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Leaked Clips from The Joker [WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS] Up: Second Clip Leaked [SEE STAFF POST]
- Thread starter SweetNicole
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So that we can have eternal flamewars about whether he or Ledger's Joker is better?
I was on spyder monkey's side in this argument not too long ago although ERA argued with me like they are on this thread, I will say that one difference between the equivalences you guys are making (violence in other movies/video games) is that the joker is already specifically worshipped by those types of people and now this story is from his point of view as the protagonist.
We still don't know how the movie goes/ends (for the most part anyway) so who knows what the end result will be. im justifying it now by saying that because they already worship him this movie will not tip anyone over to his side more than they already are and hopefully thats the case.
We still don't know how the movie goes/ends (for the most part anyway) so who knows what the end result will be. im justifying it now by saying that because they already worship him this movie will not tip anyone over to his side more than they already are and hopefully thats the case.
The line is expect to receive some criticism if you make a movie that tries to paint a murderous villain as sympathetic using dialogue straight from incel hate boards.
No one is calling for "censorship" here. But god damn, this movie is going to get some criticism. Judging from that first clip, it will be well deserved.
Not really a fan on the first clip due to the dialogue, thought the joke in the second 'landed' much better.
What question? I said the twist and story are bad. Phoenix is good.
Fuck, The Master is so good. Watching this clip just made me want to watch it again.
....Honestly I think the second clip (first clip not so much) put me off from watching the movie.
I think that it's too much for me. I get that people love movies that don't hold back and stuff but watching this made me realize I just don't agree. I don't know. I'm being too soft I know. I just wasnt comfortable. And I know that that's the point, but I was uncomfortable enough to second guess watching this.
I think that it's too much for me. I get that people love movies that don't hold back and stuff but watching this made me realize I just don't agree. I don't know. I'm being too soft I know. I just wasnt comfortable. And I know that that's the point, but I was uncomfortable enough to second guess watching this.
It's not the rest of the world's problem to fix America's.tHe joKEr DOesN't iNSpIRe pEOpLe
2012 Aurora theater shooting - Wikipedia
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Please don't take it to mean that the character shouldn't exist or anything, but he doesn't work as a protagonist because his ideology is super sympathetic to people like James Holmes.
The reactions are enough. I'm gonna wait a few more weeks and save this insanity for the cinema.
Are you supposed to sympathize with him? Because I don't.
Do you have to sympathize with the protagonist of a story? Hell no. This is a really ignorant thought process. A main character doesn't have to be a hero.
And it's screening everywhere, not just America. Blaming a movie is dumb
Unfortunately, there are way too many shitty people in the world who will sympathize with him. We've already seen it before, and it's just going to get worse in a movie about a man being "mistreated by the world" so much that he snaps.
The Joker never should've had a movie like this made about him.
That's an America problem, not a world problem. It's on YOU to fix it.
Yeah, which is why OUR FILM INDUSTRY shouldn't be contributing to this shit by making movies like this.
I think imo the people afraid this will inspire incels are afraid of incels. They legitimize their views by saying they will think this. Why the hell would you care what they think they are crazy
So the solution to America's gun violence and mental health epidemics is.....self censorship?
They're showing violence, but not showing it in tight detail. The camera is far away, or cuts a second before a big impact, so your brain fills in the blanks and makes it even worse. It is both good acting, and amazing direction. But I still worry the full script does not match up to those top tier talents
Please point to where I said Nolan, Ledger and The Dark Knight caused Aurora.
That wasn't the point. Just that we need to treat a character like the Joker a lot more cautiously because we live in a society where right-wing white supremacist terrorists use the Joker as a point of sympathy. Giving a character like the Joker a platform where he can spiel a bunch of soundbites people like potential mass shooters can sympathize with even if it's unintentional and for the sake of drama is dangerous coming off real life tradgedies like this. Of course the writers don't do this intentionally, and violent movies don't cause shootings, I've said as much elsewhere but that one clip has me thinking that Todd Phillips should've read the room a bit more considering a lot of these tragedies like Aurora weren't too long ago.
I think what pisses me off the most though is a movie about a violent but sympathetic white man is getting Oscar buzz but if you made a similar movie but with a black man Trump would cry to shut it down and the rest of the world would go along with it.
it's almost like the US has a mass shooting problem unique to itself that doesn't have anything to do with a 1940s comic book character being a villain protagonist, nah that can't be it.
People that do bad things no matter what justification they use are in the end to blame for anything they do. Books, movies, songs, video games, these things get scapegoated enough but when it comes down to it, it's the person. And the truth is anything can set off a random person. Just like fear can make people worry and panic like they're doing here. If someone acts it's because of who they are. Not this movie. Not the next game or the next song or the next movie either. It's all about choices when it comes down to it.
Acting looks great, but it still makes me uncomfortable. I know, some of y'all will defend this no matter what and that's cool. At the same time, y'all should understand why this subject makes some of us uneasy in this day and age. It's not the fact that he's a villian and killing people. It's just that they choose to make him a loser who blames everyone else for his problems so he starts killing folks. And the fact that he's "inspires" others.
Would've been so much better if he was just a normal dude with a family, good job, whatever, who wanted some excitement so he decided to go all American Psycho, and if the movie made it clear that he was fucking nuts, and made him hated by everyone in Gotham. Not some figure to inspire folks to "Fight the Man." That shit is so lame.
Would've been so much better if he was just a normal dude with a family, good job, whatever, who wanted some excitement so he decided to go all American Psycho, and if the movie made it clear that he was fucking nuts, and made him hated by everyone in Gotham. Not some figure to inspire folks to "Fight the Man." That shit is so lame.
Part of the solution is not feeding the fire with pop fiction about sad men who get dumped by their girlfriends and go on fucking killing sprees.
We need to fix this shit and giving assholes like Holmes a rallying call to get behind is not the way to fix it. The world could've waited a decade or two for a movie about the goddamn Joker. Or just never made it at all.
This. I'm thankful I saw it because I was excited to see it before but I just can't handle this kind of hyperviolent shit in the context of "live action normal human guy turns a guy into a blood splatter". It made me literally sick, too realistic.
Like the second clip makes the first look like child's play. At least I could see the first as having been poignant, but if the whole movie is like that... no thanks.
I have to object to this. First Hangover is legitimately great and I like Old School well enough to call it a good movie.
Who cares if people sympathize with him? Most people might in a struggle type way, but 99.9999999999999999% won't act on any of this sympathy because they're decent individuals. The rest? Well, they were already a powder keg ready to blow and anything from what their parents dragged to their basements for dinner to being rejected by a woman on Tinder might set them off. You are not solving any problems by saying, "shouldn't be made 'cause people can sympathize with him". That's not the problem at all. It never was. You are just parroting the standard, "Violent video games make people violent". No, violent people already existed and just play violent video games or watch violent movies.
I doubt the film's intention is to glorify Joker. Again, whatever message crazy idiots absorb from this film, is not the films fault.
This is the same rhetoric I heard on some trash conservative show my co-worker was watching in the early morning hours when it came to gun violence in America. Again, stop using their playbook of moral panic about violence in film and games.