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Learning Japanese • 日本語の勉強 |これはOTです| ゆっくりしていいぞ!

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ようこそ!Welcome to the ResetERA Japanese Language thread!

The aim is to provide:
  1. A place for people to congregate, chat, and ask questions.
  2. A place to provide feedback and input on study tools (websites, books, dictionaries and apps).
  3. A place to provide support, strategies and study methods geared towards each students needs, limitations (time, resources) and goals.
Starting Japanese

When you start any task in life, you should have a clear idea of why exactly you’re doing it in the first place. Naturally, learning a language is no different, and knowing why you’re doing it is key to reaching your goal. With Japanese, it’s best to be honest with yourself as to why you’re studying it. Once you have that set in stone, your best bet is to structure your study around achieving that goal – for 2 reasons. The first being to achieve said goal, and the second, is because that reason is what will keep you studying, and keep you committed. You won’t get good overnight. You won’t become great within a year. There will be times when you will want to give up. But if you have a reason and you stick to it, you’ll make it through those dark times.

Are you studying Japanese so you can work in Japan?
Do you want to be a teacher?
Is it just a personal challenge with no real purpose?
Are you planning to take the JLPT?
Or do you just want to play games, read manga and watch anime?

This OP + thread is a place to help you achieve that goal. There will be people to talk to, questions to ask and a lot of things to learn. There will be a lot of debates and discussions. You’ll make mistakes, people will fix them, and you’ll learn from them. There will be no shame or embarrassment, ‘cause the thread exists for the sole purpose of helping and growing your understanding of this language. One last thing. The following is a combination of resources put together by Alanae アラナエ and myself. Credit where credit is due – I may have the first post but アラナエ got the OP started. Who wrote which part? Doesn’t matter, it’s all the same baby.

Before we get too far ahead, think back to those questions above. For this OP/guide to be of any use to you, we need to know why you’re studying Japanese so we can set you to the right starting point.

Head straight to the Learning and Reading Japanese section if you are:
  • Interested in reading manga
  • Interested in reading and playing Japanese games
  • Interested in reading Japanese light novels
  • Interested in reading Japanese News.
Head to the Studying and Speaking Japanese section, and swing back to the Learning and Reading Japanese section if you are:
  • Planning to take the JLPT
  • Aiming to speak Japanese (production)
  • Interested in watching Japanese dramas, movies and anime (without subs)
  • Interested in reading manga
  • Interested in reading and playing Japanese games
  • Interested in reading Japanese light novels
  • Interested in reading Japanese News.
Learning and Reading Japanese
For those looking for a more reading based approach to learning, アラナエ helped work on the guide here, but since its kind of long to put in an OP we’ll just summarize it below and disguise it as a resources list. You can find more detailed explanations of how to use the tools below in it.
Even if you're using a different learning method, the tools in the second half might come in useful for when you start reading.

Why?
Advantages to doing things through this method are:
  • You can for the most part avoid heavy rote memorization
  • Gets you to the point of being able to read decently very quickly
  • Arguably a more fun way of learning
  • Learning is more concentrated towards things that you'll currently be needing.
Disadvantages are:
  • The period when starting out reading can be very harsh (although it will quickly become easier after the initial barrier)
  • This method doesn't directly teach production (the understanding of the language you get from being able to read, will function as a good stepping stone to make learning to communicate it much easier, however)
  • If you'll want/need to be able to handwrite, you will have to find a different way to practice it than learning to through the direct learning of kanji one by one.
Starting out
First you might want to print out some kana sheets forhiragana and katakana, print these out and grab some sheets of paper and try to write them out row by row, while checking if you remember them.
If you have the time you'd be able to finish learning these over the span of 1-2 evenings.
If you would prefer a more gameful method, you could try playing through kanawarrior instead.
No need to fully master these 100% yet as you'll be seeing these all the time, if one slips from your mind you'll know right away and will be able to refresh your memory on it up pretty easily.

Vocab
Once you've gotten kana down there's two things you'd need to start working on next, grammar and vocab.
There's a ton of flashcard-based practice courses, both free and paid for. For this method anything that covers words, gives example sentences for understanding the usage of the word, and isn't something you'll get too attached to will do.
One example isthis deckfor anki.
If you dislike flash cards you it is possible to skip doing this, but it'll make the start of getting into reading things harder.

