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Dr. Feel Good

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Oct 25, 2017
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It wasn't in headlines on the internet that a grown ass man said he loved to sleep with young boys. It was said on video. From Michael himself. Who else could say that and you'd just brush it off as no big deal?

But.... that's not what you originally said. You said we should believe the children who are accusing him and I stated they have been proven in a court of law to be wrong. Now you are stating that because MJ said he shared a bed with children it proves he was guilty. This statement was in the context of Gavin Arvizo, which is the same fucking case that went to trial and he was proven innocent for. So what the hell are you talking about?
 
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But.... that's not what you originally said. You said we should believe the children who are accusing him and I stated they have been proven in a court of law to be wrong. Now you are stating that because MJ said he shared a bed with children it proves he was guilty. This statement was in the context of Gavin Arvizo, which is the same fucking case that went to trial and he was proven innocent for. So what the hell are you talking about?
Courts don't prove anything.

This documentary takes a biased stance and presents no new evidence.

Says someone who has watched none of it.
 

PHOENIXZERO

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Expect to see some "there it is, without a doubt!" Posts after this finishes from the posters who want so badly for Michael Jackson to have sexually abused children.

But didn't they make a new case? Why otherwise this documentary? And why didn't they make a new case? I thought they sued for 1.6 billion $. Or am I wrong?
I'm pretty sure there's been at least two attempts by them with it being thrown out.
 

Bliman

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Nah, you made a fair point there and I legitimately feel bad for flinging that one at you and shouldn't have done so. I'm in no position to criticize people for their ability within a second language, much less one in which I've been well taught in for half my life. I apologise. Your English is good and I likely read more into what you were saying than intended.

Truth be told I'm just wearing down the remaining... 5 minutes at 02:55 until I hit 30. Probably not the best time to be trying to debate, nor the time to take my frustrations at other posters out on you. Since we're close to both me being an old twat (and thus asleep) and the documentary going live I'll pause from responding further.

I do like your points surrounding the documentary itself and your preference in how such a case should be made and submitted. Thank you for sharing and explaining that.
No problem. And your apologies are certainly accepted. I knew pretty fast that you were genuine.
I also know that things can get heated. I am a victim of that to. I had to restrain myself or I would have wrote much worse things at you.
You come from a good place and that's very important to me.
So no hard feelings from an old twat to another (I hope I win, I am 41, lol).
And if I am sometimes not clear, don't be afraid to ask.
 

Bliman

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Expect to see some "there it is, without a doubt!" Posts after this finishes from the posters who want so badly for Michael Jackson to have sexually abused children.


I'm pretty sure there's been at least two attempts by them with it being thrown out.
Ok thanks for the information.
 

Uno Venova

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Michael abused children. And his actions were straight up unacceptable and disgusting. He's a horrible human being who, if he did have legitimate issues, should have seeked help before doing the things we know he did with young boys.

The "shift in conversation" is occurring because some people can't even seem to accept the above as truth. Which honestly, should be the base before we start to dig into the accusations. What about you?
That first conclusion doesn't seem as clear cut looking at the conversations in this thread, that's probably why the conversation is still going.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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And yet in the same psot you say the following.





But a biased for profit documentary is somehow proof for you.
No, the thing you and other defenders keep willfully ignoring is proof enough for me - a man who admits to sleeping with boys. Parents who admit to being bought. And men who admit to being molested by that very same man who gave gifts to parents in exchange for access to their boys, who I'll remind you admitted on film enjoyed sleeping with them. But go ahead and keep ignoring the obvious.
 

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That first conclusion doesn't seem as clear cut looking at the conversations in this thread, that's probably why the conversation is still going.
I'm actually surprised that people on this forum don't think an adult having innapropriate relationships with children is abuse. Like, it's clear cut
 
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Cranster

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No, the thing you and other defenders keep willfully ignoring is proof enough for me - a man who admits to sleeping with boys. Parents who admit to being bought. And men who admit to being molested by that very same man who gave gifts to parents in exchange for access to their boys, who I'll remind you admitted on film enjoyed sleeping with them. But go ahead and keep ignoring the obvious.
All of what you said is either exaggerated by poor journalism or incorrect as others have pointed out in this thread. Your argument in itself is invalid by what you previously stated.

Courts don't prove anything.
 

