I'm watching the same documentary and I don't see that part. Yeah, the implication is there, but it was there even back then.
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Leaving Neverland, HBO documentary on Michael Jackson's alleged child sexual assaults, review thread: Currently 94% on Rotten Tomatoes
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I'm watching the same documentary and I don't see that part. Yeah, the implication is there, but it was there even back then.
It is disgusting and offensive to watch this member attack sexual assault victims. I honestly never thought anyone on Era would say such horrible things.
I am watching this documentary like everyone else and I believe it is all made up non-sense.
I am entitled to my opinion and you are welcome to disagree.
Will not be offended.
I can share my opinion on this forum.
Some members think everyone has to see things from the same perspective as them.
Exactly, and I let myself believe for many years that because no one could prove he crossed a legal line that his behavior was merely eccentric.
It's 2019 dude. Calling assault victims liars is completely and utterly unacceptable.
Think less 'everyone has to share the same opinion', more 'don't be an ass'.
I believe Wade. I absolutely believe him.
In his story I hear the most convincing account of a man abused as a child, knew it was abuse, but came to count on that abuse as validation from the man he grew up admiring. You never hear men tell the story like this.
In his story I hear the most convincing account of a man abused as a child, knew it was abuse, but came to count on that abuse as validation from the man he grew up admiring. You never hear men tell the story like this.
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Well yeah, they're not outright saying it. But they're strongly suggesting it.
Your not entitled to an "opinion" when you only watch 20 minutes of it lol
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Same place you have been.
Out of curiosity do you assume all accusations are 100% true.
Simply because they just are.
I will continue to watch show but I am just sharing my view.
Un yes? It is almost unheard of to report false sexual assault charges. This has been proven statically over and over and over again.
If someone says they were sexually assaulted you don't mock them and call them a liar like you are doing.
Had to do it, somebody had to. I hope this doesn't make sharing a bad thing.
My wife was abused by someone she looked up to and she relates completely to Wade moreso than to Jimmy. She couldn't stop crying. I found Jimmy's story to be frightening.
Jesus H, have you been living under a rock for the last year?
Says online that part two is tomorrow night. I'm on cable but will try HbO Go after this to see if its on there.
My cable box only shows 2 hours of part 1 and that's it
My cable box only shows 2 hours of part 1 and that's it
Let's have some perspective. It's not a question of assuming or believing that all sexual abuse accusations are true or not. It's a question of taking each and every one of them seriously. A basic right that sadly, many sexual abuse victims have been denied in the past. Let's treat every accusation with all the seriousness and respect that is warranted. Just this simple, basic act would help tremendously for necessary due process (which is another thing many sexual abuse victims have been denied in the past).
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This feels like a straw man.
No, no one in their right mind thinks when MJ said he shared his bed with children did he "alternate" time in the bed with them. That's ridiculous. And no, sharing in itself isn't a bad thing. Equating the two is stupid.
Is it safe to say Michael Jackson was a pedophile in this thread yet? Will I regret unignoring this thread where victim blaming and pedophile defense runs rampant?
Well, Part 1 was the most skin-crawling experience I have had in a long time. Even after like two disclaimers about how sexually graphic the film was going to be, I still did not expect it to be as gross and explicit as it was.
I guess Jackson's childish, meek, deer-in-headlights demeanor really threw parents for a loop. I could see why someone might not even think of him as a sexual person, or someone capable of predatory behavior. He's not the mustache-and-sunglasses creepy molester type that is often played up in the media.
Even if the abuse allegations were untrue, the way he treated the kids and their families was absolutely fucked up. Asking to "borrow" someone's 7-year-old for a year? Dangling the prospect of mentoring, training, and financial support over them, then just moving on to a new kid when you get bored of the old one? Sowing distrust among the "Friend Families", so that they won't ever talk or compare notes or figure out what was going on?
