[LEAK] Massive Devil May Cry 5 Info (Potential heavy spoilers inside!)

[Deleted member 671]

Considering how unwise it would be to hold off on a sequel to Dragon's Dogma for so long, I have to agree with you. And it's not like the OP's "leak" got any kind of confirmation anyway since it was posted.

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...Why would it be unwise? Dragon's Dogma has sold 3.5 million after 5 years and being released four times (OG on 360/PS3; Dark Arisen on 360/PS3; Dark Arisen on Steam; Dark Arisen on Xbone/PS4). That's not much considering it took the largest team in Capcom history at the time to make the game http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-20-dragons-dogma-can-sell-10-million-worldwide-reckons-capcom(For reference, RE 6 had 600 people at the time) and it's not much considering it's an open world game and how much it costs to make an open world game on PS4/Xbone.

There's also the fact that they've made and are maintaining Dragon's Dogma online and they are releasing Monster Hunter World in less than a months and I doubt they'd make two similar open world games (at least in the eyes of the market) at the exact same time (development on World started in mid 2014) while also having an online title in the same franchise.

I'd be really surprised if it was DD 2.

 

[Dahbomb]

Considering how unwise it would be to hold off on a sequel to Dragon's Dogma for so long, I have to agree with you. And it's not like the OP's "leak" got any kind of confirmation anyway since it was posted.

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I can't believe you fell for Jawmuncher's very clear troll bait.

Then again not at all surprised considering someone who thinks Itsuno's new project might actually be DD2 over DMCV. Better accept reality before the eventual disappointment.

 

[JEH]

I believe in CvS3.

 

[Extreme Tactician]

Ah yes, I don't think I said it was discredited even if I don't believe it. Did I?

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You did post in the DMC mobile thread about being sad that SoS was gonna be banned in E3, meaning you think that the mobile game somehow discredited the leak.

 

[Adamska]

...Why would it be unwise? Dragon's Dogma has sold 3.5 million after 5 years and being released four times (OG on 360/PS3; Dark Arisen on 360/PS3; Dark Arisen on Steam; Dark Arisen on Xbone/PS4). That's not much considering it took the largest team in Capcom history at the time to make the game http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-20-dragons-dogma-can-sell-10-million-worldwide-reckons-capcom(For reference, RE 6 had 600 people at the time) and it's not much considering it's an open world game and how much it costs to make an open world game on PS4/Xbone.

There's also the fact that they've made and are maintaining Dragon's Dogma online and they are releasing Monster Hunter World in less than a months and I doubt they'd make two similar open world games (at least in the eyes of the market) at the exact same time (development on World started in mid 2014) while also having an online title in the same franchise.

I'd be really surprised if it was DD 2.

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How exactly does DD Online or MHW factor into this? The former is not a product aimed at international markets like the original DD, and the latter is a completely unrelated product. Dragon's Dogma was also much better received than DMC4's special edition, and it belongs to a genre that keeps seeing successful products across the board. Implying that making an open world game is somehow more expensive than making another kind of game makes no sense either, considering that a linear game can be as expensive as an open one due to scope. Let's not forget that the leak itself claims that the game is more open than previous entries, has boss fights that span multiple areas (and a camera system that made the developers proud to display the bigger and more open scope), is inspired by Dragon's Dogma and has destructible environments. Certainly doesn't look like a game with a small scope, so why would it necessarily be cheaper to make than Dragon's Dogma 2?

Better accept reality before the eventual disappointment.

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I'll only be disappointed if it's as bad as DMC4.

You did post in the DMC mobile thread about being sad that SoS was gonna be banned in E3, meaning you think that the mobile game somehow discredited the leak.

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Please don't misunderstand my posts, I said that the mobile game (and the new HD Collection) furthered my skepticism of the leak, not that they disproved it.

 

[Dahbomb]

A brand new Western RPG IP from a Japanese studio from an acclaimed director is received better than a low budget update to a 10 year old game...

