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Leaving Neverland, HBO documentary on Michael Jackson's alleged child sexual assaults, review thread: Currently 94% on Rotten Tomatoes
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This forum isn't some perfect safe beacon. There are assholes here just like any other forum, but the mods are doing a good job thus far. You have to remember some members on this forum decided to commit account suicide on GAF by posting self mutilation pics/gifs and shit.
On topic, it's crazy how the story has always been the same, but years ago a lot of people chose not to believe it. Now, everyone is on board during the metoo movement.
Oh, so I'm embarrassing myself. Before I curse you out in this thread, I'll just say this. You don't know what members of my family has been through, and that's on both sides, victims and falsely accused.
One false accuser, smoked weed laced with pcp, got in to high speed chase with the police, evidence of the lieing, text, facebook messages, pictures.Despite all that, the prosecutor said she will not speak with the accuser, who coerced his kids into saying they were abused.
My mom was violated when she was a toddler in Little Rock, Arkansas, she was born the year 1953. My mother and grandmother wonder even today if it was my grandfather that killed him a week later.
And that one incomplete sentence, was meant to be a question about Robson relationship with his mother. Because he would or should feel like no one was there to protect him. Similarly to the way my wife feels, after her mother continuously left her at home with her step father who assaulted her, despite my wife as a child begging her mom to take her with her, while taking her baby boy with her only.
I'm pissed now. I was cool until you posted that shit.
User banned (1 week): Inflammatory drive-by in a thread about sexual assault + previous serious infractions
Billions of dollars in stake, multiple investigation, lawsuit, none of them proved that MJ is guilty.
I believe in the victim, as in that MJ is victim of a false accusations.
I believe in the victim, as in that MJ is victim of a false accusations.
This thread is filled with far more of that than just that one poster.
uh that seems like a pretty big thing to get mistaken in a retelling of alleged sexual acts, why would you hand-waive that.
Two bans in a 26 page thread littered with outright victim blaming and shaming.
Yea ui
Yea, he's cancelled for me. Shame, I always wanted to play " Rock With You" at my wedding ( yes there are many things ahead of that on the list of shameful things, it's just a personal moment that I had always looked forward to).
We will never 100% know for sure what happened in regards to the sexual abuse allegations, but the bolded is more than enough for me to be done with him. Abuse of a different nature but absolutely indefensible and horrific. These were children he looked at like personal play things.
Bullshit as if billions of dollars somehow makes the perpetrator more liable lol it gives him all the power to hide the truth .
I'm glad you feel this way but it flies in the face of what you were saying to me hours ago:
When I was saying that the situation was abhorrent outside of any sexual abuse. Bolded your own. My post below:
If you don't see an issue with an adult having consecutive sleepovers with little boys while lavishing the parents with expensive gifts, with the wealth and power dynamics in play as they were, then I'm not trying to guilt you into anything, I'm straight up calling your shit disgusting.
After this:
Yet now you agree with another poster that letting Michael sleep in bed with their children was devastating, a fraction of what you were responding to and what was being said in the thread at the time.
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I don't understand how everyone can keep overlooking this point.
Having more to lose does not make someone less likely to do something terrible.
I understand the rest of what you're saying but "billions of dollars in stake" is not remotely relevant.
I meant that as in all you said doesn't = he 100% sexually molested children and I do still think his legacy will rest on that question. As the thread progressed the dialogue shifted from that abuse to the type of abuse you laid out, which I had no idea about.
So now having now seen the doc it can NOT be questioned that MJ willingly undertook operations that allowed him access to have emotional and mentally abusive relationships with children.
I said before that I would be done with him if allegations turned out to be true and those facts alone are enough for me to be done with him.
A seven year old kid having his whole world shattered because MJ found a new " toy" to play with...
I did not realize the extent to which MJ had his sick hands in these peoples lives, all under the guise of being a " gentle soul".
For anyone who can't view the film, these are the faxes presented in part one. They would be sent to the Robson family's living room fax machine.
These look like the usual kind of messages he'd send to anyone.
I haven't watched the doc because I don't have HBO for one, but I think it's telling that they have letters, faxes, voice mails, some recordings, etc. but from what I've heard nothing that seems to out of the ordinary for him.
If you actually watched the doc you'd see that both these guys have serious issues with their mothers. Its literally how the doc ends.
I know we're supposed to be disgusted by the faxes, but they look about as salacious as a birthday card from my grandmother. Jackson and the Robsons were family friends for many years. He viewed Wade like a little brother and protege. Him flooding their living room with words of encouragement like "love you, little doo-doo, be the best!" isn't damning, yet the faxes are probably the only real "evidence" presented in Part 1 aside from Safechuck's jewelry (spoiler: Jackson gave out gifts to everyone. Safechuck's not unique in that regard).