Grammar

For basic grammar there are multiple options, for those wanting something free and quick to breeze through there is tae kim's grammar guide (google it). Don't accidentally do the complete guide, as contrary to the name it isn't actually complete.
For those wanting more of a classroom experience you can try to hunt down the Genki I&II books (if you can’t find these online, check the Textbook section below).
Just like with kana, you don't need to fully master these yet at this point as you'll be coming across beginner grammar everywhere.

Reading
Once you've finished getting through the basic grammar, the real deal begins.
Here you work on improving your vocab, grammar and understanding of the language by reading a lot (and by reading things with voice acting or watching things with Japanese subtitles you can practice your listening skills).
When proficient in those, you can use those as a springboard to have a much easier time getting good at production.

The important thing is to make sure to look up everything (or at least strive towards doing so) you come across that you did not know yet, or (partially) forgot.
Repeatedly looking these up will cause them to stick eventually. When starting out it will be rather harsh, seeing how you'll probably need to be looking up most of the words in a line, so I would recommend prioritizing reading something that you're really motivated to read over simply only just trying to find things that are as easy to read as possible. After the harsh start things will become much more manageable quickly, as the rate at which you memorize new words increases as you know more of them.
Another thing that is important is to make sure to ask questions (you can ask them in this thread for example) in cases where you feel your understanding is off but cannot figure out why, or when you simply don't understand a sentence.
When asking, make sure to include a chunk of the surrounding text instead of only just the line/clause itself. The context will make it a lot easier to answer and in cases might change what the correct answer is.

Lookup methods
Due to the nature of how Japanese is, it can be quite troublesome to look up words in a dictionary, thankfully there are many tools to help with that.
For anything you can get to display in a web browser, you could get by with copy and pasting them into any dictionary, however, to save time and effort there are add-ons you can use to speed up the process:
For those using older/branch versions of firefox there's rikaisamathat you can use while it still works.
For those with up to date firefox/chrome there's yomichan.
If the thing you're trying to read is a visual novel or one of the few games it can support there is ITHVNR, which can hook onto the process and copy the text on screen into your clipboard.
Using something like clipboard inserter you can then get the text to show up in an empty or an augmented empty page so you can use rikaisama/yomichan on it.
For programs not supported by the above you can try and use hook any text on it(requires some skill in using computers).
If all the above doesn't work and what you're reading is being displayed on a computer screen then sharex has a ocr mode that works decently.
For methods that will work on everything (with some effort) there's the ocr on the google translate app, radical search on jisho, and the handwriting search in your IME.

Dictionaries

One thing to keep in mind is that the standard J>E dictionary that is used in pretty much everything, edict, has some drawbacks to learning new words with it.
This is because instead of giving definitions it instead just gives a list of various ways the word can be translated, grouping all the different meanings together. You're left to figuring out which meaning of the English word is meant, and to which meaning of the Japanese word it would be linked to, something that easily can cause you to learn things incorrectly.
The most straightforward way to solve this is to use a J>J dictionary. This might be a bit tricky when starting out so thankfully there are some alternatives.
The 英和Weblio辞典 website gives the definitions of the different meanings of the word and plenty of example sentences to help figure out how they're used.
The 研究社和英大辞典 does the same and can be loaded into rikaisama/yomichan and into Ebwin4 (standalone dictionary file reader).

You can also use ALC アルク as an alternative to Weblio; both are fine.
When using it in rikaisama make sure to put \n[・].+|ローマ.+|\〔.+?\〕|\n.+? .+" into the regex filter to reduce the amount of example sentences a bit so they don't fill your screen.

Flashcard deck building
After reading for a bit it'll be a good idea to start replacing the premade flash card deck with one of your own making. Simply just throwing in all words you come across in into it will have you end up with a rather large deck, so instead trying to to fill it with just the words you have trouble remembering would be a good idea.
Through a combination of rikaisama/yomichan, epwing2ankiand the 研究社和英大辞典 it is possible to quickly make batches of cards which include example sentences.
This is done by using a hotkey in rikai/yomi to save a word + the sentence it's in to a text file and using epwing2anki later on to convert all the words in that file into a deck using the definitions and example sentences of the dictionary.