And as far as "reception" goes, their reviews are around the same on MC. DMC4SE was aimed at the hardcore DMC fans for the most part and it did the job right, it sold well for Capcom (Capcom boasting profits for once thanks in part to DMC4SE).

And CrimsonCrescendo , I don't know about how expensive Dragon's Dogma was but it had far less people working on it than RE6. 150 people with 2/3 year development time. And honestly anyone who played Dragon's Dogma knows it's not exactly crazy high budget game, the game feels unfinished and sparse. Based on what we know about DMCV and that new picture of 60 people on the main development team (not even including the voice actors, mocap people, outsourced people etc)... the budget for DMCV might actually be equivalent to DD.

 

[Deleted member 671]

How exactly does DD Online or MHW factor into this? The former is not a product aimed at international markets like the original DD, and the latter is a completely unrelated product. Dragon's Dogma was also much better received than DMC4's special edition, and it belongs to a genre that keeps seeing successful products across the board. Implying that making an open world game is somehow more expensive than making another kind of game makes no sense either, considering that a linear game can be as expensive as an open one due to scope. Let's not forget that the leak itself claims that the game is more open than previous entries, has boss fights that span multiple areas (and a camera system that made the developers proud to display the bigger and more open scope), is inspired by Dragon's Dogma and has destructible environments. Certainly doesn't look like a game with a small scope, so why would it necessarily be cheaper to make than Dragon's Dogma 2?


I'll only be disappointed if it's as bad as DMC4.

Please don't misunderstand my posts, I said that the mobile game (and the new HD Collection) furthered my skepticism of the leak, not that they disproved it.

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Dragon's Dogma Online and Monster Hunter World are both aimed at the domestic market, and Monster Hunter World is aimed at international. They don't need three open world games aimed at domestic and two internationally released in the same year and a half window.

I'll concede to Dahbomb on the budget.

 

[darkslayer101]

Where there is smoke, there's fire...

If any of y'all expecting or think Itsuno's title is DD2, then kindly point us to the smoke please

 

[super moustique]

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Itsuno, my man, I'm still expecting it. No need to worry !

 

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Deliver onto us DMCV Itsuno!

 

[Dahbomb]

Deliver onto us DMCV Itsuno!

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[Jadusable]

Every time this gets bumped I die a little inside

 

[Adamska]

They don't need three open world games aimed at domestic and two internationally released in the same year and a half window.

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If it's what would sell the best, why wouldn't they need that? It's not like other publishers shy from doing similar things, otherwise Destiny 2 wouldn't release in the same year as Call of Duty or Titanfall 2 wouldn't release the same year as BF1. We can play armchair analysts all we want, but the truth remains that it's entirely possible that Capcom is developing DD2 right now.

A brand new Western RPG IP from a Japanese studio from an acclaimed director is received better than a low budget update to a 10 year old game.

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I wouldn't call Dragon's Dogma a western RPG, but yes, it is unsurprising that it was received better, just as it'd be unsurprising that it is about to get a sequel.

 

[ArjanN]

We can play armchair analysts all we want, but the truth remains that it's entirely possible that Capcom is developing DD2 right now.

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Sure it's possible, it's just way more likely to be DMCV.

 

[Dahbomb]

You want to make a bet over this or nah?

 

[ColdVergil]

If it's what would sell the best, why wouldn't they need that? It's not like other publishers shy from doing similar things, otherwise Destiny 2 wouldn't release in the same year as Call of Duty or Titanfall 2 wouldn't release the same year as BF1. We can play armchair analysts all we want, but the truth remains that it's entirely possible that Capcom is developing DD2 right now.


I wouldn't call Dragon's Dogma a western RPG, but yes, it is unsurprising that it was received better, just as it'd be unsurprising that it is about to get a sequel.

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Wonder where are the DD 2 leaks or rumors cause I haven't seen literally any.

