I would say "you'd be surprised how many of these chuds are pedos, though" but considering how many contacts for Trump that Epstein had in his address book, maybe it's not that surprising after all
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True, but that's a little irrelevant to my point. Milo wasn't, for example, kicked off The_Donald for disagreeing with someone. He was abandoned by the alt-right, because strategically, they know a guy who is known to be pro-pedo won't be useful for spreading their ideas to centrists and "normies."
If you disagree with the hatred, you disagree with the central premise of the movement and aren't politically useful so getting banned is expected.
But I'm not talking about their treatment of individuals without a platform, I'm talking how groups treat different groups.
To continue the onion analogy, how different layers of the onion treat each other, and to go even further, different points on the onion.
Thanks to Thought Slime I have started reading up more on Anarchist philosophy. Does anyone have any good book recommendations on the subject?
I just borrowed two books with anarchism in the title at the library, and am quite enjoying Translating Anarchy by Mark Bray so far.
I just borrowed two books with anarchism in the title at the library, and am quite enjoying Translating Anarchy by Mark Bray so far.
To think how many people do not have the resources and know-how to fight these spurious claims. Fuck capitalism.
For sure. I'll be honest, I don't even understand what is going on, precisely.
I hope all the best for Lindsay.
Yeah, it's awful.
To summarize to the best of my understanding, UMG made a copyright claim on her video and put ads on it and because it's a sponsored video part of her contract with Audible stipulates that ads cannot be run on it which technically puts her in violation of that contract. Someone brought up that YouTube could be considered the party in violation (since they're responsible for it happening, it being their platform,) and YouTube responded with a whole lot of nothing, just clarifying that the claim is "valid" insofar that UMG owns the copyright and it's now up to them to decide whether to accept the appeal. So, Lindsay now seems intent on taking it directly to YouTube. Not knowledgeable about how much of a case she actually has here, so dunno how it'll develop.
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Oh wow, thank you. Okay, so I definitely didn't know that UMG could just go in and put ads on her video. That seems really wrong to me. I want to say again: Good luck to Lindsay! I hope she wins this (however that might come about).
To be fair, when your content is clearly fair use, fighting the claims through the YT automated system is often really simple (but still frustrating).
You do the appeal, then (a decent amount of the time you have to follow up with a) counter-appeal, and then in case of a strike (the copyright "owner" going that far is rare) you appeal the strike.
The complication for this case is Lindsay's video apparently needing to be ad-free as per agreement with her sponsor (weird as fuck agreement to put in a contract for anyone who's familiar with YT, I have to say), and the copyright claimant forcing ads rather than disabling them.
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Isn't the issue also that often times copyright holders don't actually respect fair use? If a copyright holder decides to uphold a claim you're out of luck unless you're willing/able to lawyer up. At least, that was my impression, I'm no youtuber.
They (technically) have to lawyer up first and actually send you legal docs if you dispute/appeal them all the way to the final step.
I am a YouTuber (god, I hate saying that), and have gotten to that final phase before in a dispute (no court action was taken, and I don't even know of a single case where a large company actually followed through on that).
From YouTube Help:
"After we process your counter notification by forwarding it to the claimant, the claimant has 10 business days to give us evidence that they've initiated a court action to keep the content down. This time period is a requirement of copyright law, so please be patient.
If your account has been suspended for multiple copyright violations, the counter notification webform will be inaccessible. If appropriate, you may submit a free-form counter notification."
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Yeah, YT is fucked in countless ways, but people tend to over-exaggerate about certain things anyway despite the legit problems.
The big issue in regards to fair use was that claims used to just steal or eliminate your ad revenue with zero recourse or way to get it back. I used to complain how they need to implement a side-account and pay out to the victor of the dispute, which is exactly what they eventually implemented (been that way for a few years now).
There's still problems in that certain claims (thankfully they're more uncommon) make the video de-monetized with no way for it to display ads at all during the dispute process, and/or the claim causes the video to be blocked in some countries.
But as far as getting claims cleared, and in most cases getting your "lost" revenue, it's just a lengthy process (lots of waiting, many claims clear by timing out) and annoying to have to do. If you have common sense and know unequivocally your content falls under fair use, you shouldn't be fearful of the process at all, however.
The problem Lindsay is complaining about is really specific, and apparently revolves around her Audible sponsor wanting the video to lack ads.
(Which again, is just fucking weird as hell to put in a contract and agree to, because c'mon, it's YT, of course it's possible it'll get claimed and have ads forced upon it.)
No lies detected. That said I feel fortunate that my job doesn't feel like that for the most part. I think not unrelated to the fact that it is a European company.
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As a European with a white collar job, many things talked about here are alien to me. Like it comes from a dystopian alternate reality.
Don't get me wrong, my job isn't paradise but still...
American work culture is beyond fucked up.
Yeah, same here. Although, I don't know about you, but I work in a startup company, so I have to imagine that, even in the US, things are pretty different from what is talked about in the video if you happen to be working in a tiny company. Imagine unionizing in a 3-man company lol. This seems to apply mostly to mid-sized and large companies.
I work in a fairly large company.
There's even an union, but I'm not all that familiar with it actually. Pretty sure it's a holdover from Yugoslavia.
Speaking as a smaller channel...yeah it's disgraceful how much abuse of copyright law has screwed over people without the same connections or ability to raise a stink and get a clear case of ignoring fair use as a defense for transformative media; i've had at least two videos of mine struck into the void, one being blocked globally (it was on the history of Canadian music, thanks Warner Music you ghouls), the outright removed/voluntarily taken down because the copyright holder was going to leave a strike on my channel if I didn't (thanks ShoPro).
They're a great great essayist. Dedicated and always does his research.