Studying and Speaking Japanese

A key motif of the past Japanese Learning threads has been how critical it is to have a good foundation of Japanese. You want to be able to at least listen (understand), speak (produce) and of course, read. I’d argue writing is just as important, if only to save face when you need to do it. But if you don’t have any plans to write, you can neglect it (up to you).

If you’re going the self-study only route, then as a minimum you’ll want to dive into the following.
  • Start learning hiragana and katakana – print these out, and memorise them. Write them, read them, speak them. Do it like 2 hours a day or something – it should only take a week to memorise these with some effort.
  • Grab some textbooks so you can learn the basics. A lot of learners suggest Genki I and Genki 2 as the best starting points, followed by Tobira upon completion. I haven’t used these books so I can’t vouch for them. Personally, I worked with a Japanese tutor, and self-studied using Nihongo Challenge N4 (Grammar and Reading Practice), then moved on to the N3, N2 and N1 books.
I guess the important thing to remember at this stage is that no path is correct and you’ll need to make mistakes and learn things in pieces to start building your foundation. Do not hesitate to ask people in this thread for help and guidance, as starting and sticking to it is the hardest part.

Now, this OP is not designed to give you a set path for becoming a Japanese language master. It exists as an aid and tool for your self-study. For that reason, you’re free to pick and choose which things you incorporate into your study routine, based on whatever your goal is. These tools aren’t static; they’ll change over time as new resources become available, or as more people start sharing their tools that gave them success. The thread will live and die based on that input, so don’t be afraid to share.

Reading – Vocab, Kanji and Grammar
If you choose to bypass starting with the Learning and Reading Japanese section above, and instead head the more conventional textbook route, don’t feel like you’ve missed out. In fact, that will only make that approach even easier – for that reason, it’s recommended you refer to that section often as you gradually refine your reading skills.

The core things you’ll take away from any reading study will be:
  • Vocabulary
  • Kanji readings
  • Grammar patterns
Not all things you read will teach you the same thing (obviously). Wait…what does that even mean?

If you primarily read manga, you’ll get good at reading manga, but will struggle reading the news (at first).

If you primarily read the news, you’ll be able to read the news, editorial pieces and opinion pieces well, plus you’ll be able to read anything else. However, if you don’t read any manga, you’ll have a hard time adjusting to the change in style and liberties that come with that genre.

Reading light novels is a decent middle ground, but if you lean too heavily on it, you’ll pick up some weird styles - depending on the authors style – remember, with light novels you’re reading recounts, stories and third person explanations.

What’s the key here? Don’t rely on any one thing too much, unless that’s the only thing you want to be good at. If you want to be well rounded, read a lot of different things. There is no way around that. If you only care for manga, then only read manga. But don’t be shocked if you can’t read anything else without stumbling a lot.

Grammar and Vocabulary - 文法と語彙

Learning the required grammar to understand Japanese can only really come from two things; a textbook and exposure.

Textbooks

I’m not really sure where to put this, so now it’s going here. Depending on your level (you may be intermediate looking to take the next step), you’re going to need a textbook of some sort to develop even further. I’m going to list these books in 3 groups –
  • Essentials – grammar bibles that serve as study tools.
  • Developers - N4, N3, N2, N1 grammar/kanji/vocab/reading textbooks.
  • Complete Newbie – where to go if you’re just starting.
Bibles
  • Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced Dictionaries of Japnese Grammar are requirements. You may not need them now, but you will eventually. They have most (if not all) grammar patterns in them, with detailed English explanations and use cases. You need these if you’re serious about the language.
  • 日本語文辞典 is another goodie, but this time it’s all in Japanese. This is for your more advanced learner (N2/N1).