 

[Rubblatus]

Wonder where are the DD 2 leaks or rumors cause I haven't seen literally any.

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Itsuno does not tolerate snitches. That's why we weren't hearing rumors about DMC3:Special Edition coming until like six minutes after DMC3 came out.

 

[Dahbomb]

Itsuno does not tolerate snitches. That's why we weren't hearing rumors about DMC3:Special Edition coming until like six minutes after DMC3 came out.

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There were no rumors for DMC3SE before it came out, it came out of the blue at TGS. There were rumors for DMC3 beforehand though, through the mocap for Lady who essentially admitted to be working on DMC3.

 

[Adamska]

Wonder where are the DD 2 leaks or rumors cause I haven't seen literally any.

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First I would wonder why OP's leaks haven't been verified yet. I mean, if it's so natural for them to occur surrounding what Capcom is doing.

You want to make a bet over this or nah?

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Sure thing. I bet I'll enjoy whatever's next for this series, regardless of the conversation surrounding it (if the game's any good, that is).

 

[Dahbomb]

Sure thing. I bet I'll enjoy whatever's next for this series, regardless of the conversation surrounding it (if the game's any good, that is).

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[darkslayer101]

First I would wonder why OP's leaks haven't been verified yet. I mean, if it's so natural for them to occur surrounding what Capcom is doing.

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Well the mods trust OP's sources to an extent for this thread to exist. Not all of it can be verified until closer to announcement just like for every other leak out there.

Also there is more to DMCV than this leak obviously, like teases from voice actors, capcom's fiscal reports, "secret" project that the cast of previous DMC games working on, Itsuno's twitter timeline/comments/interviews, HD collection in march and the 4SE teases and that is just naming a few. Any DMC fan who has been tracking all of this since 4SE can easily see that the teases are not just random coincidences. Honestly my reaction to this leak was just meh because I am constantly being updated on such teases by the DMC community.

While the only thing rooting for DD2 is the port of the original to PS4/X1 last year. Also i find it bizarre even from Capcom to make DD2 with MHW going to be out soon.

 

[ColdVergil]

Also i find it bizarre even from Capcom to make DD2 with MHW going to be out soon.

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This is like the biggest counter argument to DD2 happening soon.

 

[Hyugul]

 

[Aokiji]

A LITTLE UPDATE

• PlayStation 4 first, PC later
• Unreal Engine 4
• Third playable character is most likely Vergil

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[Adamska]

Well the mods trust OP's sources to an extent for this thread to exist. Not all of it can be verified until closer to announcement just like for every other leak out there.

Also there is more to DMCV than this leak obviously, like teases from voice actors, capcom's fiscal reports, "secret" project that the cast of previous DMC games working on, Itsuno's twitter timeline/comments/interviews, HD collection in march and the 4SE teases and that is just naming a few. Any DMC fan who has been tracking all of this since 4SE can easily see that the teases are not just random coincidences. Honestly my reaction to this leak was just meh because I am constantly being updated on such teases by the DMC community.

While the only thing rooting for DD2 is the port of the original to PS4/X1 last year. Also i find it bizarre even from Capcom to make DD2 with MHW going to be out soon.

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Back in 2012, Capcom released Resident Evil 6, Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City, Resident Evil Revelations and HD ports of Umbrella Chronicles and Darkside Chronicles. Monster Hunter really doesn't strike me as something that would somehow impede them from making Dragon's Dogma, these are extremely different games even if they fit the same genre.

Also, so far I've seen no tease that would make me backtrack on any comment I gave. I do think the "community" or such has viewed some social media interaction in a needlessly hopeful light (and I don't care if they do, but I'm also entitled to my opinion which is all I ever posted so far). Releasing the HD Collection after releasing DMC4SE is very natural, Capcom has been very aggressive with their porting efforts. But the leaked information never felt factual and the mods absolutely do not trust OP enough, otherwise his account wouldn't be on the line.

