https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/leaving-neverlandWill both parts be available tonight on streaming or are they splitting it across two days as well?
It says there that both parts will be available to stream today
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/leaving-neverlandWill both parts be available tonight on streaming or are they splitting it across two days as well?
It wasn't in headlines on the internet that a grown ass man said he loved to sleep with young boys. It was said on video. From Michael himself. Who else could say that and you'd just brush it off as no big deal?
This documentary takes a biased stance and presents no new evidence.But didn't they make a new case? Why otherwise this documentary? And why didn't they make a new case? I thought they sued for 1.6 billion $. Or am I wrong?
Courts don't prove anything.But.... that's not what you originally said. You said we should believe the children who are accusing him and I stated they have been proven in a court of law to be wrong. Now you are stating that because MJ said he shared a bed with children it proves he was guilty. This statement was in the context of Gavin Arvizo, which is the same fucking case that went to trial and he was proven innocent for. So what the hell are you talking about?
This documentary takes a biased stance and presents no new evidence.
I'm pretty sure there's been at least two attempts by them with it being thrown out.But didn't they make a new case? Why otherwise this documentary? And why didn't they make a new case? I thought they sued for 1.6 billion $. Or am I wrong?
No problem. And your apologies are certainly accepted. I knew pretty fast that you were genuine.Nah, you made a fair point there and I legitimately feel bad for flinging that one at you and shouldn't have done so. I'm in no position to criticize people for their ability within a second language, much less one in which I've been well taught in for half my life. I apologise. Your English is good and I likely read more into what you were saying than intended.
Truth be told I'm just wearing down the remaining... 5 minutes at 02:55 until I hit 30. Probably not the best time to be trying to debate, nor the time to take my frustrations at other posters out on you. Since we're close to both me being an old twat (and thus asleep) and the documentary going live I'll pause from responding further.
I do like your points surrounding the documentary itself and your preference in how such a case should be made and submitted. Thank you for sharing and explaining that.
Ok thanks for the information.Expect to see some "there it is, without a doubt!" Posts after this finishes from the posters who want so badly for Michael Jackson to have sexually abused children.
I'm pretty sure there's been at least two attempts by them with it being thrown out.
And yet in the same psot you say the following.
Didn't want to jump into this mess, but this statement makes anything you have said or will say in this thread invalid.
That first conclusion doesn't seem as clear cut looking at the conversations in this thread, that's probably why the conversation is still going.Michael abused children. And his actions were straight up unacceptable and disgusting. He's a horrible human being who, if he did have legitimate issues, should have seeked help before doing the things we know he did with young boys.
The "shift in conversation" is occurring because some people can't even seem to accept the above as truth. Which honestly, should be the base before we start to dig into the accusations. What about you?
So courts proved R Kelly did nothing wrong? They proved OJ is innocent? Do you comprehend what courts actually do?Didn't want to jump into this mess, but this statement makes anything you have said or will say in this thread invalid.
No, the thing you and other defenders keep willfully ignoring is proof enough for me - a man who admits to sleeping with boys. Parents who admit to being bought. And men who admit to being molested by that very same man who gave gifts to parents in exchange for access to their boys, who I'll remind you admitted on film enjoyed sleeping with them. But go ahead and keep ignoring the obvious.And yet in the same psot you say the following.
But a biased for profit documentary is somehow proof for you.
I'm actually surprised that people on this forum don't think an adult having innapropriate relationships with children is abuse. Like, it's clear cutThat first conclusion doesn't seem as clear cut looking at the conversations in this thread, that's probably why the conversation is still going.
All of what you said is either exaggerated by poor journalism or incorrect as others have pointed out in this thread. Your argument in itself is invalid by what you previously stated.No, the thing you and other defenders keep willfully ignoring is proof enough for me - a man who admits to sleeping with boys. Parents who admit to being bought. And men who admit to being molested by that very same man who gave gifts to parents in exchange for access to their boys, who I'll remind you admitted on film enjoyed sleeping with them. But go ahead and keep ignoring the obvious.
Yikes.
I said it's convenient that people suddenly find law enforcement to be infallible in this isolated incident. Nice spin though.I believe Reaper was also the guy who came in here claiming law enforcement can't be trusted at all. Seems a bit hyperbolic.
Yeah this is hard to watch.Watching this now. Fuck its unsettling. Also, the parents are complicit in this too. Negligence abounds.
All I ever, ever, ever need to hear was from Jackson's own mouth. He slept with children in the same goddamn bed. He said this. On television. Every one of his defenders brushes this away and yet never would for any other grown man.
"Do you think it's okay to share your bed with children?"
Michael Jackson:
" OF COURSE"
FUCK YOU.
"Having seen the devastating and undeniably persuasive film, I can't say with 100 percent certainty Jackson molested the alleged victims — but at the very least, the VERY least, we're reminded of how bizarre it was for this man to have cultivated such close relationships with a number of boys, even as his legions of fans and his supporters rationalized it by saying Jackson was just like Peter Pan and he had the soul of a child and he was an innocent who didn't want to grow up.
What a load of … nonsense. "
This is how I feel towards the constant, constant refrain on this forum. I wonder why more pedophiles don't use this reasoning. Why don't they have this miraculous soul of a child that only a talent like Jackson was blessed with, and beautiful grooming amusement park, yet every other grown man who who wants to sleep in beds with children is a sick fucking bastard.
Jesus Christ the parents. How could they be so blind? Jimmy's mom even admits something felt off but kept allowing it to happen because of all the nice things Michael was paying for. Complicit.
What you think "share" means? Does it means that when my mom said share, your He-man toy with my brother. She meant, that he gets a arm and a leg and I get arm and a leg. Or did she mean, my brother gets to play with the toy alone.
My mom shared her bed with her parents, she didn't sleep in the bed with them, but it is still sharing.