I'm surprised that you're surprised that he's got a mainly Pro Brexit fanbase. But at least you know now.
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Considering how much he shit on the tories brexit plans originally and argued that we would be worse off with brexit I was surprised.
But then he did put out a video later on that essentially said the tories had a better plan then Labour or something like that which really made me think wtf.
But either way I don't watch his stuff anymore because it's clear what sort of shit he is doing.
A real aggravating and important one.
A relevant tweet that wasn't included in the video:
There is a real danger to the way these things are being reported on
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Didn't make a topic on Gaming side but I love this video about the outrage over the reduction of Tifa's cup size in FF7 Remake. The subject is a jumping off point for Renegade Cut to basically outline the overall system straight white men use to maintain the status quo whether they're oblivious to it or not:
This video was also the first I've heard of this amazing and succinct quote about the mindset of diversity & ethical representation being "political" from Dr. Emma Vossen:
This video was also the first I've heard of this amazing and succinct quote about the mindset of diversity & ethical representation being "political" from Dr. Emma Vossen:
Emma Vossen said:
Incels/alt-right people just have unrealistic standards for women, like Tifa is hot as fuck in the remake yet they get all pissy because somehow the new Tifa isn't enough for them to jack off to.
I can across this article from the New Republic. Looks like LefttTbe is gaining some prominence in the media. It goes over most of the main figures too.
Remember "Faradayspeaks" and whether he is troll or not? Well if he is still trolling, he surely goes in DEEP, as now he has been featured on TYT's "The Conversation". Pretty good bit:
Ugh, I saw this video from Kim Justice and I'm a bit disappointed. She may have changed since then but I don't know if she has. She calls the left "SJW" and calls herself a centrist, which is obviously a red flag. I can understand some of her other points but I didn't know about those.
She flaked on her gig with Retronauts, tried to attack Dan Olson for "screaming" at her because she was defending a UK YouTuber of plagiarism (because reasons...), had some GamerGators in her follow Fridays (probably because they were UK alumni, see previous issue) and posts stuff like this:
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Damn, did Era piss in her cereals or something?
Anyway, the only thing I can remember is a vid where she sais she was sorta neutral on Gamergate. But I haven't watched her in a long while cause it got kinda boring, and not all European gaming history interests me (even though I'm European).
Anyway, the only thing I can remember is a vid where she sais she was sorta neutral on Gamergate. But I haven't watched her in a long while cause it got kinda boring, and not all European gaming history interests me (even though I'm European).
Did she used to be left and is now centrist? Just wondering what's her context in relation to this thread. Don't know who she is, gaming related?
Well, in the video I linked she mentions that she used to consider herself left-leaning before moving to the centre.
Yup. A retro youtuber with more of a British point of view. Made some decent videos about microcomputer-related games and companies (like the OG Elite, US Gold, Psygnosis etc).
Ok. Anyone who goes on about "SJW" unironically is suspect anyway, so won't try to give her views.
Oh ok. It's a shame, but do you know what set her off to become a centrist? Did someone check her privilege or something pushed her buttons so her conservative parts were coming out?
I'm not sure exactly, but in the video she does make a point that I can understand, in that she feels like people are promoting her content because she is trans and not because her videos are good, which I think makes her feel that the actual content/quality of her videos themselves are getting ignored. I'm not sure if that's what caused her to move more towards the centre though, if it was something else, or maybe she just wasn't as left-leaning as she had originally thought.
Kat Blaque and Contrapoints are going through the same thing of being pigeonholed as trans content creators but they're not moving their political positions so it's probably something else.
So Dave Rubin thought he had an easy softball interview with Marianne Williamson (Oprah's spiritual leader and 2020 presidential candidate). Instead it became her teaching him the history of slavery step by step and how reparations aren't an attack on white Americans.
Sadly, Mr. Ideas still comes away with "but but... I'm not guilty!"
