Yeah, the hate & sadness in his voice when he said that gave me hardcore goosebumps.
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Yeah, the hate & sadness in his voice when he said that gave me hardcore goosebumps.
Not sure this movie will be a template for joker. Mostly because, he kinda already has series, and well comic joker is already really really fucked up. So don't really see what they will take from this. Might be a one off Elseworld thing.
I can't believe people making the video game comparisons are serious. The video game panic in the 90s was over campy and schlocky video games that were overtly violent in some instances, but generally detached from reality and never attached to a serious ideology. This movie is very close to real life ideologies that are quite problematic in our society and can be easily seen as glorifying them. Then again, I guess it seems perfect for people who can't understand that nuance.
Considering a mass shooting at a Batman movie screening where the culprit claimed he was "the joker" has already happened once before....
Maybe educate yourself:
Also what is this bad faith "video games don't cause violence"?
Media as a whole CAN influence people, what do you think propaganda is?
Most video games don't influence mass shootings, because most video games don't push ideologies that advocate real violence against real people as positive things.
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Are you suggesting we censor / regulate content as to not trigger the Nutjobs ?
Do we think he did this because he was specifically inspired by the Joker's ideology? It seems more likely to me that he called himself the Joker because he decided to target a Batman showing.
Oh. Well then.
Either way, I don't think artists have any responsibility to consider how the worst of the world will interpret their pieces. If anyone lashes out due to a Joker movie, they were looking for a reason to in the first place.
again. No one is answering this who is concerned about it . Do you suggest we censor / regulate content as to not trigger nutjobs ?
No? Just include it in the discourse and be intelligent about it. Don't try to silence legitimate criticism with dumb arguments just because the edgy stuff in the movie looks cool. That's all. "I like the movie" and "I think the movie depicts a really shitty viewpoint" are two completely separate conversations that can happen at the same time.
Todd Phillips is not a bad filmmaker. I wish I hadn't seen the text description.. sucks. Oh well, it's on me for even risking coming into the thread.
You mean the star of the Venice Film fest? Perhaps differing opinions mate.
I think the mentality is more along the lines of people who think we shouldn't have news outlets broadcasting the names and faces of mass shooters and discussing their manifestos.
But I mean we do that anyway and I don't see this movie radicalizing anyone that the publicity generated by those myriad shootings and their coverage didn't already so I'm just gonna enjoy the movie if it's good
Fuck, that first clip is so visceral. Joaquin is obviously acting out of his skin but the sound design might be my favorite part.
This movie is going to a watershed moment.
This movie is going to a watershed moment.
I'm kind of confused about this post. I think the comparison to video games being brought up now has less to do with calling to mind the decades-old crusades by the likes of Jack Thompson and all the negative attention that ultimately led to the creation of the ESRB and more that this is something being brought up right now by right-wing politicians eager to find any scapegoat that isn't guns themselves to blame for gun violence. I think kids playing Calladuty is more the focus for them these days than Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat, and Doom.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but those clips seem to lean heavily into the mindset of the already deranged people who go on killing sprees for their "ideologies"..
I don't think it'll end up glorifying it necessarily, but I'm worried that it'll be the takeaway for a lot of unstable people already on that path.
Alright, he didn't claim he was "the joker". But it doesn't change the fact that the movie (if it does end up glorifying the joker in the way I think they might) might inspire people to commit mass murder, just like how we don't want people talking about the people who commit mass murder for fear that there'll be copycat crimes.
People are concerned about everything nowadays. Chilling scenes though and I can see why people talk about nutjobs getting that last kick they would need to do shit like this. Hmm, but we shouldn't censor stuff.
The OT for this movie is going to be absolutely insufferable. We should probably have a separate thread dedicated to the fearmongering.
They should both be called Joker |OT| jokers trick, as that is how our Lord and Savior joka baby would want it.
This movie is going to be incredible. Those clips were horrific, which was the intent. Todd is capable of greatness, but he's also capable of complete crap, so I wasn't sure what to expect but it sure sounds like he delivered an instant classic.