 

[Extreme Tactician]

Back in 2012, Capcom released Resident Evil 6, Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City, Resident Evil Revelations and HD ports of Umbrella Chronicles and Darkside Chronicles. Monster Hunter really doesn't strike me as something that would somehow impede them from making Dragon's Dogma, these are extremely different games even if they fit the same genre.

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And how successful were they? As far as I know, only Revelations was successful both critically and commercially. RE 6 and Operation Raccoon City were hated by a lot of people despite selling well, and I have no idea about Darkside and Umbrella Chronicles.

 

[Adamska]

And how successful were they? As far as I know, only Revelations was successful both critically and commercially. RE 6 and Operation Raccoon City were hated by a lot of people despite selling well, and I have no idea about Darkside and Umbrella Chronicles.

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I'm not sure how successful the 3DS game was (seems like it never crossed 1 million units), but RE6 and ORC sold very well as of today. I don't think sales of these games were harmed due to them being released in the same year.

 

[Extreme Tactician]

I'm not sure how successful the 3DS game was (seems like it never crossed 1 million units), but RE6 and ORC sold very well as of today. I don't think sales of these games were harmed due to them being released in the same year.

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I know that RE 6 and ORC sold well. I was talking about how successful they were critically.

 

[R.T Straker]

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I love Reuben and Southworth. They're bros for life <3

 

[Akainu]

Don't really get why DmC, to him, doesn't work as an example when game design revision befitting of current trends is exactly what DmC was set out to be.

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You can hate on DmC as much as you want but they really aren't that different from each other. The difference between gow3 and gow is like night and day.

 

[Adamska]

I know that RE 6 and ORC sold well. I was talking about how successful they were critically.

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Their critical reception has nothing to do with them being released the same year. RE6 had severe camera issues on day one. Not sure what the problem was with ORC.

 

[Sesha]

Back in 2012, Capcom released Resident Evil 6, Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City, Resident Evil Revelations and HD ports of Umbrella Chronicles and Darkside Chronicles. Monster Hunter really doesn't strike me as something that would somehow impede them from making Dragon's Dogma, these are extremely different games even if they fit the same genre.

Also, so far I've seen no tease that would make me backtrack on any comment I gave. I do think the "community" or such has viewed some social media interaction in a needlessly hopeful light (and I don't care if they do, but I'm also entitled to my opinion which is all I ever posted so far). Releasing the HD Collection after releasing DMC4SE is very natural, Capcom has been very aggressive with their porting efforts. But the leaked information never felt factual and the mods absolutely do not trust OP enough, otherwise his account wouldn't be on the line.

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That's not how that works. The same conditions applies to SoS as to everyone making topics claiming they have information without any concrete evidence to back it up.

 

[Adamska]

That's not how that works. The same conditions applies to SoS as to everyone making topics claiming they have information without any concrete evidence to back it up.

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But if he had evidence and showed it to the mods but not in the thread wouldn't it still be a leak but without the risk of getting banned? I thought that was how this worked.

 

[AgentLampshade]

But if he had evidence and showed it to the mods but not in the thread wouldn't it still be a leak but without the risk of getting banned? I thought that was how this worked.

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Or he doesn't want to expose his sources and get people fired?

 

[Adamska]

Or he doesn't want to expose his sources and get people fired?

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He could disclose it to the mods without such risk yes. I'm pretty sure most leaks from the other place were like that.

 

[Dahbomb]

It seems so fresh in my mind but we are in the verge of the 5th anniversary of DmC...

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

It seems so fresh in my mind but we are in the verge of the 5th anniversary of DmC...

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When DmC:Devil May Cry is on the verge of getting a 5th anniversary remaster (rerelease) before Devil May Cry V is announced, FeelsBadMan.

Also, there weren't any leaks of DMC3:SE because it came out like 9 months after DMC3. DMC3 was still close to full price at retail when DMC3:SE came out, which was effectively the greatest hits version.