Speaking of, I wanted to give a bit of love to Sarah Z who in terms of LeftTube is very close to Renegade Cut with her jumping off points being about pop culture media and relating it to real world issues:
This was great about internalised misogyny, how men can hate on conventionally attractive women but also NLOGs, and how NLOGs still center around men e.g. "cool girl". A good companion piece with Tiffany's video which I had already seen.
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Hey, yeah I haven't really been active here or updated the OP in quite a long time.
I can add Thought Slime to the OP this weekend, as well as any others that have blown up recently.
I very much agree libs and leftists suck at arguing outside of their in groups, and that kelly ann conway example was an excellent one, but I'm skeptical about it being because common sense across the board favors the right. There's lots of issues the right has to do the heavy lifting on, like why the solution to drug addiction is jailtime, or why CEOs and bankers deserve any trust or freedom at all.
You can probably just end the video half way in where he points out how libs and leftists look for the gotcha in order to win arguments instead of selling their own ideas.
I was a NLOG as a teenager, so I related a lot to what she said here. Extremely interesting.
It also makes rewatching some movies very interesting in retrospect.
Like:
- Legally Blonde
- Clueless
- Mean Girls
are all pretty damn good feminist movies in their own ways. Rewatching them as a feminist adult offered new layers of interpretation, than when I did as a teenager. And nowadays you have movies like Booksmart that keep on doing that as well, in a beautiful and fun way.
So, this happened.
Transcript from Contrapoints Stream, talking about what happened in the whole Buck Angel situation.
She explains herself.
(Oh and also throws shades at hbomberguy even though he raised over 300k for a trans charity and calls it "virtue signaling").
Transcript from Contrapoints Stream, talking about what happened in the whole Buck Angel situation.
She explains herself.
(Oh and also throws shades at hbomberguy even though he raised over 300k for a trans charity and calls it "virtue signaling").
"Buck Angel is not Richard Spencer"
Really? Is that the line? Why doesn't she just have Glinner on a video in that case.
Also there's been a lot of criticism of her claims that every trans person over a certain age is truscum.
Really? Is that the line? Why doesn't she just have Glinner on a video in that case.
Also there's been a lot of criticism of her claims that every trans person over a certain age is truscum.
I am not sure if anyone else is following the recent week's Destiny-related drama, but god damn, he is uncovering the same type of bullshit amongst leftist circles as he did with Jontron.
There is a group of self-proclaimed "leftists", who, when paired against him, are unable to vocalize their points properly, unable to make reasonable arguments and unable to follow a simple chain of reasoning. It is might-boggingly insane. Just watching this last video without any context should suffice to see what kind of content this is:
To get to the "start" of this, for example, you should start with this:
Which created this reaction - in which Peter actually just LEAVES in about 20 minutes after conceding on every single point, and just not owning up to what he did:
In comparison, THIS is when he argues with someone who does not have any ulterior motive of deplatforming/"destroying" him:
There is a LOT more about this, but I know this topic is not so hot with Destiny as he was banned from here. I do not agree with him politically on capitalism's current state of affairs and on the solutions, but leftitst need to drop this lowkey antiintellectual bullshit and start with actual arguments instead of attacking him on a personal level.
There is a group of self-proclaimed "leftists", who, when paired against him, are unable to vocalize their points properly, unable to make reasonable arguments and unable to follow a simple chain of reasoning. It is might-boggingly insane. Just watching this last video without any context should suffice to see what kind of content this is:
To get to the "start" of this, for example, you should start with this:
Which created this reaction - in which Peter actually just LEAVES in about 20 minutes after conceding on every single point, and just not owning up to what he did:
In comparison, THIS is when he argues with someone who does not have any ulterior motive of deplatforming/"destroying" him:
There is a LOT more about this, but I know this topic is not so hot with Destiny as he was banned from here. I do not agree with him politically on capitalism's current state of affairs and on the solutions, but leftitst need to drop this lowkey antiintellectual bullshit and start with actual arguments instead of attacking him on a personal level.
Well, then the exposition chain goes infinite cause he exposed the shallowness of Peter Coffin and Hasan too. AT LEAST. At the very least. (And in the debate with Michael Albert, they get into a quite productive discussion about post-capitalist societies, compared to other debates). My point is that these leftist celebrities can and often be lazy when it comes to their approach to opposing political ideologies.
If a leftist cannot hold their own against a liberal, then there is some heavy intellectual work to do, because that debate and that fight is winnable.
What is his argument against Hasan? I've seen his prior attempts to dig up dirt on him and found them wanting.
This whole beef between them is about a podcast where they debated whether it is ever okay to use N-word in a private settings. Destiny falled back on nuances (saying that it is okay to use it privately if it is in a satirical context, for example) and Hasan of course, does not believe that while refusing to say that he does not believe that when pushed on it. This is some heavily murky shit with tons of in-group references and beef obtained from previous discussions, so I would only advise this to people who have the free time and the strange lust for content like this: their "last?" debate
Destiny's criticism of Hasan is that he is unwilling to follow his stated principles (or implied principles - he sometimes dodges restating them when Destiny asks) to their logical conclusion. E.g. he has no faith in state-sponsored law enforcement but retreats into a smoke screen when asked about what crime victims should do in plausible emergency situations.
As I understand it, Destiny claims Hasan withdraws from the substance (as in, how do principles and grand systems impact reality) and only discusses context or whataboutism which seems to be Destiny's overall hang-up about debating voices from the left.
Coffin was just too nice and wanted to avoid any confrontation with Destiny. I'm not a massive fan of Coffin in any case.
The guy who really embarrassed himself was Douglas Lane. Dude sounded like a moron and should probably stick to scripted videos.
He was so nice he basically put all alt-right charicatures and put destiny's face on them.... -.-