I vaguely remember the NZ killer shouted out PewDiePie or whatever his name is during his livestream.
People who are going to commit a mass shooting will latch onto anything that's popular at the time to push their message further.
The only one in recent memory who didn't was the Las Vegas shooter. Maybe that was down to his age?
People who are going to commit a mass shooting will latch onto anything that's popular at the time to push their message further.
The only one in recent memory who didn't was the Las Vegas shooter. Maybe that was down to his age?
He didn't want his motives known in quite the same internet-savvy way that other recent shooters did. I think your analysis of the NZ assailant's PewDiePie comment is spot on.
I normally will never go to the theater multiple times to see a film, but this I can see is one of those incredibly rare events that I want to experience in multiple viewings (Thanks, Regal!).
It's out of context and just a clip, but those clips made me not want to watch this at all in the least. Gross garbage.
I'm already sure people, the wrong sorts of people, will take the exact wrong message from this and that will be unfortunate as it's explicitly commenting on that.
I'm already sure people, the wrong sorts of people, will take the exact wrong message from this and that will be unfortunate as it's explicitly commenting on that.
Couldn't have said better myself. It's pretty sad to see the majority here just handwave this. Of course, we won't know if this movie theme is going to be portrayed well enough until release, but to just deny any kind of concern in this context is just naive.
Because the notion is writers producers and Hollywood execs should self censor , self regulate and shouldn't tell any story because God forbid it might be taken up as a cause by a nut like V for Vendetta, fight club, taxi driver,
I am against censorship, but I think it's fine to discuss these things in the context of criticism. I love Taxi Driver, American Psycho, and Fight Club. I recognize that it's OK for people to not like these films, and people are allowed to question whether the messaging is misinterpreted by most fans. Doesn't stop my enjoyment.
(I expect I will like Joker too, but will wait until I see it to judge it)
Nobody said anything about self censor. But honestly it's pretty out of touch if a movie glorifies and make us feel sympathetic to a mass murderer. What I mean I hope this movie accomplishes on setting the tone and message of disturbing and evil so people who are already on the edge can't use this movie as a acceptance of what they are thinking of doing.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if there isn't a mass shooting at a theater, school, or similar that is partly inspired by this. Some young, male loser in Joker makeup shooting up a screening of Frozen 2 wouldn't shock me at all at this point. And no, I'm not advocating censorship.
I love that you can feel Arthur and Joker being two distinct personalities. The snap happens in a matter of seconds, but Joker is every bit as majestic as the comic book incarnation. When Arthur finally snaps and talks to the camera I can't help but feel the similarities between that aura and the one Heath ledger had when he shot the "cam footage" in TDK.
Not the movie's problem that they sell guns like candy in Circusland, specially to crazy people. Blame the system, not the art.
How many mass shootings have occurred in the US that weren't at a cinema or idolizing some fictional character?
If it prevents 1 mass shooting per decade by not releasing this film... Cool you're now at 2999 mass shootings instead of 3000. I'm going to guess that movies aren't the problem.
Not only is it literally BS, but the dude was stockpiling guns and ammo months before the Dark Knight ~Rises~ even came out.
I winced at the amount of times I had to go all "a society" in this
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I'll note in advance that I'm not attempting to argue for any argument that he might have been inspired by the Joker, but this was during the time of Rises, not the Dark Knight. So Ledger's Joker had been around for a while at this point.
I'm inclined to think that people thinking this will lead to mass shootings that otherwise wouldn't happen are going a little far, but at the same time anybody brushing aside criticism about the movie mishandling themes as though they're asking for the film to be banned are far worse. You can't just brush aside criticism of Song of the South or even Birth of a Nation as "Well, movies don't inspire people to do bad things!" If it mishandles the themes (that aren't insignificant at the current time from isolation due to mental illness, the working class' hopelessness against violence at the hands of capitalist, and the incel aspects that seem to be neutered from the leaked script) the movie should be criticised for it. If it manages to handle them well like the films it's aping such as Taxi Driver do then it deserves it's praise. Though after watching one of the scenes I'm hedging my bet on the former.