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Watching it now, this is going to be hard to get. through as I hate " one sided" criminal documentaries , they usually just serve to piss off the people on both sides of the accused. I'm talking docs on a controversial subject where the guilt/innocence isn't wholly clear before anyone jumps down my throat over " both sidesing" , etc. Gotten borderline hostile in here
 

PHOENIXZERO

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Brett Barnes, as mentioned above in threatening to sue HBO for this documentary suggesting that Jackson molested him.

Also.
 

mjc

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I believe Reaper was also the guy who came in here claiming law enforcement can't be trusted at all. Seems a bit hyperbolic.
 

Big One

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Watching it right now first red flag for me is how he gets involved with these children in the first place. If anyone did that shit in 2019 they would be penalized heavily for it instantly. Why in the fuck is he so compelled to make friends with children that are imitators of his craft? And I don't mean "friends" as in hey I met and hanged out with Micahel Jackson one time, but regular close friendship.
 

Solo

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Watching this now. Fuck its unsettling. Also, the parents are complicit in this too. Negligence abounds.
 

Big One

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He definitely groomed these kids into being his best friend at it's very best. That in of itself is disturbing and I don't want to hear any bullshit excuses saying, "Michael didn't have a childhood." so when does that lead into this kind of behavior, exactly?
 

CrumbSnatcher

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All I ever, ever, ever need to hear was from Jackson's own mouth. He slept with children in the same goddamn bed. He said this. On television. Every one of his defenders brushes this away and yet never would for any other grown man.

"Do you think it's okay to share your bed with children?"

Michael Jackson:

" OF COURSE"

FUCK YOU.


What you think "share" means? Does it means that when my mom said share, your He-man toy with my brother. She meant, that he gets a arm and a leg and I get arm and a leg. Or did she mean, my brother gets to play with the toy alone.

My mom shared her bed with her parents, she didn't sleep in the bed with them, but it is still sharing.
 

CarterTax

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Even if all of the sexual things in this docu are untrue, the way that he isolated these children from their parents is extremely disturbing and clearly was done for a very explicit reason.

The man was a pedo
 

Objektivity

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"Having seen the devastating and undeniably persuasive film, I can't say with 100 percent certainty Jackson molested the alleged victims — but at the very least, the VERY least, we're reminded of how bizarre it was for this man to have cultivated such close relationships with a number of boys, even as his legions of fans and his supporters rationalized it by saying Jackson was just like Peter Pan and he had the soul of a child and he was an innocent who didn't want to grow up.

What a load of … nonsense. "

This is how I feel towards the constant, constant refrain on this forum. I wonder why more pedophiles don't use this reasoning. Why don't they have this miraculous soul of a child that only a talent like Jackson was blessed with, and beautiful grooming amusement park, yet every other grown man who who wants to sleep in beds with children is a sick fucking bastard.

1st comment said it best. I agree 100%. I just have one question for the people claiming he was an innocent Peter Pan pure soul made of Jesus light. What was he doing with porn mags at Neverland?
 

Royalan

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OMG @ the parents continuing to let Wade sleep in the bed with Michael...
 

Bliman

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And is anyone seeing it in another light? I ask this from both sides?
And no I cannot see this atm (live in another country)
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Jesus Christ the parents. How could they be so blind? Jimmy's mom even admits something felt off but kept allowing it to happen because of all the nice things Michael was paying for. Complicit.
 

Royalan

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Jesus Christ the parents. How could they be so blind? Jimmy's mom even admits something felt off but kept allowing it to happen because of all the nice things Michael was paying for. Complicit.

This was a very similar theme in the R Kelly documentary. Parents who were almost willingly turning a blind eye.
 

MinusTydus

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So, I'm about 30 minutes behind. Where is the anger from these parents? Jimmy's mom is regaling about his time with Michael and is almost, dare I say giddy.

It's very odd. Jimmy describing these terrible acts, and then they cut to his mom who's just laughing it up. "Oh, that Michael. What a card!"

Wouldn't you be furious throughout the entire interview if what you're claiming happened to your kid actually happened?
 

lacer

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What you think "share" means? Does it means that when my mom said share, your He-man toy with my brother. She meant, that he gets a arm and a leg and I get arm and a leg. Or did she mean, my brother gets to play with the toy alone.

My mom shared her bed with her parents, she didn't sleep in the bed with them, but it is still sharing.

lmao come on dude
 
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