Not if doppio introduces them i guess
Not if doppio introduces them i guess
I feel like the "auto mode" explanation makes things more confusing and complicated.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but people still react to stuff like normal and make decisions like normal (as long as it doesn't involve Diavolo), they just don't remember it after the skip
The entire premise of Epitaph is seeing the future while the premise of King Crimson is seeing the future merged with the present during a period of time where causality is locked in for everyone else but him. If he can see himself getting donutted by Dio in the next few seconds and activates his ability in a way that has The World activating during KC then he becomes immune to The World. Even if he can't see during time stop Diavolo will still know the result... Dios actions being locked in regardless giving Diavolo the freedom to avoid his attacks just as readily as he avoids anyone else.Pretty sure, yes.
Don't know where you got that it sees things non-linear, King crimson sees all actions in time skip as if time had never been skipped, so it's like it watches a liveaction powerpoint and then it can choose where to jump back in. The thing is that time stop mitigates that since Dio's actions during time stop are outside of time, thus outside what Diavolo would be able to perceive. Only Jotaro was able to see what happened during time stop because he had the same ability. Diavolo's fundamentally different ability only sees time as it flows normally but allows him to jump forward in between points. Dio shouting for time to stop still wouldn't allow Diavolo to see what he does in stopped time, his perception would only be of dio teleporting somewhere else but can't see how he got there.
Speed is irrelevant during skipped time because Diavolo can only inflict harm once time has resumed to normal and KC would definitely not be able to outspeed The World, and even if he somehow did outspeed it, Dio is still conventionally immortal and thus Diavolo's attack, unless he went for decapitation which we have never seen him try to do, wouldn't be enough to incapacitate Dio for long, so he'd die in the next second.
Against Jotaro Diavolo has a better chance since if Jotaro gets sneak attacked the best he could do is try to take Diavolo down with him.
Diavolo doesn't need to see what happens inside time stop. Just seeing that he will die in the next 10 seconds is enough for him to activate time erasure which not only erases the act of him dying but also gives him a free hit on his enemy. After time is erased he just moves at a different direction than the epitaph prediction and waits for dio to stop time and punch the empty space where diavolo was originally supposed to be. After that he will just postion himself behind him and wait for time erasure to end
Your claim that the world is stronger/faster is totally baseless since both stands rank A in speed/power. Even if it was slower diavolo can still sneak up behind his enemy in erased time and time his attack so that he will kill his enemy pretty much the instant erasure ends. This is what he did with both bruno and polnareff. He started his attack right before erasure ends so that his attack lands at pretty much the milisecond erasure ends
Yeah his regeneration would most likely give dio the win but just stand wise kc is stronger
The thing you keep going on is the fact that Diavolo wouldn't be at the position Dio thinks he is when time skip is done, and my argument is that it doesn't matter. Dio wins because he's a vampire. It's not even about time stop, it's about the fact that he's virtually immortal. Dude kept talking after being cut in half by a hamon infused sword. Diavolo doesn't know that Dio is a vampire, thus no matter how he tried to avoid it, dude ends up dead if he tries to attack Dio directly.The entire premise of Epitaph is seeing the future while the premise of King Crimson is seeing the future merged with the present during a period of time where causality is locked in for everyone else but him. If he can see himself getting donutted by Dio in the next few seconds and activates his ability in a way that has The World activating during KC then he becomes immune to The World. Even if he can't see during time stop Diavolo will still know the result... Dios actions being locked in regardless giving Diavolo the freedom to avoid his attacks just as readily as he avoids anyone else.
While arguments can be made on who is more powerful (Dio is physically stronger and more durable than Diavolo and while I think KC's punch ghost hits harder it moves slower than the world in real time) when it come to defense I think Diavolo's ability to see the future and gain sole awareness and control over causality has the advantage over time stop.
KC had to skip time to dodge Aerosmith's bullets even though it was firing from a good amount farther away.
You're all cowards I saylol i just noticed that we're all avoiding talking about bites the dust vs king crimson because it's too complicated to even consider
You refuse to listen that all that you said is pointless in the face of an immortal enemy. Hell, Diavolo got cocky and thought Polnareff was dead and look what happened, same with Bruno. You think he'll keep going with Epitaph after he tries to donut Dio? Of course not, when has he shown to do something like this? This is all assuming btw that Dio doesn't activate time stop shortly after time goes back to normal. Diavolo is defenseless in time stop and Dio can actually kill people during that. That last bit of it is you assuming that he knew Dio was a vampire and would fight near the sunrise which is a giant leap in logic, and even then Dio survived a Jonathan hamon powered sword cutting him straight in the middle, KC's donuts won't do shit. We don't know if KC is stronger than The World or not.Diavolo can see the future and erase undesirable outcomes to his body and we've never seen a hole in this defense. Not sure why you refuse to internalize this.
An arguement can be made for his irrational desire to keep his identity hidden through Doppio holding him back but once Diavolo is out in full like during the Bruno fight we haven't seen any downsides to KC's defensive capability.
Also "Because he's a vampire" is an insufficient argument. Being a vampire didn't stop literally every vampire we've been introduced to from dying... including in fights that didn't feature hamon energy as well as fights where the opposition didn't know about vampires. As a punch ghost KC is strong af and if Dio does his arrogance thing and lets KC punch The World to gauge its strength he could shatter right then and there and with good timing the Sun could come out soon after.
Fair point.But diavolo didnt even try to dodge the bullets. He just activated king crimson and erased the timeframe where the bullets went through him. We never saw how king crimson's speed compares to bullets. All we know is that both it and the world are ranked A in power/speed.
