we haven't seen any downsides to KC's defensive capability.

Also "Because he's a vampire" is an insufficient argument. Being a vampire didn't stop literally every vampire we've been introduced to from dying... including in fights that didn't feature hamon energy as well as fights where the opposition didn't know about vampires. As a punch ghost KC is strong af and if Dio does his arrogance thing and lets KC punch The World to gauge its strength he could shatter right then and there and with good timing the Sun could come out soon after.
You refuse to listen that all that you said is pointless in the face of an immortal enemy. Hell, Diavolo got cocky and thought Polnareff was dead and look what happened, same with Bruno. You think he'll keep going with Epitaph after he tries to donut Dio? Of course not, when has he shown to do something like this? This is all assuming btw that Dio doesn't activate time stop shortly after time goes back to normal. Diavolo is defenseless in time stop and Dio can actually kill people during that. That last bit of it is you assuming that he knew Dio was a vampire and would fight near the sunrise which is a giant leap in logic, and even then Dio survived a Jonathan hamon powered sword cutting him straight in the middle, KC's donuts won't do shit. We don't know if KC is stronger than The World or not.

He's not winning dude.
But diavolo didnt even try to dodge the bullets. He just activated king crimson and erased the timeframe where the bullets went through him. We never saw how king crimson's speed compares to bullets. All we know is that both it and the world are ranked A in power/speed.

Also its pretty questionable to use a feat from the 1st chapter of stardust crusaders considering at that same chapter Star Platinum somehow brings lots of random stuff inside jotaro's cell which contradicts the reveal of his stand's range being 2 meters.
Fair point.

I'm using something shown in the manga, if you're complaining about that I don't know what to tell you. Him being able to stop a bullet makes much more sense with the rest of the shown moveset though, Star Platinum/The World is constantly said and shown to be absurdly strong, fast and precise.
 

tsampikos

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Oct 27, 2017
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He's not immortal. He literally died. Literally died in a way Diavolo can kill him himself. Jotaro killed him this way so why not Diavolo?

Meanwhile you fail to understand KCs abilities and why Dio wouldn't be able to touch him.
 

Calvarok

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Oct 26, 2017
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He's not immortal. He literally died. Literally died in a way Diavolo can kill him himself. Jotaro killed him this way so why not Diavolo?

Meanwhile you fail to understand KCs abilities and why Dio wouldn't be able to touch him.
immortality doesn't mean you can't be killed. it means that you will live forever unless you are killed, and probably are very difficult to kill.

Additionally, Bruno almost hit KC, but he avoided it by activating his ability while the fist was still flying towards him and was a hair away from his face. If Bruno had The World and activated it before punching, he would have hit him, even if he only stopped time for a quarter of a second. thus we can conclude that KC's reaction speed IS a factor and that he can be taken off guard, which would result in him being torn apart by Dio in his 5 (or 9) seconds of Time Stop, or Jotaro in his 1-2 seconds).

However there are plenty of difficulties getting to the appropriate range and ensuring Diavolo does not activate his ability in time. He is a formidable opponent, and it would be a difficult fight.
 

Bard

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Oct 25, 2017
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He's not immortal. He literally died. Literally died in a way Diavolo can kill him himself. Jotaro killed him this way so why not Diavolo?

Meanwhile you fail to understand KCs abilities and why Dio wouldn't be able to touch him.
Alright whatever dude I don't care anymore. Make up whatever delusion you want.
 

Mistouze

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Oct 26, 2017
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Y'all trying to apply logic to JoJo when Araki showed you time and time again he gives no shit about logic.

This ain't DBZ folks.
 

pirata

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Oct 25, 2017
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I had noticed in the manga that SC's new design reflected Polnareff's injuries, but I didn't remember the peg legs.
 

fertygo

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Oct 25, 2017
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As manga reader I dont understand any single shit from this episode point and forward back then when I read it.

Araki was under influence of something really strong for this.
 

GlassEmpires

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Dec 10, 2018
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i think it's mentioned in one of the books (lol non-canon) that he regards stand powers as superior to his vampire power so he just doesn't care to use them anymore
 

Lumination

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Oct 26, 2017
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As manga reader I dont understand any single shit from this episode point and forward back then when I read it.

Araki was under influence of something really strong for this.
The word gets thrown around a lot, but I feel like Part 5 is the first part where things actually feel bizarre. Condom boat, hiding in turtles, King Crimson, etc. are all a level above the other parts in terms of wackiness.
 

pirata

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the answer is that Araki already did a final battle revolving around Dio's freezing and eye laser powers and didn't feel like doing that again.

