It'll be a story for like two days and per usual. The gaming industry will move on.
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Le Monde journalist who reported the Quantic Dream scandal says he got blacklisted by Sony [read OP]
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It'll be a story for like two days and per usual. The gaming industry will move on.
I could see this snowballing into a mainstream media story if Sony continues to bungle their response. Especially in the current #metoo climate - a huge tech/entertainment player blacklisting journalists to protect sexual harassers - that plays in way more than just the gaming trades.
Then again, they brushed off the Naughty Dog allogations pretty cleanly.
To be fair and clear, blacklisting is less about the 'free stuff' and more about access. When you get properly full-on blacklisted companies act like you're dead to them - they won't answer emails, they won't send you press releases, they won't clarify questions you have, and of course they won't entertain you with invitations to events for review or preview access. The other stuff is actually way worse, though - an awful lot of assistance can be had when trying to report by simply talking to PR.
Why would Sony do this? It's insane.
"Quantic Dream are a development partner, they are not part of SIE worldwide studios. We cannot comment on working conditions within studios we don't operate".
That's all they need to say. It's nothing to do with them anyway.
"Quantic Dream are a development partner, they are not part of SIE worldwide studios. We cannot comment on working conditions within studios we don't operate".
That's all they need to say. It's nothing to do with them anyway.
I don't know what was unclear about my post. I didn't believe him when I posted what I posted. Now I'm more inclined to believe him, as others have posted reasons as to how he would know, and he has even clarified since my post.
But hey, good job calling me out, I guess.
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Apparently he was blacklisted once before for a review, maybe he has grudge against QD/Sony.
Sony mostly isn't a gaming company and this will reflect extremely badly on the company as a whole.
I don't think anyone is trying to silence this , QD has already published a written statement , and there is already an legal action in place. There is no need , no reason to try to make it like it doesn't exist ..when it already exist. Every party involved has already acknowledged that this is a "thing" so ...
Well one look at this thread & it seems a lot of people know all the details
If you get blacklisted, you know. You know either because the company straight up tells you when you keep asking them questions (because the journalists have obviously been in contact with them prior to publishing the story), or you know because someone working at the company tells you in private. I'm legit confused at the fact so many people here would first think that a journalist would straight-up lie with no benefit to himself about this instead of thinking "Hey, I haven't worked in journalism or PR, there is probably something to this that I just don't know, maybe I shouldn't question this immediately based on my own ignorance". Not saying this was the case with you, but the weird focus on that part of the story is honestly confusing as hell to me.
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Like...jesus christ, people. Do you have absolutely no concept of what journalism is?
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Of course, it's fundamental to get more diffusion. But I have the sensation that some people only will believe this story if Kotaku writes an article.
It really won't though. Sure maybe to us here. Not the masses.
Yeah...he gives absolutely no proof that he was blacklisted. I wouldn't be surprised if he was, but I'd take this with a grain of salt unless we get actual evidence
You think so?
What happened with the naughty dogs thing? Did anyone bother to even get updated much less keep following it?
The truth is no one cares. Not us and certainly not sony. Whatever happens will be above the paygrade of an internet poster and will be swept aside by both the parties regardless of who's to blame. Nobody ever actually comes to back to these stories unless theres fresh controversy involved
This is why I said everything I wrote is speculation, because the research I did were all speculative with opinions from other users. There really isn't any public information about the contracts and the specifics of Sony and how they deal with inappropriate reportings from reporters.
Unless we actually get word from blacklisted reporters who they haven't signed any NDAs.
The ND thing was one guy on Twitter whose claims were hard to verify.
This is a major news publications interviewing 30 people.
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I don't think so? It was Gamekult that was blacklisted in the past, not him?He's got
Apparently he was blacklisted once before for a review, maybe he has grudge against QD/Sony.
There are definitely ways to find out. When I was blacklisted before by a publisher (not Sony, for the record) I was never 'officially' told, but somebody who I got on well with who worked at that company called me up and gave me a heads up. Sure enough, they didn't speak to me for 4-5 months, and then suddenly, out of nowhere, I started getting press releases from them again and they started answering my emails. Often times you can know, because the flow of information from PR to media is so constant where if somebody always chattering at you and always trying to get you to cover things suddenly falls completely silent it becomes clear something is up. Sometimes people just get flat out told, too, but that's much rarer.
