Okay, this is going to be my last post on this. I feel like you're talking over me in that I'll point out specific things that happen in a conversation then you'll come back at me saying "Well, everybody can watch and see how Destiny won..." I also don't like talking about this and shouldn't have said anything in the first place, but at the same time I think you're really misrepresenting Destiny so I guess here I am.
You know, it almost feels like I'm suddenly signal boosting a 'white racist guy' and want to defend his passion for saying the N-word in private. Almost feels like you do not actually watch any of this , because I find it hard to get away with this characterisation, but the further I try to explain, the more I will be branded a racist-defender, so just fuck it.
I might be wrong but I think you've already been criticised for posting his videoes in this thread, yes you're still doing it, hence signal boasting. I don't have a lot of love for leftist Youtubers right now but I don't think Destiny's bullshit debates are a valid criticism of them nor does he ever actually their opinions look shallow as much as their expertise is actually reading theory, analysing history, and distributing in videoes where as Destiny's expertise is in useless internet bloodsport debates. Also you're defending someones who's racist, so yeah.
My point is that Destiny can easily be handled via proper arguments, hence people posting (including myself!) videos about him straight up losing debates where his opponents are prepared and he is not.
I don't know if that was your point? Your original post seemed to be that Destiny DESTROYED online leftists and he was capable of having good debates with people like Michael Albert (rather than pointing out Destiny was himself DESTROYED). When somebody pointed out he got embarrassed by Ben your response was "We'll Destiny destroyed all these other people!". Reference Peter "in which Peter actually just LEAVES in about 20 minutes after conceding on every single point" then reference a Hasan video as another example of a dunk where Destiny's good faith argument is 20 minutes of ignoring Hasan's points about how there's not difference to using slurs in private and public or how because of who he is and his audience are it creates problems, and instead SCREAMS and LEAVES when he thinks he gets a gotcha he wanted based on a minute long out of context clip that was so bad it was debunked if you saw the 30 seconds before it was taken.
You also miss out there's a huge difference between Destiny discussing drama like him being racists with people whilst framing it with a conspiracy theory of people trying to cancel him (nobody you referenced tried to cancel him, they were calling out bad/harmful takes) and Destiny debating leftist politics with people where he'll pull out such gems as the Vietnam War not playing a role in Vietnam's development because might makes right or the fact he can't even explain why slavery's morally wrong because of his surface level understanding.
But then again: Destiny just had a video chat with Pxie and they pretty much agreed that in the vast majority of contexts, there is no justification for saying the N-word, even in private. How is that for 'internet gamerbros over the last month has been him crying about how he should be able to say a slur towards black people.'?
This is a great example of Destiny's grift. He'll say different things to different people depending on what's the best way for him to farm content or try and salvage his image. Hasan said this in their left talk, Destiny's response was along the lines of "Well, I want an exact mathematical formula when it could potentially be appropriate to say a slur!" The difference being Hasan wanting a good faith conversation because he was concerned about what Destiny was doing whilst Destiny just wanted a gotcha so he could keep on lying and misrepresenting Hasan. Shit he'd been doing blatantly since calling TYT tankie propagandist (lol) and the ACAB shit you brought up early because for some reason you thought Destiny had a grounded opinion there.
Consider that Destiny's constantly been shifting the goalpost on this topic and is utterly dishonest about it a rough timeline of his view has been.
I'm not your friendly neighbourhood leftist > If my logs leaked the stuff in there's so terrible I'd be blacklisted from everything > Saying slurs is okay in private, clearly this is morally true because I'm too afraid to say them in front of my non-racist friends > Oh, my black internet friend is upset now I've told him I hold this position, best not empathise and double down by debating him > Oh... things are getting serious... I only use slurs in funny jokes with the accuracy and racial awareness of a white Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle (Just don't ask me to say any of these jokes publicly or point out that I've been saying for years that Dave Chappelle and Chris stopped telling those jokes because of how it normalised racism in white people) > Oh yes, I believe there are some specific context in which some specific white people can say slurs (please don't bring up my historical use of slurs or the other arguments or the fact I would only accept a yes/no answer on if white people could say slurs a week ago)
I disagree with the characterisation that you attribute to Destiny, he is not the type to schemingly "bait" people over, with him, what you see is what you get, he is pretty upfront about it. I have a feeling that you watch more Hasan-streams where he frames it like this, and not Destiny, while the actual fights between them are clear and visible, in public videos, everyone can decide if this is what happened.
Okay, but I pointed out specific baits. For example when he got a black man emotion because he love to say slurs then starts to point out their too emotional to handle the debate objectively to get the racist audience and 'neutral' moderator. As if there's not a valid reason why a black man might get very pissed at a white guy who's claiming there's nothing wrong with of him using a historically horrific slur. Then when Hasan jumps in because he's family with Destiny's shtick and what was happening Destiny later goes on to try and sincerely claim Hasan thinks black people are too stupid to debate the topic, after Destiny himself literally said a educated black man was too uneducated to talk about the topic.
For "what you see is what you get" Destiny's been so hypocritical over the last month that it's hard to know where to start. From him claiming he's more left than most American's when he has ignorant and uniformed views on policies like Medicare for All, to him claiming people are trying to cancel him when they just want to talk about the problematic shit he does, to him claiming to be informed on electoral politics whilst not even knowing Florida's a swing state, to him saying Ilhan Omar was antisemitic due to comments made long ago in a moment of passion which she's sincerely apologised for ever since whilst when logs leak of him recently saying Jewish genocide jokes he respond to it with "Well, Jews aren't a targeted minority in this day and age" then tries to deflect with preformative wokeness "Well, the real issue here is I said something abelist"
I completely agree with you, he has repeatedly made a fool of himself with these debates. But I will not concede to him being labeled a racist gamerbro, because if we go with that, we might as well throw nuance out.
Sure, this is how people justify defending problematic people they like in the worst possible way. It's also funny to see you go back to nuance, you've kinda thrown it all out in our conversation so far for generalisations yet still use it as a shield.
Destiny has improved a lot on social issues and behaviors, his journey is publicly visible. He is not a leftist, that much is clear, and he has some remnants that are very hard to defend. Its fine to dislike him, to ignore him, even to hate him, but its not as clear-cut as some make it to be. Thought-slime's
video on him explain it better than I could:
I think it's pretty clear cut when you match his history with what he's saying now. I think it's pretty clear you want to defend Destiny's action whilst simultaneously pointing to things like Slime's video as a defence that you're not blindly defending him when it doesn't support anything you've said, I think if you sincerely thought Destiny was DESTROYED in any of the debates you'd stop watching him unless he changed his perception of topics and you won't, I also think he's not worth talking about so I'm going to stop.[/QUOTE]