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I think he's referring to the fact that someone is more likely to attack someone who has a lot of money because it's more likely to see financial gain, not he's less likely to be a predator because he has so much money on the line.
When he liked to sleep in the same bed as said child, yes it is. Your continued ignoring of this base level context throughout the thread to attack the window dressing is vile.
lol. you fuckin dope. giving it away way too early.
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Indeed, to give just one example he showered Elizabeth Taylor with gifts including a 17 carat diamond ring, a diamond bracelet, diamond necklaces and ruby encrusted watches, and he paid the $1.5m bill for her wedding.
Was he friends with Elizabeth Taylor or was he predominantly connected through his proclivity for spending time and having sleepovers with her children?
Part 1 spends its final 10 minutes or so doing nothing but implicating Brett Barnes as Jackson's new sex toy. He has a right to be pissed.
He was genuinely good enough friends with her that his own family felt deeply offended, like he treated her as family more than them. You can easily find all this for yourself with a search.
And her kids were all grow up in the 80s/90s. But I know you never seriously thought about the question anyway.
So if your children received those faxes it would be totally A-OK? Telling your kid he is lonely and such? Also, sleeping with your child in the same bed? The shit some people are pulling on here is bonkers.
- Buying lavish gifts for close friends
- Buying lavish gifts for parents with whom your predominant connection is your proclivity for spending time with and sleeping in bed with their children.
These two are not comparable. Stop acting like they are.
I'm not so sure about the director of this - he chose not to interview anyone who he saw as being positive about Michael Jackson, he said he decided fairly early that it was going to be a movie about the Robsons and the Safechucks, and not about Michael Jackson. He decided not to interview anyone else because that would dilute the story he wanted to tell. Not really the best way to go about making a documentary, starting with a story you want and not even trying to find out more information because it might ruin the story.
It's people like that who gave us the fake documentary showing that lemmings jump off cliffs to commit suicide (that director had the lemmings actually thrown off the cliff because they wouldn't do it themselves on camera, though he believed they would).
I mean, it's very possible everything in the documentary is true, but because of the way it was made, I can't really trust the things in it.
It's people like that who gave us the fake documentary showing that lemmings jump off cliffs to commit suicide (that director had the lemmings actually thrown off the cliff because they wouldn't do it themselves on camera, though he believed they would).
I mean, it's very possible everything in the documentary is true, but because of the way it was made, I can't really trust the things in it.
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I don't hit the ignore button often, but its starting to become tempting. I can't even fathom some of these posts.
Being emotionally co-dependent on young children and making them feel like they are responsible for the emotional well being of an adult man is totally acceptable and healthy behavior.
I think it all boils down to would you allow your child to spend a night with Michael Jackson? And if that answer is no, and you still find yourself defending Michael Jackson... well, stop being a willing idiot in defense of your idol.
...The "lonely' fax wasn't specifically meant for Wade, was it? This was a family fax machine located in their living room. The faxes were for everyone to see. And no, if I had a close family friend who was basically like an uncle or big brother to my children, I wouldn't care if they sent what essentially amounts to "best wishes" cards to my house. You guys are deliberately viewing this in the most perverse way possible (partly because you've just finished watching a one-sided 2 hour film).
Just do it already.
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Lot of dudes in here still thinking it perfectly fine for a adult man to sleep in the same bed as random children....
That is all kinds of nasty
That is all kinds of nasty
Michael Jackson was a pedophile who was a mastermind at sugar coating it. The amount of mental gymnastics people will do to overlook a celebrity using their wealth to get access to kids is proof of that.
It doesn't matter if he never laid a finger on those kids. As soon as he used his celebrity to get access to them it was abuse. End of story.
It doesn't matter if he never laid a finger on those kids. As soon as he used his celebrity to get access to them it was abuse. End of story.
Right, except he didn't just send cards. Jackson's relationship with children was perverse in nature and the cards are just an extension of his inappropriate behavior.
He groomed and incessantly slept in the same bed with children, sometimes in his underwear, and two of those children say he molested them.
But they are close friends sending birthday cards like a uncle and I trust him.
Don't have to have sex with kids to ruin lives. Abuse/ fucking their head up can have the same result. Many here don't get that
I haven't seen the film yet and I think that's creepy grooming behaviour from an adult directed at a child.
Do you have kids? Can I sleep with your kids? I've never been convicted for child abuse so you have nothing to worry about. Please let me buy you a new car and sleep with your kids.
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