Blacklisting is way more common than people realize, I think. It happens quite a lot and it happens for a lot less than a report as incendiary as this.
Weren't the Naughty Dog allegations proven to be false/exaggerated and were forgotten by a majority of the gaming community?
However I might be wrong about that. It's just what I remember from the old forums
ITT : people trying their very best to defend their favourite giant company for absolutely no damn reason. He's a pro journalist, what the fuck would he gain by claiming that he's been blacklisted ? We're not talking about your average youtuber or rando twitter, but a serious, professionnal journalist who's been reporting on a huge and condaming story.
No.
Why would anyone be in the slightest bit surprised at Sony's response? They don't care. They're simply fire fighting. Multinationals ultimately will say the right things and try and do them, but at their core, when stuff like this happens, its batten down the hatches and bury your head in the sand time and hope it gets better. Genuinely seems to be some people who have some very weird ideas about what Sony are and aren't. They're a multinational along with every single other multinational. Japanese too, which probably makes them quite conservative in approach.
Stoies about Cage getting to be as unbelievable as his stories.
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shadow of the colossus releases in a few weeks
this should be the time where, if you cover games for a publication, you start reaching out to the publisher about when you can expect to get a review copy, so you can plan your work
i'd imagine his e-mails are met with passive-aggressive silence
This is fair enough, and it may very well be the case. However, I question the journalist's judgement in sharing this information now. It seems like a lose lose situation for him. Regardless if this is true or not, he admitted that this information is basically hearsay. Sony could easily deny these allegations since he was not blocked any access from anything.
Okay, I guess what I'm trying to say is, this seems like they are punishing this kind of article being written. So yes they're not silencing this, but they would appear to be trying to silence articles like this. Otherwise why would they be punishing Lea Monde? Again, that's a genuine question.
To me logically, if the accusations were true and proved Sony would suffer from this so why would they risk it? Nothing came out of the ND incident if I recall correctly and nothing will come out of this either because Sony probably knows that its either not true or they dont care about their image which the latter seems quite ridiculous to me even if they are a huge corporation that can take the hit. Plus this whole blacklist story seem fishy as it is and many users pointed it out.
The danger for Sony is that this has potential to explode beyond gaming industry circles. With all the #metoo scandals over the last few months, no major corporation has actively punished a whistleblower until now. That makes this story new and worth highlighting for a publication. If that narrative gets put in a NY Times story or somewhere similarly respected and mainstream, it's a PR disaster at least as big as the PSN leak, probably bigger.
What the hell? Can we stop with this console war bullshit please? The guy works for the freaking Le Monde.
When Gamekult was first blacklisted, they at least gave some proof of how Sony tried to blacklist them. In that situation, I believed them. However, with him stating nothing but "I was blacklisted," I can't really believe him now
Wider investigations take time.
Between the ND scandal, and now this, you'r looking at a domino effect
This thread is about sony targeting one guy while no solid evidence (of blacklisting) has been presented from either sides.
Neither the publication nor sony have made an official statement on this.
Yet responses here are more or less identical to what they were all those months ago with all the boycott sony, sell ur ps4s and #4the players.
And id argue that the allegations back then were more serious than they are now. Blacklisting to defend a 2nd party studio vs not doing anything about sexual harassment at their wholly owned studio.
Just for clarity's sake, im not arguing about qd's work ethics here. Thats a different issue entirely. This is about this thread.
Companies dont send you a card saying "you just got blacklisted, booya!", you know. In fact, blacklisting is the exact opposite of warning you of anything.
The insanity in this thread keeps getting more insane. The sheer ignorance some people here shows is utterly fucking ridiculous.He's got
Apparently he was blacklisted once before for a review, maybe he has grudge against QD/Sony.
What console war? I'm not gonna believe random twitter posts without evidence no matter where he works.
Just got around to reading the article, I assumed it was about one of the controversial scenes in the game. This is much more serious.
By not showing any proof he was blacklisted in an incredibly vague tweet? Hope his journalistic standards are above his level of tweets.
By not showing any proof he was blacklisted in an incredibly vague tweet? Hope his journalistic standards are above his level of tweets.
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What a mess.
I wish I could understand all this better. I regret not learning French when I had the chance.