Yeah, now the movie that "wouldn't even be attempted right now" is a fucking DC comic book blockbuster.I'm aware of that. Discourse is a hell of a lot different now to what it was in 2011.
Yeah, now the movie that "wouldn't even be attempted right now" is a fucking DC comic book blockbuster.I'm aware of that. Discourse is a hell of a lot different now to what it was in 2011.
We need to talk about Kevin has a hell of a lot more relevance to the alt-right / incels than this does. Yet you still have this idiotic circus carrying on about it.Yeah, now the movie that "wouldn't even be attempted right now" is a fucking DC comic book blockbuster.
I said it doesn't "need to be a moral compass or held responsible for larger societal issues". If a film chooses to make a statement, provide commentary or engage in bigotry, obviously those decisions should be questioned.
A movie about a mentally deranged person doesn't necessarily speak about the alt-right, nor does someone dressing up as a clown. It certainly talks about mental illness and how that addresses it will be interesting. However, the era and subject matter are not a direct commentary on the current political climate we have, so assuming that it must address it is being unfair to those involved with the film. To suggest otherwise implies that any movie about a mentally ill, white male must be about incels and the alt-right, therefore must touch on the subject in a certain way. Ultimately, it's up to the stakeholders in a movie to make the decisions in what they should and shouldn't address, and a movie should be judged on its merits, not whatever political statement people believe it should be making.
Outside of Kevin becoming a mass murderer, not really.We need to talk about Kevin has a hell of a lot more relevance to the alt-right / incels than this does. Yet you still have this idiotic circus carrying on about it.
I haven't seen the Joker with an AR-15 either.Outside of Kevin becoming a mass murderer, not really.
It's also hard to argue the movie has much relevance to the USA's disproportionate number of mass shootings when Kevin's murder weapon is a bow and arrow.
It relates to issues that have existed well before the current climate and will exist well beyond it. Social outcast becomes deranged and violent, this isn't a new concept.I was going to give up on this because you're seemingly flat out ignoring what I'm saying and constantly bringing up the alt-right as though that's the crux of this conversation when I didn't really mention it in regards to this movie outside of my first post where I said they'd adopt another icon if not the Joker.
I just wanted to point out suggesting it doesn't speak to the current political climate doesn't ring true at all. Yes it's set in the 80s, but the movie based at a time in a city on the brink of civil unrest in a period of immense wealth disparity, focuses on the cult of celebrity/memes being adopted as icons, and ultimately a mental ill individual that at least on some level is motivated by being spurned by a woman he's interested in. It's blatant that they relate to modern day issues.
Anyone have a new host for these clips? Every link I click in this thread is dead.
We Need To Talk About Kevin has nothing to do with politics, bullying, guns, or sexuality lmao. It even makes a point not to blame Kevin's behavior on mental health either.We need to talk about Kevin has a hell of a lot more relevance to the alt-right / incels than this does. Yet you still have this idiotic circus carrying on about it.
Bro could I get the links. I'm new here btw.I have two Google Drive links that a Reddit user sent me, so PM me if you want the links.
"How about another joke? What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash? I'll tell you what you get. You get what you fucking deserve!"
*shoots Rober DiNero in the face*
*sigh* This confirms my fears. I have been very suspicious of this film's interpretation of the Joker. They are depicting him as a pathetic, pitiable sap. And that's just not the Joker, to me. And, judging from the above line, it seems like he is, on top of all that, a self-pitying emo.
May be a good film, but what a sorry Joker.
Acting looks great, but it still makes me uncomfortable. I know, some of y'all will defend this no matter what and that's cool. At the same time, y'all should understand why this subject makes some of us uneasy in this day and age. It's not the fact that he's a villian and killing people. It's just that they choose to make him a loser who blames everyone else for his problems so he starts killing folks. And the fact that he's "inspires" others.
Would've been so much better if he was just a normal dude with a family, good job, whatever, who wanted some excitement so he decided to go all American Psycho, and if the movie made it clear that he was fucking nuts, and made him hated by everyone in Gotham. Not some figure to inspire folks to "Fight the Man." That shit is so lame.
Is Batman or his parents or butler or car or anything in this movie? I saw the mental hospital in the trailer. Any other stuff?
Is Batman or his parents or butler or car or anything in this movie? I saw the mental hospital in the trailer. Any other stuff?
It is. And I feel like that would've been a better take, and would've fit better into that "one bad day" thing. This current take is lazy. Yeah, the acting will be great because Phoenix is amazing, but they should've done more.
*sigh* This confirms my fears. I have been very suspicious of this film's interpretation of the Joker. They are depicting him as a pathetic, pitiable sap. And that's just not the Joker, to me. And, judging from the above line, it seems like he is, on top of all that, a self-pitying emo.
May be a good film, but what a sorry Joker.
I'm guessing you never read the Killing Joke where the Joker starts out as a pathetic, pitiable sap.
I did, and I had the same reaction there. But it was somewhat redeemed by the fact that he made up his past, so I didn't have to accept that it actually happened.
I did, and I had the same reaction there. But it was somewhat redeemed by the fact that he made up his past, so I didn't have to accept that it actually happened.
Much more interesting than some petty criminal falling into a vat of magic sauce that disfigures him and turns him into a super villain.*sigh* This confirms my fears. I have been very suspicious of this film's interpretation of the Joker. They are depicting him as a pathetic, pitiable sap. And that's just not the Joker, to me. And, judging from the above line, it seems like he is, on top of all that, a self-pitying emo.
May be a good film, but what a sorry Joker.
Not gonna lie, I always thought this was the weakest of the Joker's origins, so completely agreedMuch more interesting than some petty criminal falling into a vat of magic sauce that disfigures him and turns him into a super villain.