 

[R.T Straker]

It seems so fresh in my mind but we are in the verge of the 5th anniversary of DmC...

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Verge of the 5th anniversary since this awesome series died.

Feelsbad indeed.

 

[II JumPeR I]

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First part probably isnt true at all..

 

[Jacob LeBeau]

In b4 it's all fake

 

[Sesha]

But if he had evidence and showed it to the mods but not in the thread wouldn't it still be a leak but without the risk of getting banned? I thought that was how this worked.

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SoS doesn't risk getting permed simply because the mods don't trust him. The risk would have been there regardless.

 

[DantesLink]

It seems so fresh in my mind but we are in the verge of the 5th anniversary of DmC...

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You know what would be neat, PC version of DE on the anniversary. Yeah...(STARES AT CAPCOM).

 

[Sub Boss]

Someone should inform Kamiya that words mean things.

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Sometimes i think Kamiya is a bit off at speaking English and thats why his comments come off as weird or misinterpretations,combined with his iconic angry attitude , saying random ideas caused this mess, like maybe he thought thats the direction CAPCOM could take after DmC because GOW is still by far the best selling series in the genre.
At least i think so because im no native either

huh this thread has been moving slowly :p

 

[Dahbomb]

This thread is a month old and isn't the DMC OT either. It's about time it finally slowed down.

 

[Adamska]

First part probably isnt true at all..

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But why?

You know what would be neat, PC version of DE on the anniversary. Yeah...(STARES AT CAPCOM).

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I always thought that was such a strange omission. I mean, I'm pretty sure there are mods for the original DmC that make it play exactly like (or close to) the Definitive Edition, but they should've at least gave PC players an option to upgrade to the definitive edition.

 

[darkslayer101]

This thread is a month old and isn't the DMC OT either. It's about time it finally slowed down.

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It will only slow down when HD collection is out and has its own thread. But if there is a DMCV tease with it...,......

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

It's actually interesting to note, but did anyone else not find it odd how Kamiya is basicallly imagining what DMCV will be like, out of the blue. And then telling people that Itsuno will take care of the franchise (for those let-down by Ninja Theory's DmC)?

Like, assuming they are friends and I assume they are, he's basically flat out admitting that DMCV is a thing. Unless of course, every year - once per year since DMC4's release in 2008, he ponders what DMC5 should be like....

It just sounded like an otherwise odd thing to think about then all of a sudden he starts thinking about it....hm

 

[Noroi_Kisaragi]

It's actually interesting to note, but did anyone else not find it odd how Kamiya is basicallly imagining what DMCV will be like, out of the blue. And then telling people that Itsuno will take care of the franchise (for those let-down by Ninja Theory's DmC)?

Like, assuming they are friends and I assume they are, he's basically flat out admitting that DMCV is a thing. Unless of course, every year - once per year since DMC4's release in 2008, he ponders what DMC5 should be like....

It just sounded like an otherwise odd thing to think about then all of a sudden he starts thinking about it....hm

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He posted it literally 45 minutes after an Itsuno tweet about DMC5.

Kamiya's still salty and is still trying to attack DMC's fanbase is my hot take.

 

[Dahbomb]

It's actually interesting to note, but did anyone else not find it odd how Kamiya is basicallly imagining what DMCV will be like, out of the blue. And then telling people that Itsuno will take care of the franchise (for those let-down by Ninja Theory's DmC)?

Like, assuming they are friends and I assume they are, he's basically flat out admitting that DMCV is a thing. Unless of course, every year - once per year since DMC4's release in 2008, he ponders what DMC5 should be like....

It just sounded like an otherwise odd thing to think about then all of a sudden he starts thinking about it....hm

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The only person who doesn't think that DMCV is a thing that actually exists is that Adamska dude.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Kamiya outdid DMC with Bayonetta and is now challenging Itsuno to step his shit up