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Kilrogg

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The idea of reading something like Berserk casually, on the train, is quite funny to me.
By casually, I don't mean "no big deal" , just "I can't be bothered to look up words" :p. Although, whenever I come upon a sex scene I have to hold the book half-closed out of shame haha.
 

sackboy97

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By casually, I don't mean "no big deal" , just "I can't be bothered to look up words" :p. Although, whenever I come upon a sex scene I have to hold the book half-closed out of shame haha.
Yeah, it's not the kind of manga I would read when there are people around. Though I don't read much when someone's around in general.
 

iCham

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I'm having much more ease reading and recognizing kanji than remembering them then writing them, am I weird or is that pretty common ?
 

Kansoku

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I'm having much more ease reading and recognizing kanji than remembering them then writing them, am I weird or is that pretty common ?
Common enough to have a series of books called "Remembering the Kanji" =P
There's a reason Heising recommends practicing trough "keyword -> mnemonic -> Kanji". Not ideal for vocabulary acquisition and learning the language in general, but pretty good for remembering how to writing them ;)
 

品川駅

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Hey,

At work I have around 8 hours daily to listen to anything using my headphones.

What would be the best for me to listen to learn new Japanese phrases and grammar? I have a lot of time daily.

Or what would be the best in general for me to improve my Japanese? Or expand my vocabulary etc
 

Matto

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hey,

At work I have around 8 hours daily to listen to anything using my headphones.

What would be the best for me to listen to learn new Japanese phrases and grammar? I have a lot of time daily.

Or what would be the best in general for me to improve my Japanese? Or expand my vocabulary etc
I recently stumbled across IGN Japan’s podcast しゃべりすぎGAMER. It’s a completely Japanese podcast that discusses a gaming topic each week for about an hour or so. It’s really good for listening practice.
 

febLey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey,

At work I have around 8 hours daily to listen to anything using my headphones.

What would be the best for me to listen to learn new Japanese phrases and grammar? I have a lot of time daily.

Or what would be the best in general for me to improve my Japanese? Or expand my vocabulary etc
I recently stumbled across IGN Japan’s podcast しゃべりすぎGAMER. It’s a completely Japanese podcast that discusses a gaming topic each week for about an hour or so. It’s really good for listening practice.
I'm listening to this aswell, I don't understand very much, but I think it helps to get a feeling for the language.
 

Eien1no1Yami

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Oct 30, 2017
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Hey guys, it's been some time since I posted here.
Currently studying for N2.
So recently I started a project where I tried to translate the demo of a japanese game.
By doing this I learnt a japanese idiom which I found pretty cool
Maybe most of you will already know it but I wanted to share this here too.

So the sentence was:

あら、珍しい。あなたが私の部屋に来るなて。
雨でも降るんじゃないのかしら?
Now, I'm no native english speaker so I wasn't sure what was the equivalent in english but I ultimately used the
"hell has frozen over" idiom.
I've seen others use the "when pigs fly" but I'm not sure what's best.

Cheers..
 

Birdseye

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Oct 27, 2017
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I took JLPT N3 knowing that I was not ready (I own 4-5 N3 books and I'd been through 75% of the first one).

Vocabulary and kanji were so easy I thought they gave us an N4 test. Grammar was fair enough, not too hard not too easy, but reading killed me. That's when my lack of vocabulary proved a big handicap. I didn't have enough time so I answered randomly at the end.

Listening was quite hard too, and the recording was defective so they had to replay several tracks over and over again. I couldn't wait to be done with this test but we had to stay longer because of that.

Anyway, no time to waste, I'm already back to my N3 books in anticipation for next year's test.
 

Kikirin

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hi, all! Not sure if this is a good place to ask since it's barely related to the language learning aspect, but do you all have any recommendations for EN->JP travel/survival phrases books or (Android) apps? I have some friends who are planning on traveling there next year despite a total lack of language knowledge.
 

febLey

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Is there any way to distinguish a ru-verb and an u-verb with a ru ending?
This is driving me crazy.
I found out that there seems to be some rule, but of course it has its exceptions:
All ru-verbs (ichidan) are ending with either an eru or iru sound.
Keep in mind that there are u-verbs (godan) which have eru and iru ending sound.
But at least it narrows down the options. So if a verb isn't ending with an eru or iru sound, you can be sure that it isn't a ichidan verb.