Developers

  • にほんごチャレンジ – Japanese Challenge – is a great place to start. This is an N4 level book that lists the first 110 or so grammar patterns that you’d need as a floor.
  • 短期集中初級日本語文法総まとめポイント20 - Short Term Focus: 20 Point Beginner Japanese Grammar Roundup) is a an excellent companion and an absolute minimum for understanding Japanese particles – when and how to use them. This also covers the basic grammar patterns you’ll need as a foundation.
  • 日本語そうまとめ – Levels N3, N2 and N1 (Grammar) – again, this series lists out the grammar patterns, their meanings, some example sentences, plus some tests/quizzes for you. There are about 150 per book; if you follow this series from N4 – N1 there should be about 650 grammar points. Rough! You can also use the Kanji and Vocab books if you feel inclined (I didn’t). These are a personal favourite of mine due to their simplicity. Tag them together with https://ejje.weblio.jp/ and the Bibles above, and you have a winning combination.
  • 中級日本語文法要点整理ポイント20 - (Intermediate Japanese Grammar Key Point Arrangement) – the next level of the 短期集中初級 book, this is another pearl that digs into the intricacies of grammar raised in the 総まとめ series. It also has a great few sections covering Keigo!
  • 新完全マスター – Shin Kanzen Master – this is a go-to for all JLPT takers. Similar to 総まとめ but with greater detail, and all in Japanese. You can use the 文法、読解 and 語彙 books to prepare yourself for the JLPT exam – questions, quizzes and teachings mimic the exam papers in an effort to get you familiar.
Complete Newbie
  • Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced are requirements. You may not need them now, but you will eventually. They have most (if not all) grammar patterns in them, with detailed English explanations and use cases. You need these if you’re serious about the language.
  • にほんごチャレンジ – Japanese Challenge – is a great place to start. This is an N4 level book that lists the first 110 or so grammar patterns that you’d need as a floor.
  • 短期集中初級日本語文法総まとめポイント20 - Short Term Focus: 20 Point Beginner Japanese Grammar Roundup) is a an excellent companion and an absolute minimum for understanding Japanese particles – when and how to use them. This also covers the basic grammar patterns you’ll need as a foundation.
I’ve linked to Amazon Japan as it’s typically the cheapest – you can use Google Chrome to navigate through checkout (translation tool) if you’re struggling.

This is just a selection of books I’ve used and rate highly. Of course, if there’s something you’re using that’s better or you think we should add – let us know, and I’ll slot it right in.


Reading and Exposure

Now if you’re taking the JLPT or you just want to be good at this language, I highly recommend reading everything. Obviously, your text books because they are going to teach you the basics. But do not rely solely on those or you will be in for some pain come exam time. You need to read EVERYTHING. News, editorials, opinion pieces, novels, poems and philosophical writings (yes, really), blogs, Twitter, games news, manga, games. In that order. Plus, your textbooks – those keep you in check and doing things systematically – yes, I said this twice. It’s all useful. You’ll learn something different from each of them. Often they’ll repeat the same words, sentences and styles (games especially), and you’ll burn them into your brain. And the variety keeps things fun and interesting too.

How can you do this?
  • NEWS, EDITORIALS, OPINION PIECES – YahooJapan and NHK are great sources for Japanese news. They’ll have articles that redirect to other news sites like 朝日新聞.
  • NOVELS – buy a Kindle and grab some books off AmazonJapan for it – the Kindle should have a built in dictionary which makes getting stuck a thing of the past. You can also buy the 単行本 for whatever novel you’re after there too. They typically ship worldwide, quickly.
  • POEMS – you think I know everything? I’m at a loss. You can help me though!
  • BLOGS – I don’t know all the blogs, but some gaming blogs like http://blog.esuteru.com/ and http://jin115.com/ are great places to start – you can read the comments too for a laugh.
  • TWITTER – find your favourite Japanese artist, actor or AV star and follow them everyday. Prepare to be bored, though.
  • GAMES NEWS – www.4gamer.net is pretty legit, as is https://www.famitsu.com/. Overall though, the blogs are typically better (less formal).
  • MANGA – read whatever you want! And remember, you can buy it from AmazonJapan as well.
  • GAMES – if you’re still playing games while trying to learn Japanese, do yourself a massive favour. Start playing everything in Japanese. It will be brutal at first but will pay off dividends – plus you won’t feel like a jerk for always gaming instead of studying.
I can’t stress enough how important it is to read a variety of things. The later JLPT exams (N2, N1) introduce some tricky reading comprehension sections that demand you to have a firm grasp on the language. You need to be ready for anything, so to be ready for anything – read everything.

As for reading strategies, it’s honestly up to you. When I read, if I see a word or grammar pattern I don’t understand/have forgotten, I write it into a textbook, and then re-read it before I go to bed. You could probably stand to do the same, using all of the tools listed in the Learning and Reading Japanese section. It’s ultimately going to come down to exposure and repeition.