I guess Jackson's childish, meek, deer-in-headlights demeanor really threw parents for a loop. I could see why someone might not even think of him as a sexual person, or someone capable of predatory behavior. He's not the mustache-and-sunglasses creepy molester type that is often played up in the media.
Even if the abuse allegations were untrue, the way he treated the kids and their families was absolutely fucked up. Asking to "borrow" someone's 7-year-old for a year? Dangling the prospect of mentoring, training, and financial support over them, then just moving on to a new kid when you get bored of the old one? Sowing distrust among the "Friend Families", so that they won't ever talk or compare notes or figure out what was going on?
I've been on the edge of adding every one of the dipshits caping for MJ to my ignore list.
I noticed people immediately changed their opinion on MJ after he died. Just because he died? I don't know why but everyone I knew was gunning for him and thought he was weird until he died and suddenly everyone loved him again. It'll be hard for some people to just accept this truth for whatever reason.
It was always weird how he treated some his fans that were children and how he had visitors spend the night.
It was always weird how he treated some his fans that were children and how he had visitors spend the night.
Some people take "never speak ill of the dead" far too literal...
I think once the people who were a part of his fanbase while he was alive are gone and most of the general populace has no living memory of Jackson......he will predominantly be remembered as a pedophile.
Just starting part 1 but here is good info on the backstory of the doc itself
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joevog...ow-about-the-new-michael-jackson-documentary/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joevog...ow-about-the-new-michael-jackson-documentary/
Just watched part one. Man, this was difficult to watch, especially when both guys go into details. Seeing the story of Michael basically destroy an entire family is heartbreaking as well. This is only half of it too.
Just finished. A lot to process, but it's hard for me to imagine a living, breathing soul being able to watch this and not recognize and condemn the clear abuses that were present in Michael's behaviors and actions, before you even get to the sexual assault allegations.
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I wonder what kind of relationship
Actually, there are many cases where men and women have lied about sexual assault. There is a episode of Iyanla Vanzant Fix my life, with a mother who had falsely accused her daughter's father of raping his own children. Only later to admit she made it up, partially because she was sexually assaulted.
My aunt friend was falsely accused of molesting her kids, by the kids father. He was just being vindictive, and didn't want to give her child support for his kids.
We live in a world of deceit, murder, jealousy, envy, pride and hate. So, I believe anything is possible, but I will not say it is a fact. Unless, there is evidence or witnesses to the act, its a possibility.
"Disclaimer: this article is not intended as a review of Leaving Neverland, which I have not seen, but rather of the context behind the allegations in the documentary."
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True, but there is a defense team. That is a tight rope, that will be attempted to be walked.
? So because it talks about behind the scenes stuff on the documentary it's a bad article? That's kind of silly don't you think
It makes an incredibly disingenuous comparison to R. Kelly and decides to make it racial. Stupid as hell and irrelevant to the documentary.
You don't find the context around Wade Robson and trying to influence work as a choreographer for MJ Cirque du Solai and Kenny Ortega's This is It relevant to the documentary? Or him shopping a book around?
I saw part one of the documentary this evening, and I found it very disturbing. I've liked some songs of Michael Jackson's, but I've never considered myself a big fan—casual fan at best. I would choose to believe the victims, but I did look into the cases quite a bit a few months ago and believed at that time that perhaps MJ has molested children, but those who have brought cases against him so far haven't appeared to be true. I still believe that it's possible, but I have yet to be very convinced that he molested children. I found the timeline in the article to be interesting:
"The film's director, Dan Reed, acknowledged not wanting to interview other key figures because it might complicate or compromise the story he wanted to tell."
This is damning if that's what he really said.
Hopefully I'm corrected if I'm wrong, but I believe the stats point to around 5% of reported rape accusations to be proven false (Somebody PLEASE correct me if wrong!). However, those are just reported rapes and don't factor in the victims that stay silent, which are the overall majority.
Edit: starting part 1 right now. I'm interested to see how public perception of Michael evolves over the next few years.
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