Further here's an interesting video on that topic:

 

splash wave

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Oct 25, 2017
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Can anyone recommend listening comprehension podcasts/YouTube videos for a very limited japanese speaker? I’m working my way through Genki 1, and I’m finding that i want more speech to listen to than the book/workbook offers.
 
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Anyone took the JLPT on the 1st? I'm planning on taking the N2 in July of next year.

I can confidently say my level is around N3 but I wanna take a more difficult test.
 

Birdseye

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I want to improve my vocabulary. Do I have to use Anki? Anki feels tedious, especially without example sentences (I did it while studying Tobira and wish I had just read the actual book sooner instead of studying the vocab deck).

Meanwhile, I have the Shin Kanzen Master JLPT N3 vocab book with example sentences so I'm planning on using that, unless you know of a better solution.
 

Jintor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Use anki, but make your own cards from stuff you're actually interested in. Add as much or as little context as you need. That's where the software really takes off.

Grinding vocab lists is boring as fuck (though you need to do it to some extent for tests). It's in actually trying to read interesting things where you'll get the most bang for your buck imho. (Well, time, which is probably more valuable in the long run)
 

Kilrogg

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Birdseye : You don't have to use Anki. It makes the process more efficient once you've set it up properly, but the most important part is and will always be immersion.
If you weren't already up to N3 I'd still suggest using it to get you up and running on N5/N4 vocab and grammar in a way that's much faster and less tedious than just drilling those textbooks over and over, but I'm honestly tempted to tell you to just drop the JLPT textbooks, watch/read whatever you want and look up the words that stick out to you in your favourite dictionary* as you go along. It's much more organic that way.

* Obviously, I'm talking bilingual dictionaries for now. Once you're a bit more comfortable with the language, try transitioning to monolingual dictionaries.
 

Birdseye

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Use anki, but make your own cards from stuff you're actually interested in. Add as much or as little context as you need. That's where the software really takes off.

Grinding vocab lists is boring as fuck (though you need to do it to some extent for tests). It's in actually trying to read interesting things where you'll get the most bang for your buck imho. (Well, time, which is probably more valuable in the long run)
Birdseye : You don't have to use Anki. It makes the process more efficient once you've set it up properly, but the most important part is and will always be immersion.
If you weren't already up to N3 I'd still suggest using it to get you up and running on N5/N4 vocab and grammar in a way that's much faster and less tedious than just drilling those textbooks over and over, but I'm honestly tempted to tell you to just drop the JLPT textbooks, watch/read whatever you want and look up the words that stick out to you in your favourite dictionary* as you go along. It's much more organic that way.

* Obviously, I'm talking bilingual dictionaries for now. Once you're a bit more comfortable with the language, try transitioning to monolingual dictionaries.
Thanks a lot!
 
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I want to improve my vocabulary. Do I have to use Anki? Anki feels tedious, especially without example sentences (I did it while studying Tobira and wish I had just read the actual book sooner instead of studying the vocab deck).

Meanwhile, I have the Shin Kanzen Master JLPT N3 vocab book with example sentences so I'm planning on using that, unless you know of a better solution.
Here's how I use Anki with the custom deck I have: Have the Jisho app installed on my android phone. Whenever a word comes up I don't know I simply type the word into jisho and send it to anki from tapping and holding the word. Next while I'm studying, I quickly search the new words on japandict.com for any example sentences. If there aren't any you could try yourei.jp, but the out of context sentences are sometimes a bit difficult to grasp. Overall while it is a bit tedious to add sentences this way I think it works for me.
 

febLey

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I want to improve my vocabulary. Do I have to use Anki? Anki feels tedious, especially without example sentences (I did it while studying Tobira and wish I had just read the actual book sooner instead of studying the vocab deck).

