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Leaked Clips from The Joker [WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS] Up: Second Clip Leaked [SEE STAFF POST]
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You sound like this guy I know who claims that all racial violence is the result of people with mental problems. "Because normal people can keep their hate in check." Would you also agree that every single cop between Selma and Montgomery, Alabama has undiagnosed mental health issues?
Are you implying the Todd Phillips/Warner Bros. are purposely making this movie to rile up Incels?
I'm out.
Rile them up? No.
Take their money by giving them validation? Yes. That was probably the plan. Create controversy to get more asses in seats too, they wanted this debate to spark
People who blame violence on movies tend to be the same ones who blame it on mental health
How dare someone imply a capitalist entity would appeal to a focused market to take their money?!
What exactly about my post are you refuting?
Do you think that the Columbine kids would have been fine if not for Matrix, Doom and KMFDM?
Do you think that James Holmes really was inspired by Joker even though those who researched him the most disagree?
Of course I recognize that racism is a widespread problem. I'm not sure why you think that this film will move the needle on that with thousands of overt platforms for it, including radio, TV news, the president, etc...
The movie in and of itself is not responsible for the violence. It just glorifies the violence of an *already* violent culture.
worrying about the film won't solve anything though. the film isn't the problem.
I apologize for being wrong. Aside from that explicit example that was incorrect, I do not think it is a stretch to say disaffected young men identified with the character and it was going to lead them anywhere it would be to the right, and then the alt-right. whose ideologies have gotten people killed. The prevalence of joker memes on image boards such as 4chan and the internet at large with the underlying violence-against-society messaging was not something being perpetrated by the left. It's important to understand how these things coalesce through culture and the internet and who they are speaking to and what message some people are getting from it.
I don't know that we need to "worry", that is different than being aware. It shouldn't like ruin anyone's day.
I elaborated my post. This movie also aims to profit out of this kind of controversy surrounding it.
If the rest of the film is as good as these clips it very much has the potential to be my favorite film in a long time.
I think I am going to see this in theaters now instead of waiting for rentals.
I think I am going to see this in theaters now instead of waiting for rentals.
Dog every post you've made in this thread has been dumb. Please stop it. You're talking out your ass. I consider myself a leftist but this aint it.
That was their plan? So they made a movie specifically to validate Incels? That was literally the only goal? C'mon now you're being super dense.
Well we generally agree that right wing talk radio, Fox News, and Trump are bad? Right? So why should this movie be exempt.
Lmao thank God this is not fanfiction, maybe they'll make it decent.
any profit this movie's going to make it soft the name of the DC character joker. Because outside of this forum and a few reviews there is no controversy.
Yes, it's worth recognizing that media can lead people to ideas, for good or bad.
When we worry about people misinterpreting something, however, then what's the solution? There have always been movies that could be misinterpreted. Scarface, for example, is seen as an aspirational tale by many people even though it's clearly not intended to be.
What's the solution?
Why does this conversation come up for this movie and not for hundreds of others that could similarly be misinterpreted?
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Dog every post you've made has been validating sexual and racial violence. You please stop it.
I can't wait till this thing comes out and it doesn't turn out to be the Manchurian Candidate-esque trigger that activates all the incels to riot and murder like you guys assume it will. This is one of the most regressive arguments I've ever seen from such a place of established progressiveness that it's just depressing to see happen.
It's an elseworld movie. If this joker were in Matt Reeves Batman then you might have a case, but it's purposefully trying something different.
It's just a different take on a character. Just like, don't see it.
All the trailers have gotten pretty wildly shared and discussed, is it really surprising that people that want to see it would come into this thread to talk about it with you and others?
Are you really trying to compare this movie to right-wing fear-mongering and Trump's rhetoric?
I think these spoil the beginning and the end. Or at least bookend. And in reverse order of posting and I wish I hadn't watched them because they sure did spoil big plot elements.
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You're dumb as fuck and it's embarrassing and disrespectful to actual sexual and racial violence. Fuck off.
im flabbergasted. People are thinking a comicbook villain of the past half century is a real person
Because it's not remotely comparable. I sincerely doubt that the takeaway that the screenwriter, director or Phoenix are trying to instill is that this is a character to emulate or look up to. Judging something by the worst misinterpretation of it seems misguided at best. Goodfellas, Scarface, Taxi Driver, American Pscyho, American Gangster, Raging Bull, etc... could all be misinterpreted in ways that can cause harm. What's the solution? I sure don't think it's to isolate anyone that sees the movie (particularly when 90%+ of the audience will not interpret it they way you think they will).