Also its pretty questionable to use a feat from the 1st chapter of stardust crusaders considering at that same chapter Star Platinum somehow brings lots of random stuff inside jotaro's cell which contradicts the reveal of his stand's range being 2 meters.
immortality doesn't mean you can't be killed. it means that you will live forever unless you are killed, and probably are very difficult to kill.He's not immortal. He literally died. Literally died in a way Diavolo can kill him himself. Jotaro killed him this way so why not Diavolo?
Meanwhile you fail to understand KCs abilities and why Dio wouldn't be able to touch him.
Alright whatever dude I don't care anymore. Make up whatever delusion you want.He's not immortal. He literally died. Literally died in a way Diavolo can kill him himself. Jotaro killed him this way so why not Diavolo?
Meanwhile you fail to understand KCs abilities and why Dio wouldn't be able to touch him.
You really can't apply logic to DBZ either though. At least the discussions take some sort of scientific train of thought to theory craft some Jojo BS.Y'all trying to apply logic to JoJo when Araki showed you time and time again he gives no shit about logic.
This ain't DBZ folks.
I agree with Jaded on this one, DBZ is more illogical then JoJoYou really can't apply logic to DBZ either though. At least the discussions take some sort of scientific train of thought to theory craft some Jojo BS.
He's a Pirate :D
But didn't the Speedwagon Foundation reattach Polnareff's right arm?I had noticed in the manga that SC's new design reflected Polnareff's injuries, but I didn't remember the peg legs.
He didn't get an eyepatch tho :/
He doesn't have his vampire powers no more. Dio had more than enough opportunities to Space Ripper Stingy Eyes Jotaro and didn't do it.if king crimson punches through dio, all dio has to do is freeze his own blood to trap king crimson
He has the blood yes, but none of the vampire powers stuff. I don't think he uses any of that in SDC.he made vanilla ice a vampire, so he's still got his vampire tricks
The word gets thrown around a lot, but I feel like Part 5 is the first part where things actually feel bizarre. Condom boat, hiding in turtles, King Crimson, etc. are all a level above the other parts in terms of wackiness.As manga reader I dont understand any single shit from this episode point and forward back then when I read it.
Araki was under influence of something really strong for this.
Kars turned his hand into a super powered murder squirrelThe word gets thrown around a lot, but I feel like Part 5 is the first part where things actually feel bizarre. Condom boat, hiding in turtles, King Crimson, etc. are all a level above the other parts in terms of wackiness.
Eh, it didn't really matter. It's not like he used it in a fight. The piranhas in the helicopter though...
I'm just messin with ya part 5 has some really weird stands, like Notorious B.I.G. is a wtf for me how does anyone even know thats the stands powerEh, it didn't really matter. It's not like he used it in a fight. The piranhas in the helicopter though...
i mean he takes the time to apply scientific principles to his work. i think he cares, he also just likes making cool things happenY'all trying to apply logic to JoJo when Araki showed you time and time again he gives no shit about logic.
This ain't DBZ folks.
the rendering of jotaro in his part 3 outfit was really dope as well. that whole sequence of the search for the arrows was super coolI love how Silver Chariot's linework and color is reminiscent of it's Part 3 Anime appearance, rather than fully adopting Part 5's style.
Assuming he didn't hear the 40 second mudaWonder what Pol would think if he found out Giorno was Dio's son, would be bit awkward
Polnaleff's shading has way more scratches than the rest of the characters as well, good stuffI love how Silver Chariot's linework and color is reminiscent of it's Part 3 Anime appearance, rather than fully adopting Part 5's style.
The word gets thrown around a lot, but I feel like Part 5 is the first part where things actually feel bizarre. Condom boat, hiding in turtles, King Crimson, etc. are all a level above the other parts in terms of wackiness.
Does Giorno know that he's Dio's son? One of the most surprising things to me about this part is what a non-factor Giorno's complex parentage has been up to this point.Wonder what Pol would think if he found out Giorno was Dio's son, would be bit awkward
All he knows is that his father is the guy in the picture, he doesn't know that guy is an evil vampire head fused withthe body of an innocent gentleman, otherwise I believe he'd burn the hell out of that photoDoes Giorno know that he's Dio's son? One of the most surprising things to me about this part is what a non-factor Giorno's complex parentage has been up to this point.
Diavolo sees he dies from Bites the Dust.lol i just noticed that we're all avoiding talking about bites the dust vs king crimson because it's too complicated to even consider
Yea I think the entire city heard that probably gave poor Pol PTSDAssuming he didn't hear the 40 second muda
Polnaleff's shading has way more scratches than the rest of the characters as well, good stuff
I wished he heard that but if he had he would've grabbed the arrow and gtfo, leaving the kids to dieYea I think the entire city heard that probably gave poor Pol PTSD
It's funny how Giorno doesn't play games like his father. He has the no nonsense attitude of Jonathan, but isn't afraid to play dirty like Dio.All he knows is that his father is the guy in the picture, he doesn't know that guy is an evil vampire head fused withthe body of an innocent gentleman, otherwise I believe he'd burn the hell out of that photo
He still likes some healthy trash talk thoughIt's funny how Giorno doesn't play games like his father. He has the no nonsense attitude of Jonathan, but isn't afraid to play dirty like Dio.
Dio is probably lucky he never met his kid.
Detective Koichi can read people like a book Always wandered why Pol didnt try to contact Jotaro after he got KC'd (is this ever mentioned?)I wished he heard that but if he had he would've grabbed the arrow and gtfo, leaving the kids to die
He didn't notice one of the kids looked an awful lot like his best buddy, too, considering even koichi noticed i find it kinda odd(could be because of the hair color, though)