Kanji

There are a few ways to do it.
  • Wanikani/Anki – pretty popular these days, but I know nothing about it – so feel free to fill this section if you’re so inclined.
  • Exposure – reading everyday, writing down new words – just getting used to seeing Kanji everywhere and understanding the 音読み and 訓読み readings. This is covered in the Reading and Exposure section.
  • Brute Force – the Whiteboard method. You write every 常用 Kanji onto a whiteboard every single day for 3-4 months, 8 hours a day, until it is ingrained in your fingers, hand, arm, shoulder, eyes and brain.
The Whiteboard Method
There is a crazy Kanji learning strategy called The Whiteboard Method. Some say it’s the real deal, others say it’s a major troll. Nobody really knows, because the dude who wrote it was a serious enigma. Regardless, it has it’s benefits:
  • Your handwriting becomes fantastic
  • You remember a lot of Kanji
  • You become disciplined
There are clear downsides too:
  • You lose your life
  • If you don’t read at the same time, you forget everything
  • Your hands will get sore
The original post has been reposted here. If you’ve read that and still want to try it, keep a few things in mind. You need to be reading regularly for this to really payoff. This is a block building method only; it won’t teach you the language. Rather, it will give you the tools needed to break down a major learning wall. http://kanjicards.org/ is the site I used to list all Kanji in their 常用 order, and it also gives you the stroke order (critical).
 
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Production – Speaking and Listening

Unless you have access to a native Japanese speaker or a qualified private tutor, this is arguably the toughest. If you don’t have either of those, try to find them. Obviously you’re going to be practicing and listening to the real thing here, so it is invaluable.

If you can’t, the next best thing is authentic emulation. Sure, practicing with your other friends who are learning is great, but understand it can lead to picking up bad habits while reinforcing mistakes (if nobody is correcting you properly).

Japanese Dramas are an excellent way to listen to native speakers, observe conversations and conversation styles, and grasp an understanding of the flow of conversation. If you watch them with sub-titles you can improve your reading, comprehension and vocab all in one. Where do you get them? Well – the most popular hosting site for Jdrama raws recently shut down, so you need to find them yourself unfortunately >< but a lot of subs are still stored here http://jpsubbers.web44.net/Japanese-Subtitles/@Mains/ and should load into any raws you find (using VLC).

Pick a Japanese drama based on a description that you think you’ll like (they typically run for 10 episodes). Watch an episode, and every time you hear something you don’t understand – pause, write it down, and then say it out loud. Re-watch it until you get the speech exactly right. Then continue watching the episode, and if you get stuck again, pause and write it down. Do this every single time you don’t understand something. Does this sound crazy? Yes. A 50-minute episode may take you 8 hours to watch (it did for me when I started). That might sound rough, but it’s better than doing absolutely nothing. And it’s better than emulating without any direction (with your friends). It’s also better than learning through anime (would you practice speaking with adults using American children’s cartoons?)

Eventually, as with anything, you get better at it over time. And that will make you feel good! So, keep doing it. Every day. Set aside at least 2 hours a day for this type of study and you’ll find your listening and speaking improve dramatically within a month, I assure you. Japanese Dramas are also fucking awesome. They typically run for 10 episodes, 50 minutes a piece. They can be serious or funny, emotional, irrational. They’re almost always camp, but that is what makes them so good.

If you’re keen to try this approach, then have a read of this post – it dives into things with much greater detail.

A word on accent

Being able to understand what you hear and to produce coherent strings of words is obviously crucial. The previous section is all about that. But being able to sound good and natural is important too, especially if you want people to take you more seriously and not like "another one of those cute gaijin folks". So, as with any language, Japanese has its own rules and idiosyncracies when it comes to accent, pronunciation, rhythm and prosody that you'll have to work on if you want to speak Japanese and sound good while doing it. Pronunciation is commonly studied no matter what method you use, but there is more to having a good Japanese accent than pronunciation.

