"The film's director, Dan Reed, acknowledged not wanting to interview other key figures because it might complicate or compromise the story he wanted to tell."
This is damning if that's what he really said.
Interviewer: What do you make of the Jordan Chandler penis inconsistency? He said Jackson was circumcised and the autopsy report said he wasn't.
REED: You're getting technical now.
I honestly never thought anyone on Era would say such horrible things.
But where's the proof. Never found during investigations? Why should I believe the doc? 🤷♂️ Don't think I will watch it. I'll let you guys tell me I'm a bad person yada yada
Never on ERA of all places did I think I'd see posters attempting to discredit and flat-out call abuse victims liars.
This is some old place bullshit.
This thread is filled with far more of that than just that one poster.It is disgusting and offensive to watch this member attack sexual assault victims. I honestly never thought anyone on Era would say such horrible things.
Two bans in a 26 page thread littered with outright victim blaming and shaming.This thread is filled with far more than just that one poster.
Oh, so I'm embarrassing myself. Before I curse you out in this thread, I'll just say this. You don't know what members of my family has been through, and that's on both sides, victims and falsely accused.
One false accuser, smoked weed laced with pcp, got in to high speed chase with the police, evidence of the lieing, text, facebook messages, pictures.Despite all that, the prosecutor said she will not speak with the accuser, who coerced his kids into saying they were abused.
My mom was violated when she was a toddler in Little Rock, Arkansas, she was born the year 1953. My mother and grandmother wonder even today if it was my grandfather that killed him a week later.
And that one incomplete sentence, was meant to be a question about Robson relationship with his mother. Because he would or should feel like no one was there to protect him. Similarly to the way my wife feels, after her mother continuously left her at home with her step father who assaulted her, despite my wife as a child begging her mom to take her with her, while taking her baby boy with her only.
I'm pissed now. I was cool until you posted that shit.
This is devastating. The parents just allowing him to sleep in his room.
Well, Part 1 was the most skin-crawling experience I have had in a long time. Even after like two disclaimers about how sexually graphic the film was going to be, I still did not expect it to be as gross and explicit as it was.
I guess Jackson's childish, meek, deer-in-headlights demeanor really threw parents for a loop. I could see why someone might not even think of him as a sexual person, or someone capable of predatory behavior. He's not the mustache-and-sunglasses creepy molester type that is often played up in the media.
Even if the abuse allegations were untrue, the way he treated the kids and their families was absolutely fucked up. Asking to "borrow" someone's 7-year-old for a year? Dangling the prospect of mentoring, training, and financial support over them, then just moving on to a new kid when you get bored of the old one? Sowing distrust among the "Friend Families", so that they won't ever talk or compare notes or figure out what was going on?
Bullshit as if billions of dollars somehow makes the perpetrator more liable lol it gives him all the power to hide the truth .Billions of dollars in stake, multiple investigation, lawsuit, none of them proved that MJ is guilty.
I believe in the victim, as in that MJ is victim of a false accusations.
I'm glad you feel this way but it flies in the face of what you were saying to me hours ago:We will never 100% know for sure what happened in regards to the sexual abuse allegations, but the bolded is more than enough for me to be done with him. Abuse of a different nature but absolutely indefensible and horrific. These were children he looked at like personal play things.
When I was saying that the situation was abhorrent outside of any sexual abuse. Bolded your own. My post below:So instead of getting emotional some people would just like to see more evidence. Repeat yourself all you want but again, he's not on trial for the things you're talking about, his legacy rests on whether or not he was guilty of sexually abusing children. End.
I honestly can't remember the last thread where people actively ignored any evidence contrary to their POV in favor of appealing to emotions/ trying to guilt people to their "side".
I don't understand how everyone can keep overlooking this point.Even if the abuse allegations were untrue, the way he treated the kids and their families was absolutely fucked up. Asking to "borrow" someone's 7-year-old for a year? Dangling the prospect of mentoring, training, and financial support over them, then just moving on to a new kid when you get bored of the old one? Sowing distrust among the "Friend Families", so that they won't ever talk or compare notes or figure out what was going on?
Billions of dollars in stake, multiple investigation, lawsuit, none of them proved that MJ is guilty.
I believe in the victim, as in that MJ is victim of a false accusations.
I'm glad you feel this way but it flies in the face of what you were saying to me hours ago:
When I was saying that the situation was abhorrent outside of any sexual abuse.
For anyone who can't view the film, these are the faxes presented in part one. They would be sent to the Robson family's living room fax machine.
These look like the usual kind of messages he'd send to anyone.For anyone who can't view the film, these are the faxes presented in part one. They would be sent to the Robson family's living room fax machine.
And that one incomplete sentence, was meant to be a question about Robson relationship with his mother. Because he would or should feel like no one was there to protect him. Similarly to the way my wife feels, after her mother continuously left her at home with her step father who assaulted her, despite my wife as a child begging her mom to take her with her, while taking her baby boy with her only.
I know we're supposed to be disgusted by the faxes, but they look about as salacious as a birthday card from my grandmother. Jackson and the Robsons were family friends for many years. He viewed Wade like a little brother and protege. Him flooding their living room with words of encouragement like "love you, little doo-doo, be the best!" isn't damning, yet the faxes are probably the only real "evidence" presented in Part 1 aside from Safechuck's jewelry (spoiler: Jackson gave out gifts to everyone. Safechuck's not unique in that regard).These look like the usual kind of messages he'd send to anyone.
