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Leaked Clips from The Joker [WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS] Up: Second Clip Leaked [SEE STAFF POST]
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No it doesn't, that is ridiculous and it won't stop being ridiculous if you keep saying it, because we can all clearly see the horrific clips to which you are referring and they very obviously are not portraying a sympathetic character of this nature. Furthermore, artists are not responsible for people taking the wrong message from their work, and society is not responsible for sanitizing media to ensure that never happens.
If the leaked script ends up being real, don't tell me that....
The ending is where the Joker is dancing on the street neighborhood's stairs after he killed his crush, just after he got friendzoned
What about the ominous tone and intense music of the scene, or the audience shouting in horror and fear at what the Joker did?
This isn't really being portrayed as badass or cool, it's meant to be horrifying which I think they did a good job at emphasizing.
The Catcher in the Rye had a message to shoot John Lennon for someone looking for that message.
Crazy finds justification anywhere.
Exactly. I'm not sure why some think these clips are supposed to make you sympathize with him.
I don't think I wanna see this anymore.
Very fucking true.
This is the joker that has any chance of possibly succeeding Ledger's.
After seeing the clips, I want nothing more than Batman to stop him. Any other force works too.
Very fucking true.
This is the joker that has any chance of possibly succeeding Ledger's.
After seeing the clips, I want nothing more than Batman to stop him. Any other force works too.
And it led to a direct uptick in violence and threats against muslims.
Nah innocent people just pay the price for their poor judgement.
But with a Batman that never "stops" him but let's him to continue to kill over and over.
Joker the movie won't cause mass violence. Joker the comic book character? Damn right he will.
I'm not watching the clips but is it really that unsettling?
Depiction is not endorsement is such a lazy and flawed argument in this context. This is film, where how things are framed (and I mean literally framed) and directorial decisions can have a huge impact on what you're communicating. This isn't a CCTV capture of real life events. You'd have to missed a lot to think Kubrick was merely depicting violence without any commentary in A Clockwork Orange or that Fincher had no design in his depiction of violence in Fight Club. It's more accurate to say depiction is not necessarily endorsement.
That's not to say this film may not have any intelligent commentary on violence, it might but we don't know until we watch it.
I'm not at all advocating for censorship of such works nor am I implying it creates any disruption in society but it's silly to say films are exempt from any assessment or criticism for their moral position. Is Birth of a Nation merely depiction?
That's not to say this film may not have any intelligent commentary on violence, it might but we don't know until we watch it.
I'm not at all advocating for censorship of such works nor am I implying it creates any disruption in society but it's silly to say films are exempt from any assessment or criticism for their moral position. Is Birth of a Nation merely depiction?
Yes. It's very unsettling because of the climate we live in.
It reminds me a lot of a horror movie in some ways. Which makes me very excited for it.
Not really. It is just extremely violent. I was talking more not wanting to watch it in theaters with more radicalized youth.
This is more or less what I'm getting at
Not really if you're used to seeing violent movies. Probably works better in the movie with the right build up.
No one is saying that. Context is obviously implied in such an argument.
(Depending on how scenes, themes, characterizations, and actions are framed), depiction is not endorsement
Birth of a Nation is endorsement. The KKK scenes in Mudbound are not.
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Why would the joker getting killed at the end solidify him as a bad guy? The ominous music and tension (and ya know, the murders)don't make that abundantly clear?
Listen, sure. Awful people could come away from this movie with the wrong message. But why worry? That can happen with any piece of media. Incels watch this movie and identify with something they shouldn't. What then?
You suggested a genuine increase in crime as a possibility of this movie releasing.
Like what
Context and nuances caused by the intent is implied when talking about depiction.
Yes, Birth of a Nation is in fact endorsement. It was based off a pro-KKK propaganda.
Here's the worst thing. Joker and Batman and all comic book heroes already get marketed as "for kids".
How many idiot dumbass parents took their under 12 kids to see rated R Deadpool? A LOT.
How many very stupid parents are going to let their under 12 kids see this Joker movie because it's just a comic book movie? Way too many.
And we cannot make that assessment until the film comes out so it's too early to say depiction is not endorsement in response to people's concerns about the film's premise, marketing and audience reactions thus far. Conversely it's also too early to say this film is justifying violent behaviour. It's difficult to make either claim just based on these clips. We can have a much better conversation on this subject post release.
My post was also partly directed at comparisons being made with A Clockwork Orange, which I think are too premature. We just don't know how cleverly this film will handle the material yet.
My question on Birth of a Nation was a rhetorical one if it wasn't clear.
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American Sniper was propagandic and jingoistic. That's very different from a movie like this, which based on those clips is clearly portraying the character and his actions in a negative light. If that's the climax of the film, it's presenting the protagonist and his actions as horrifying and disturbing
This dialogue is pretty mediocre but damn the acting is incredible.
I do think movies can be viewed by certain groups to fit their mindset and the individuals morph it into something terrible. I don't think I'd go as far as to say as a movie has the responsibility of that carrying over its shoulder. The main issue is the violent society that fostered this individual in the first place. One that has allowed alt-right and gun-flashing values to fester until it's become so prevalent we become numb to it.
It's on the individual themselves as well as real racists, bigots, and evil men and women in government that allowed violence to get this far in America.
I do think movies can be viewed by certain groups to fit their mindset and the individuals morph it into something terrible. I don't think I'd go as far as to say as a movie has the responsibility of that carrying over its shoulder. The main issue is the violent society that fostered this individual in the first place. One that has allowed alt-right and gun-flashing values to fester until it's become so prevalent we become numb to it.
It's on the individual themselves as well as real racists, bigots, and evil men and women in government that allowed violence to get this far in America.
That first clip gives me vibes that he may just end up being my favorite portrayal of Joker, even better than Heath imo.
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The culture of cinema is overrated and needs change anyway.
The culture of cinema gave no space to minorities and those who suffer under these types of villain protagonists for decades on end, until the doors had to be broken.
A culture that prides itself more on hearing the perspective of evil than those who suffer from it is one that needs to change. That goes into many media. You can tell the ones by how straight cis males dominated they are.
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The situation with American sniper and joker very different. American sniper was a rah rah bullshit patriotic movie about the American military. Why do you think joker will portray his actions in a similar light? In the leak clips he seems more like the monster in a horror movie.
Example.
There are people on this very site that think Killmonger was right