Meanwhile, I have the Shin Kanzen Master JLPT N3 vocab book with example sentences so I'm planning on using that, unless you know of a better solution.
Cure Dolly posted an interesting video with some really good advice on this topic:

(remember to turn on subtitles)

 

iCham

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Common enough to have a series of books called "Remembering the Kanji" =P
There's a reason Heising recommends practicing trough "keyword -> mnemonic -> Kanji". Not ideal for vocabulary acquisition and learning the language in general, but pretty good for remembering how to writing them ;)
Yeah I saw that, but frankly I'd rather have my own mnemonics for this ha ha

Also, I have a question : is my sentence correct ?

私は医者です。私の専門は開業医です。
I want to say
I am a doctor, my specialty is general practice.

Thanks !
 

Kilrogg

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Also, I have a question : is my sentence correct ?

私は医者です。私の専門は開業医です。
I want to say
I am a doctor, my specialty is general practice.

Thanks !
I think 開業医 is the correct word, but I'll let someone more knowledgeable than me confirm or deny.
The structure is fine. You might want to get rid of that second 私の though. Not that it's wrong, but it's unnecessary. The general rule of thumb in Japanese is: "if you've already said who you're talking about, don't repeat the subject unless it's not obvious anymore or the subject actually changed." In this case, we know you're talking about yourself because you just told us.
Repeating the subject too much is a surefire way to out yourself as a foreigner :p. Or it can be a stylistic choice in some cases I guess, but generally speaking, avoid repeating it.
 

splash wave

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Another simple question for you folks. Why does the word order change in questions two and three? The second sentence has it location/duration/verb and the third has it frequency/duration/location/verb. I’m wondering why they swap location and duration in each example. See below:

 

Kurita

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Oct 26, 2017
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Another simple question for you folks. Why does the word order change in questions two and three? The second sentence has it location/duration/verb and the third has it frequency/duration/location/verb. I’m wondering why they swap location and duration in each example. See below:

Instinctively I’d say that since frequency comes first in a lot of cases, following immediately with the duration just seems more logical (since both are related to time).
I assume there’s a way better explanation for this though.

Tbh there’s plenty of instances where the word order doesn’t actually matter.
 
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Another simple question for you folks. Why does the word order change in questions two and three? The second sentence has it location/duration/verb and the third has it frequency/duration/location/verb. I’m wondering why they swap location and duration in each example. See below:

Clause order is extremely flexible in Japanese but you generally put the "most important" information closest to the verb. In this case you can understand that [studying Japanese at the library] is an activity, perhaps separate from [studying Japanese at home] or whatever and so it should be directly attached to the verb, while [at the department store] is just supplemental information and doesn't need to be attached to the verb.
 

gachapin

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日本から参加しているメンバーのためにmodになることに興味ないかってメッセージがきた。誰かからの推薦があったみたいなんだけどAizo?
とりあえず自分よりはZefahのが適任だってZefahを推しておいたんだけどZefahってアカウント自体が完全に抹消されちゃってるのね・・・

Another simple question for you folks. Why does the word order change in questions two and three? The second sentence has it location/duration/verb and the third has it frequency/duration/location/verb. I’m wondering why they swap location and duration in each example. See below:

There isn't a correct order. You can change them freely as you want.
 

Hypron

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Oct 27, 2017
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Anyone took the JLPT on the 1st? I'm planning on taking the N2 in July of next year.

I can confidently say my level is around N3 but I wanna take a more difficult test.
I passed N3 ages ago and I think I'll try to skip N2 and do N1 at the end of 2020. If I finish my degree as expected I'll have 6 months of full time Japanese study before the test. If I spend 8 hours a day immersing and studying I think it's doable.

Otherwise, I recently came back from Japan. The trip wasn't that great because of my injury, but I was happy with how much I understood. My speaking skills were rubbish as expected, but I had no problem doing anything I needed to do, including reading ingredient lists on packages when buying food, finding where to go without using any English, etc. I'll probably go back at the end of next year and hopefully I won't injured myself again.
 
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Jintor

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i'm going snowboarding in hokkaido in jan for a tick but from what i hear the snowslopes are absolutely infested by aussies
 

Kurita

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Is this sentence corect:

食べ物に食堂がとても高いです。

The food at the cafeteria is very expensive.
As Jintor said, the particles are in the wrong order, but you’re also translating "at the" too literally.
食堂の食べ物はとても高いです。would be a better way to say this.
 

febLey

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