Hard to see a difference from where I'm standing.
Whatever you say guy who defends a movie lionizing the violent outbursts of a guy who doesn't get with the woman he wants to.
I think it comes up for this movie because chan culture (and other places on the net) is a pretty specific thing, white men who think they are vicitmized and outcasted and who have a desire to burn everything down with no regard for society, and a pretty direct correlation can be drawn there with that type of individual as the leading figure.
Ad for what the solution is, I don't know, that's why I advocate just being aware.
People weren't generally already committing mass murders over the themes of Taxi Driver before the movie came out.
As for people taking the wrong interpretation, have you never met someone who watched Fight Club?
Going to the wide shot of about what the home audience for the gun shot was pretty effective for the moment. Definitely uncomfortably realistic violence. Obviously good acting. I'll see it eventually.
No one is suggesting there weren't leaks before the screenings or really saying much about your opinion on the movie. They are telling you it makes no sense to come into a thread for a movie you've seen and say the leaked script makes it "seem bad", and only later mention you've actually seen the film and are judging it based off that. The final product is obviously far more relevant, so why would you start off talking about a leaked script? It reads like you gave an opinion based on the script that is widely available, then decided to lie about having seen it already to legitimize that opinion.
Rather that's what happened or not I don't really care. I am not invested in the debate around this movie or its quality.
You seem to be misunderstanding everyone who is bringing up your first post...
No one is suggesting there weren't leaks before the screenings or really saying much about your opinion on the movie. They are telling you it makes no sense to come into a thread for a movie you've seen and say the leaked script makes it "seem bad", and only later mention you've actually seen the film and are judging it based off that. The final product is obviously far more relevant, so why would you start off talking about a leaked script? It reads like you gave an opinion based on the script that is widely available, then decided to lie about having seen it already to legitimize that opinion.
Rather that's what happened or not I don't really care. I am not invested in the debate around this movie or its quality.
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Yes, I've met plenty of people who watched Fight Club. The overwhelming majority understood the film and didn't idolize Tyler Durden. The few who did think that Tyler Durden was "cool/badass" whatever didn't act on that belief or interpretation, so it didn't really matter that they misinterpreted.
What you're advocating leads to very one-dimensional media that makes it crystal clear what's good and bad. At that point you might as well go back to the old Westerns in which good/bad was easily denoted by the color of the character's hat.
Also the folks who are saying incels will be inspired by a fictional comic book character in a movie are really blaming the media form as inspiration which can result in acts being done. This is the same basic holistic argument that republicans make when they say vulnerable individuals can be inspired by violent video games and inspired to commit mass shooting like they do in a video game
it is also the same argument of right wing Christian churches who say sex in movie scenes might inspire folks to be lewd in society
it is also the same argument of right wing Christian churches who say sex in movie scenes might inspire folks to be lewd in society
Exempt from what? How is this movie comparable to Trump and the gop's propaganda?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. What is happening
Looks incredible judging by that clip. I haven't read the script but from what's in those clips I see this having more of the opposite reaction people are predicting. I don't think it will inspire anyone to violence but will inspire people to take up action against violence
Apparently Tipper Gore was much more influential than we realized.
Because it justifies and glorifies the ideology of white, sexually unsuccessful men who already commit mass violence on the regular?
I don't I can trust people on here saying they saw the film. I remember when Shazam was coming out some dude swore up and down that the movie was gonna be terrible and how he asked a bunch of people at his screening. A week later the movie turned out great. Lmao.
So your take away from this movie you haven't seen is that the joker is portrayed as the good guy and isn't challenged? The joker killing people and snapping is totally justified within the context of the movie?
how Does a 50 year old universally beloved evil comic book character doing evil sadistic things justify and glorify white unsuccessful men Who commit violence. Should we ban fight club next from screenings ?
should we ban breaking bad like shows because they might inspire a drug lord and drug dealers to try and get rich off of vulnerable folks ?
Considering how fucked the US has become, i'm pretty sure this movie will be fuel for some terrorist fucks to organize shootings. This is exactly the kind of character they identify with, and the glorified violence here will probably be seen as heroic and totally misinterpreted. Just pay attention to that script.
I couldn't help myself but watch this, the violence in this movie feels very real and intense. It's not glorified at all which I appreciate.
October can't come soon enough.
October can't come soon enough.
This movie is gonna be dangerous, we should storm our local theaters and burn all the copies in the street to prevent any damage from being done to the susceptible populace.
Now I've only seen trailers but I'm pretty sure he gave that girl the big smooch.