Enter pitch accent. Pitch accent is a type of accent that you won't find in many languages. It's unlike stress accent (found in English or German) and tones (found in Chinese) in that it simply dictates how high or low a syllable should sound relative to the rest of the word/sentence. Japanese teachers usually aren't equipped with the tools required to teach it properly, and even when they do, they'll usually struggle to teach it well, or will brush it off by telling you to "speak in a flat manner". Which is not very useful advice, especially if your native language is English. If you have Japanese friends or a Japanese partner, chances are they won't be able to help you because they don't even know what pitch accent is; they've all learned it growing up on a subconscious level, without ever actually studying it. In other words, if you want to have a good accent in Japanese, you'll have to know where to look to find resources.

Fortunately, there is one guy out there who's made it his mission to make learners of Japanese aware of pitch accent, and to teach them how to recognize it and reproduce it. He's an American YouTuber known as Dogen who primarily makes short comedic videos in Japanese. As of this post, he's just wrapped up his first series of pitch accent lessons with over 30 video lessons, including how to accent words based on the number of syllables, their grammatical nature, how to apply pitch accent naturally over whole sentences, and what resources to use to look up pitch accents. He's now about to make a series on pronunciation. Unfortunately, while his comedic content is all free, his lessons are behind a monthly $10 paywall on Patreon, save for lessons 1, 2, 3 and 7. However, as a Patreon supporter myself (Kilrogg), and having talked with him on multiple occasions, I can vouch for the quality of his content. Besides, you can essentially spend $10 to get a one-month subscription, and that'll give you instant access to all 30+ pitch accent lessons. In my opinion, it's absolutely worth it. For a taste of his pitch accent lessons, check out this:


Other free lessons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SiBj75Dd0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_s6QqmJd7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRSXbqjC2Yg

I especially recommend the last video if you already know about pitch accent and just want to know where you can look up specific pitch accents. Some good places to start are:
- the NHK Accent dictionary, found in many portable electronic dictionaries
- the integrated Japanese dictionary found in MacOS (see Dogen's video for more info)
- the Firefox plugin Rikai-sama used in tandem with Rikai-chan. Sadly, Rikai-sama hasn't been ported to the new Firefox plugin engine yet, and might not ever be, so you'll have to use FireFox 56 or older to use it.

As for how to study pitch accent in context, Dogen goes over that as well, but a good rule of thumb is to watch movies and drama episodes on repeat - NOT anime if you can help it - actively listening for pitch accent, and to record yourself.

Conclusion
That’s it for the OP so far. But remember, this OP and thread are meant to be dynamic. If you want to add something; post it here, and tell us! Japanese is such a massive language, there are so many ways to approach it and none are inherently wrong. Provided you combine them with a broad range of study styles and an open mind, you will achieve your goals. 頑張れ!
 
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Cat

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I never made a post, but this community has helped me a lot throughout my first year of learning. I just wanted to say thanks!

... and I have an oral midterm next week that I don't feel even remotely prepared for.
 

Tuck

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I've had to take a break from my learning for a few months as I'm back in school but I can't wait to pick it back up in February. Its such a fun (pain in the ass) language.
 

Kilrogg

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You can do it! Just work on it from now until next week. What's the exam about?

[EDIT] Do quotes even work yet?
 

RecRoulette

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I took a couple of semesters of Japanese in college (through Genki 1 pretty much) but let all of that get rusty, hoping to be able to get back into it.
 

Rutger

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I'm glad to see this is here. I've been slacking for several months and need to change that.

I'll have to stick around more this time.
 

Megabyte

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Nice, the OT is already back! Hoping to tackle N1 by next year. Always appreciated the resources and advice posted
 

Desmond

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Ready to have my ass handed to me by the N1 again in a month or so. Have only really looked at the kanji and grammar.
 

gashikunFLCL

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I'll be here every now and then, studying for N2 at the end of the year, but I care more about learning the language.
 

Mairu

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Happy to see this thread up here. I haven’t touched my Japanese study in awhile but I’m hoping to get back to it soon.
 

DasFool

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Words, my kanji is probably around ~250, somewhere around there.

No doubt. You've got 6 months! How do you feel about your grammar skills? That's probably more important + listening.
Thank you for the encouragement. My listening is fine if the speaker is not too fast (I can usually get the gist of the message even if some stuff is missed), but my written grammar is absolutely awful. It seems to always get corrected.

Also...6 months from now? I thought the JLPT test happened in December here in America? Not sure.
 