I have to say... The interview surprised me. It's like Williamson was channeling Seder the whole time. It's worth a watch (logged out of YouTube, so it doesn't fuck with your recommendations).
The bits I saw of Williamson' debate with Rubin on Seder's and Brook's shows made me appreciate her a lot. She's saying things that will get under the skin of Rubin's audience but she might get through to some. Wish she got to talk about topics like that on the debate stage. Won't bring her a lot of votes (it's not like she's high up in the polls) but it would reach a lot of folks.
Hey, I didn't know about this thread, wtf
My favourite left wing YouTuber is definitely Shaun. By the way, three arrows sounds almost the same as him and his channel has a very similar style. Could it be that they're the same guy?
Oh, and laughing at Dave Rubin is my favourite hobby
My favourite left wing YouTuber is definitely Shaun. By the way, three arrows sounds almost the same as him and his channel has a very similar style. Could it be that they're the same guy?
Oh, and laughing at Dave Rubin is my favourite hobby
Yeah, they're similar in style, but Three Arrows is more history-minded. Definitely not the same person though. Shaun is British, while Three Arrows is German.
Three Arrows did copy him a little, I believe he admitted as much before? Nothing wrong with that. And hey, he's distinctive enough (accent, humor, history nerd rage) that you can't say he's basically doing the same thing as Shaun.
That reminded me, I haven't checked on both of their channels in months. o.O
That reminded me, I haven't checked on both of their channels in months. o.O
I remember before the days of Shaun/Three Arrows LeftTube's response videos were much more far-left. Libertarian Socialist Rants, DemocraticSocialist01 and BadMouseProductions were much more open about being anarchists/communists. However, because of that they weren't able to garner the wider appeal that Contra, Shaun, Three Arrows and Hbomber have been able to achieve because they focus mainly on confronting right-wing talking points instead of promoting far-left ones.
Can someone point me to a good video on how the republicans are worse than the democrats on money when they are in office and why being against 'big government' because the private sector is better/cheaper is a silly argument?
Had a friendly discussion yesterday. I think he is not a a lost cause yet. 😜
Had a friendly discussion yesterday. I think he is not a a lost cause yet. 😜
Smart way to keep your audience as broad as possible I guess. I think they are more centre left social democrats in most things, atleast that's the impression I get.
Just discovered thought slime and I'm really liking his videos. His Jordan Peterson video and the capitalist review one are incredible.
He's talking about how Leftist Youtube has become another mode of capital in a market based on "cultivating identity", i.e. selling wokeness and celebrity. He's also saying that this is (probably) not an intentional thing but it's atomizing leftist ideology online and preventing actual movement from happening.This has come to a head with the "dirtbag vs. sjw" frame that leftist youtube (and really a lot of progressive online presence) has fallen into, or at least the inward perception has fallen into.
I agree with a lot of it.
I do think that this will be a problem down the line, especially if (hopefully when) the Trumpists fall out of power. By then people will have to discuss the ways to achieve said goals, which may be different for a number of people. The current advantage LeftTube has right now is that there's a visible opposition to voice their concerns against. Once that's gone, it will be interesting to see how the individuals react.
Another problem is that people on the left have different priorities than other people, with some people preferring to focus on certain subjects over others. Many Peter's seems to focus on economic issues, but his video may not resonate with those who believe that class equality alone won't solve racial or LGBzt disparities. The left is much more vulnerable to balkanization than the right who is more or less a monolithic block and that can make it difficult to reach out to ther videos.
I do think that there should be more done to help out lesser known youtubers though. The problem is that there's simply so much content that upstarts have a tough time distinguishing themselves.
EDIT: Ah, here's the thread with Philosophy Tube's quote. It's part of a bigger thread.
Another problem is that people on the left have different priorities than other people, with some people preferring to focus on certain subjects over others. Many Peter's seems to focus on economic issues, but his video may not resonate with those who believe that class equality alone won't solve racial or LGBzt disparities. The left is much more vulnerable to balkanization than the right who is more or less a monolithic block and that can make it difficult to reach out to ther videos.