I haven't watched the doc because I don't have HBO if nothing else, but I think it's telling that they have letters, faxes, voice mails, some recordings, etc. but from what I've heard nothing that seems to out of the ordinary for him.
Having more to lose does not make someone less likely to do something terrible.
I understand the rest of what you're saying but "billions of dollars in stake" is not remotely relevant.
When he liked to sleep in the same bed as said child, yes it is. Your continued ignoring of this base level context throughout the thread to attack the window dressing is vile.I know we're supposed to be disgusted by the faxes, but they look about as salacious as a birthday card from my grandmother. Jackson and the Robsons were family friends for many years. He viewed Wade like a little brother and protege. Him flooding their living room with words of encouragement like "love you, little doo-doo, be the best!" isn't damning
lol. you fuckin dope. giving it away way too early.Had to do it, somebody had to. I hope this doesn't make sharing a bad thing.
Indeed, to give just one example he showered Elizabeth Taylor with gifts including a 17 carat diamond ring, a diamond bracelet, diamond necklaces and ruby encrusted watches, and he paid the $1.5m bill for her wedding.I know we're supposed to be disgusted by the faxes, but they look about as salacious as a birthday card from my grandmother. Jackson and the Robsons were family friends for many years. He viewed Wade like a little brother and protege. Him flooding their living room with words of encouragement like "love you, little doo-doo, be the best!" isn't damning, yet the faxes are probably the only real "evidence" presented in Part 1 aside from Safechuck's jewelry (spoiler: Jackson gave out gifts to everyone. Safechuck's not unique in that regard).
Was he friends with Elizabeth Taylor or was he predominantly connected through his proclivity for spending time and having sleepovers with her children?Indeed, to give just one example he showered Elizabeth Taylor with gifts including a 17 carat diamond ring, a diamond bracelet, diamond necklaces and ruby encrusted watches, and he paid the $1.5m bill for her wedding.
Part 1 spends its final 10 minutes or so doing nothing but implicating Brett Barnes as Jackson's new sex toy. He has a right to be pissed.I'd like to note to that the documentary never suggests Brett Barnes and Macauly Caulkin were molested, just that they replaced Jimmy and Wade by Michael's side which is completely fact-based.
He was genuinely good enough friends with her that his own family felt deeply offended, like he treated her as family more than them. You can easily find all this for yourself with a search.Was he friends with Elizabeth Taylor or was he predominantly connected through his proclivity for spending time and having sleepovers with her children?
I know we're supposed to be disgusted by the faxes, but they look about as salacious as a birthday card from my grandmother. Jackson and the Robsons were family friends for many years. He viewed Wade like a little brother and protege. Him flooding their living room with words of encouragement like "love you, little doo-doo, be the best!" isn't damning, yet the faxes are probably the only real "evidence" presented in Part 1 aside from Safechuck's jewelry (spoiler: Jackson gave out gifts to everyone. Safechuck's not unique in that regard).
He was genuinely good enough friends with her that his own family felt deeply offended. She said she totally believed in his innocence. You can easily find all this for yourself with a search.
I think he's referring to the fact that someone is more likely to attack someone who has a lot of money because it's more likely to see financial gain, not he's less likely to be a predator because he has so much money on the line.
Heads up since some of you literally don't seem to know how to interact with children yourselves and it's starting to be a little worrying honestly: don't call other people's kids that you like to sleep in bed with "little one."
Jesus christ.
So if your children received those faxes it would be totally A-OK? Telling your kid he is lonely and such? Also, sleeping with your child in the same bed? The shit some people are pulling on here is bonkers.
...The "lonely' fax wasn't specifically meant for Wade, was it? This was a family fax machine located in their living room. The faxes were for everyone to see. And no, if I had a close family friend who was basically like an uncle or big brother to my children, I wouldn't care if they sent what essentially amounts to "best wishes" cards to my house. You guys are deliberately viewing this in the most perverse way possible (partly because you've just finished watching a one-sided 2 hour film).So if your children received those faxes it would be totally A-OK? Telling your kid he is lonely and such? Also, sleeping with your child in the same bed? The shit some people are pulling on here is bonkers.
Just do it already.I don't hit the ignore button often, but its starting to become tempting. I can't even fathom some of these posts.
Lot of dudes in here still thinking it perfectly fine for a adult man to sleep in the same bed as random children....
That is all kinds of nasty
...The "lonely' fax wasn't specifically meant for Wade, was it? This was a family fax machine located in their living room. The faxes were for everyone to see. And no, if I had close family friend who was basically like an uncle or big brother to my children, I wouldn't care if they sent what essentially amounts to "best wishes" cards. You guys are deliberately viewing this in the most perverse way possible (partly because you've just finished watching a totally one-sided two-hour film).
Just do it already.
Lot of dudes in here still thinking it perfectly fine for a adult man to sleep in the same bed as random children....
That is all kinds of nasty
Don't have to have sex with kids to ruin lives. Abuse/ fucking their head up can have the same result. Many here don't get thatI believe no one argues that MJ was weird and not of sound mind but there is a difference between that and having sex with children
Just wait for the court case guys, everyone deserves one and especially on grey cases like this one
I haven't seen the film yet and I think that's creepy grooming behaviour from an adult directed at a child....The "lonely' fax wasn't specifically meant for Wade, was it? This was a family fax machine located in their living room. The faxes were for everyone to see. And no, if I had a close family friend who was basically like an uncle or big brother to my children, I wouldn't care if they sent what essentially amounts to "best wishes" cards to my house. You guys are deliberately viewing this in the most perverse way possible (partly because you've just finished watching a one-sided 2 hour film).