Desmond

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Words, my kanji is probably around ~250, somewhere around there.



Thank you for the encouragement. My listening is fine if the speaker is not too fast (I can usually get the gist of the message even if some stuff is missed), but my written grammar is absolutely awful. It seems to always get corrected.

Also...6 months from now? I thought the JLPT test happened in December here in America? Not sure.
Japan and some countries also have a July test.
 

Crescens

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Oh cool, I didn't realize this existed before. I'm not so much "learning" as struggling through Angel Beats 1st Beat one screen every 10 minutes lol. I can use all the help I can get!
 

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Hoping this thread will be a good resource like it's previous incarnation. Really interested in learning this language. Extreme beginner level right here lol, barely learning hiragana. Do you guys have any thoughts on Tae Kim's guide of Japanese?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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new jersey
こんちは!! 日本語を勉強しましょう! みんなさんがんばって!!

I remember old GAF Japanese OT, glad to see it back.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Japan
Hoping this thread will be a good resource like it's previous incarnation. Really interested in learning this language. Extreme beginner level right here lol, barely learning hiragana. Do you guys have any thoughts on Tae Kim's guide of Japanese?
It's a good start, though it's not perfect. It's briskly paced, which is both a pro and a con. The biggest problem is that there are not nearly enough practice exercises in it, so you'll have to work out ways to use the stuff that you're learning, whereas a textbook will tend to have all sorts of exercises and assignments to do.
 

mute

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Oct 25, 2017
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Didn't post much in the last 日本語 thread but going through and finding all my old subs. 2017 hasn't been good to my studies, but I did manage DQ11 and I've picked up some old DB and Sailor Moon manga I found at a local used book store.
 

lordxar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Glad I saw this! I've actually been considering learning this because of some of the films I watch so subbing is a no brainer...now actually following through though...
 

LunaSerena

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Oct 25, 2017
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Subbed! I’ve wanted to learn Japanese for a long time.

I’m an at absolute beginner level, like I’m looking at getting some beginner classes. Do you have any good recommendations on books or videos to get going?
 

RpgN

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Netherlands
I don't remember posting in the thread before but I have been studying Japanese for a long time. It has not been my main focus though. I'll try and rectify that by joining this lovely thread :D

日本語に話すのはいい練習と思います。何か違ったら言ってくださいね。

I always taught myself but hardly practiced with others before.
 

RangerBAD

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Oct 25, 2017
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Didn't post much in the last 日本語 thread but going through and finding all my old subs. 2017 hasn't been good to my studies, but I did manage DQ11 and I've picked up some old DB and Sailor Moon manga I found at a local used book store.
Just got the Platinum for DQ11. It wasn't too hard to play at my reading level.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I thought I made a big mistake. I signed up for a Japanese course at my local community college. The class is using Japanese for Busy People......Romanized Version. Everyone has told me to stay away from Romanized Japanese. It also felt like a step backwards after learning Hiragana, using duolingo, Memrise, and Genki books. But what I've started doing is writing in the textbook and workbook in Hiragana and katakana. My Sensei saw this and asked if I knew Hiragana and I said no, just trying to learn more/learn it. She has been actively helping me with it and writing things on the board in hiragana too.

It has been an up hill battle trying to learn and I felt like I wasn't making any progress, then I put Yakuza Kiwami in, started playing, I was able to read signs (not necessarily pronounce them accurately), and I was also able to understand some of the audio spoken. Kind of blew my mind and felt good that I was making progress.

Anyways, before this post gets too long, just wanted to thank everyone that answered my dumb/noob questions over on gaf and hopefully you wont mind more of my questions :D
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Japan
I just found out about this manga translation contest the other day. I remember there was a little bit of interest when I posted about LocJAM Japan last winter so I figured I'd share it with you guys.

Entries are due by November 12th, and selections are 24 – 48 pages, so it's definitely doable if you've got a day you can devote to it in the next week or two. There are three different selections to choose from. Seems that you're free to submit entries for all three, but can only win once.

They've all got furigana, so looking up unknown words shouldn't slow you down too much if your vocabulary isn't that wide. I haven't actually read through the selections yet so I can't say how tough it is, but I'm sure there are a few people who could take a decent crack at it.