I do think that there should be more done to help out lesser known youtubers though. The problem is that there's simply so much content that upstarts have a tough time distinguishing themselves.
EDIT: Ah, here's the thread with Philosophy Tube's quote. It's part of a bigger thread.
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But this division in groups is normal, conservatives x progressives, left x right etc.
Even division in the left is old and normal. Class conflict and these divisions will exist even with Trump out. I agree with the rest.
But how this discussion started?
We need to meet people where they are, not where we want them to be. Celebrity culture and the youtube algorithmic economy are what they are whether we like it or not.
I'm more worried about the neoliberal frame of mind that thinks education and awareness and agreement is the endgoal and not the starting point, and what can bridge the gap into action.
The right has very different priorities too. It's just that the entire movement is driven by a select few with a lot of money, so all they need is for people in the anti-sjw, gun rights, anti-abortion, and anti-immigration camps to sit and consume the specific brand of conservatism and let others direct it. Their problem is by letting that happen, the billionaire interests get way more priority over all those other issues.
In the past, the left absolutely tore itself apart by inner squabbles, and I think it's because many of those groups were looking to be the one true leftist movement above all others, making it possible for outside infiltrators to deepen those rifts into ineffectiveness. Trying to create a seat at the top like conservatives have is a very ugly process that doesn't mesh with leftism, and even when successful it results in short lived and not great rule.
I think we need many fragmented groups in alliance with each other to avoid all that from happening again.
Hard to disagree with anything Peter is saying here. Whether or not your leftist views line up with Peter's leftist views, his wider points are:
1. Left-tube is currently operating like a boutique market - with a handful of superstars dominating the conversation/attention.
2. This market, whether it's been created intentionally (e.g. people looking to beat others in a competition) or unintentionally (as a natural consequence of operating in a capitalist system) is not fully compatible with (and in many ways, inherently incompatible with) 'leftist ideas'.
3. Leftistsm by it's very nature, is a collectivist notion, that is concerned with empowering the masses, including (or especially, depending on your leftist lens) those who are abused/marginalised/mistreated/excluded in our current capitalist system. (Obviously questions of identity are relevant here).
4. Part of empowerment involves being given a voice.
5. Smaller left-tubers struggle to gain attention/grow (and therefore lack empowerment/power) for a variety of reasons (lack of resources, knowledge, support, money, equipment, algorithm bias etc). One of those reasons is also the pull/allure of the big left-tubers that dominate the market.
6. Something should be done about this, to help about this problem. Peter and Angie are doing their part through incubating smaller left-tubers, but that's just a small part of the puzzle.
7. More needs to be done to actually build a movement and build a healthier network of left-tubers. It shouldn't be about superstars, it should be about hearing from/giving power to others, especially from marginalised backgrounds (who still remain marginalised even in left-tube, as people have pointed out.
8. Somewhere in here is the idea that while it's good to spread ideas, the left actually has to come together (somehow) to form an actual movement to make changes in the real world. And that cannot happen if people, especially the left-tuber superstars, end up treating left-tube like a market.
9. Some people within Left-tube (apparently) don't see the need to come together to form a movement. This thinking needs to change. Individualistic thinking will not save us.
I think that about covers it? The problem, remains - how to organise a decentralized movement that ideally shouldn't have a powerful hierarchy / superstars / etc.
Solutions? No idea - there's certainly no silver bullet. But something needs to be done that can turn Left-tube videos with thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions of views into an actual, leftist movement with that actually impacts the world.
I'd also add that talking about this stuff in an educational and engaging way is a skill most people don't have. Being an entertainer or an educator requires a lot of research, thought, and practice. It's not exactly like you can just give just anyone a microphone and an audience and it'd all work itself out.