Anyone besides MJ and it would be curtains. Obvious to me that he did some or all of this and to more than these two.
Nope watching now
Is it on the HBO app? On live television it's not playing part 2
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/leaving-neverland-part-2
Seems like it's been 3 posters for about 10 straight pages tbh.People just lining up to defend this guy is beyond belief to me.
Based on my limited knowledge and earlier parts of this thread, I was leaning toward MJ not being a molester.
I'm finding it hard to not believe these guys. MJ was "child like", but with the hormones and sex drive of an adult man.
It's crazy to me that he got away with this. The 90's weren't that long ago. Imagine Drake traveling the world with a fleet of disposable Millie Bobby Browns. That shit wouldn't fly. Why in the hell was MJ allowed to skate on that?
Whether he actually did anything or not, Michael Jackson wasn't this innocent artist that was hounded by the media to slander his career. In reality, he was a media empire brand in of himself and had major influence in the music industry both financially and artistically. People with that much power can do anything.It's crazy to me that he got away with this. The 90's weren't that long ago. Imagine Drake traveling the world with a fleet of disposable Millie Bobby Browns. That shit wouldn't fly. Why in the hell was MJ allowed to skate on that?
I wonder what legal power they have here. Surely implying is legal, but...how MUCH can you imply through imagery and such before it crosses a line?So far it's been the opposite. Brett Barnes is threatening legal action against HBO for implying Jackson molested him.
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BRETT BARNES LEGAL NOTICE TO HBO:
We have also learned that the film mentions Mr. Barnes several times as having been friends with Mr. Jackson as a child and also includes footage of Mr. Jackson and Mr. Barnes together. The film for seconds displays a chyron stating that Mr. Barnes denies that Mr. Jackson did anything inappropriate. We are also informed that one of the men who claims to have been molested by Mr. Jackson, Wade Robson, states in the film that Mr. Barnes "replaced him" and the film then shows Mr. Barnes and Mr. Jackson on tour. No chyron is going to cure such a despicable allegation. By depicting Mr. Barnes as a child next to Mr. Jackson in a film devoted to allegations of sexual molestation against Mr. Jackson, the film leaves viewers with the false impression that Mr. Barnes was in fact molested by Mr. Jackson and that Mr. Barnes is simply in denial.
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The hurt you will cause to Mr. Barnes if you do not reverse course is magnified by the fact that Mr. Barnes and his family considered Mr. Jackson to be a dear family friend for almost twenty years and Mr. Barnes still considers him to have been one of the best friends he has ever had. That you would produce a film strongly implying that Mr. Barnes was sexually abused by one of his best friends is outrageous. That no one even attempted to contact Mr. Barnes to ask about such accusations is beyond the pale. Surely, if there were any interest in ascertaining the truth of the serious claims made about Mr. Barnes, Mr. Barnes would have been contacted. Put simply, Mr. Barnes wants nothing to do with the film, does not consent to the use of his image and likeness in the film, and wishes to be left alone.
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We're already getting plenty of it in this thread.Did we discuss how the official MJ twitter account made one of his concerts available tonight for a limited time? Gross deflection.
Lmfao
I'll wait until tomorrow. A lot to digest after part 1. Documentary definitely is attempting to make a strong emotional case. Need to let it all settle before diving into another round.For those wondering, HBO isn't airing part 2 until tomorrow but it's on the app.
The men's accounts of the sexual assault, the process leading up to it, what was said, how they were treated, how it progressed, all of it is almost identical.
Me too. I can't watch anymore of this right now. Feels like I need a shower. I still can't get over the dichotomy of Jimmys retelling of what happened with his mother's.I'll wait until tomorrow. A lot to digest after part 1. Documentary definitely is attempting to make a strong emotional case. Need to let it all settle before diving into another round.
In retrospect it is weird how people (including me) bought into that "naive, pure-hearted big kid" narrative like MJ wasn't a grown man who was living his life. Not saying that in a "he's definitely a pedo" way, but its not like he ran around legitimately believing he was still 10 years old or something. He had romances, made business deals, etc like an adult....and he made an adult decision to make a private place to have sleepovers with kids. Like, the idea of some middle-aged adult doing that is nutsWhether he actually did anything or not, Michael Jackson wasn't this innocent artist that was hounded by the media to slander his career. In reality, he was a media empire brand in of himself and had major influence in the music industry both financially and artistically. People with that much power can do anything.
This jimmy guy seems very composed for a person telling his story about sexual abuse.
BS
People don't always burst into tears when recounting these kinds of events.This jimmy guy seems very composed for a person telling his story about sexual abuse.
BS
He breaks down eventually however I do not see his compsure as an issue here.This jimmy guy seems very composed for a person telling his story about sexual abuse.
BS
Wow. What a bad post.This jimmy guy seems very composed for a person telling his story about sexual abuse.
BS
There is literally no moral defense for this along with the other points I've made in this thread but the defenders are still trying to argue saying, "Read the facts." as if I haven't already, lol.He used his fame and wealth to separate boys from their families in order to spend more time alone with them. That's enough right there.
I've literally been making this argument this entire thread but I'm being labelled as ignoring the facts or whatever BS.Can I just add one more thing about all this? Even if MJ did not sexually abuse those kids, what he did was still immensely fucked up and should not be at all normalised. Period.
Yes. It should be called out for what it is. Abuse. Abuse is not always sexual.Can I just add one more thing about all this? Even if MJ did not sexually abuse those kids, what he did was still immensely fucked up and should not be at all normalised. Period.
This jimmy guy seems very composed for a person telling his story about sexual abuse.
BS
Nah, this kills MJs legacy. Sexual abuse of children will be the main thing he is remembered for as time passes.Anyone besides MJ and it would be curtains. Obvious to me that he did some or all of this and to more than these two.
You do realize you are calling abuse victims liars right? You know this and understand what you are doing?These guys are lying through their teeth.
I honestly do not believe any of it.
These guys are lying through their teeth.
I honestly do not believe any of it.
He doesn't care. He is more focused on calling these two liars while ignoring the fact Michael Jackson groomed children.You do realize you are calling abuse victims liars right? You know this and understand what you are doing?