A lot of the discrepancies and plot holes in Jojo are less of a result of 'Araki forgot' as they are the result of 'Araki changed his mind' or 'Araki feels like going in this direction now.' It makes things super inconsistent sometimes, but at least the series almost never feels stale!
 

yap

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love how Silver Chariot's linework and color is reminiscent of it's Part 3 Anime appearance, rather than fully adopting Part 5's style.
 

Mariip

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Oct 26, 2017
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Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
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So I watched the last episode a few times now but I still don't understand what was going on at the end of that Diavolo/Polnareff battle.

When Silver Chariot throws Pol's wheelchair up into the air did King Crimson erase that from happening? I though he could only erase time after he activates. And if he didn't then how did Pol end up back on the ground?

Wonder what Pol would think if he found out Giorno was Dio's son, would be bit awkward
Does Giorno know that he's Dio's son? One of the most surprising things to me about this part is what a non-factor Giorno's complex parentage has been up to this point.
 

Mariip

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Oct 26, 2017
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Does Giorno know that he's Dio's son? One of the most surprising things to me about this part is what a non-factor Giorno's complex parentage has been up to this point.
All he knows is that his father is the guy in the picture, he doesn’t know that guy is an evil vampire head fused withthe body of an innocent gentleman, otherwise I believe he’d burn the hell out of that photo
 

Rutger

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Oct 25, 2017
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lol i just noticed that we're all avoiding talking about bites the dust vs king crimson because it's too complicated to even consider
Diavolo sees he dies from Bites the Dust.
He skips time, skipping his death.
Time still "resets", Hayato remembers what happened after all, so the jump back in time is still technically the future.
There are now two Diavolos, he jumped into the future after the reset, but Bites the Dust needs a Diavolo that is as he was at the start of that day.
 

Mariip

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yea I think the entire city heard that probably gave poor Pol PTSD
I wished he heard that but if he had he would’ve grabbed the arrow and gtfo, leaving the kids to die

He didn’t notice one of the kids looked an awful lot like his best buddy, too, considering even koichi noticed i find it kinda odd(could be because of the hair color, though)
 

Rutger

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Oct 25, 2017
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All he knows is that his father is the guy in the picture, he doesn’t know that guy is an evil vampire head fused withthe body of an innocent gentleman, otherwise I believe he’d burn the hell out of that photo
It's funny how Giorno doesn't play games like his father. He has the no nonsense attitude of Jonathan, but isn't afraid to play dirty like Dio.

Dio is probably lucky he never met his kid.
 

Force_XXI

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Oct 29, 2017
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I wished he heard that but if he had he would’ve grabbed the arrow and gtfo, leaving the kids to die

He didn’t notice one of the kids looked an awful lot like his best buddy, too, considering even koichi noticed i find it kinda odd(could be because of the hair color, though)
Detective Koichi can read people like a book Always wandered why Pol didnt try to contact Jotaro after he got KC'd (is this ever mentioned?)
 

RochHoch

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May 22, 2018
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Detective Koichi can read people like a book Always wandered why Pol didnt try to contact Jotaro after he got KC'd (is this ever mentioned?)
The manga mentions that any attempt to contact Jotaro could have alerted Diavolo to his survival, so Pol had to go into hiding and cut himself off from the rest of the world to survive since Passione apparently has a ton of sway all over Italy.
 

Force_XXI

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Oct 29, 2017
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The manga mentions that any attempt to contact Jotaro could have alerted Diavolo to his survival, so Pol had to go into hiding and cut himself off from the rest of the world to survive since Passione apparently has a ton of sway all over Italy.
Thanks knew I forgot something, goddamn Pol had a hard bizarre life
 

RochHoch

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May 22, 2018
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this makes 0 sense after Divalvo thought he was dead though
I think that's supposed to be the point. Passione apparently has eyes everywhere, so if Pol tried to contact Jotaro, he ran the risk of Diavolo finding out that he survived. That's why he went into hiding instead.

It's not the best explanation, but it's the only excuse Araki gave us and its at least serviceable.
 

Calvarok

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Oct 26, 2017
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I think that's supposed to be the point. Passione apparently has eyes everywhere, so if Pol tried to contact Jotaro, he ran the risk of Diavolo finding out that he survived. That's why he went into hiding instead.

It's not the best explanation, but it's the only excuse Araki gave us and its at least serviceable.
yeah, i'm willing to accept that. I just need to learn more about how he survived and got his legs without being able to contact the speedwagon foundation