Let's assume Biden wins, is there anything America can do to solve The Republican Problem?

DGP

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1. You can't keep hoping that there voters die off, a significant portion of Millenials and GenX have been radicalized.

2. Electoral college, you cannot necessarily use demographic shifts to overwhelm them.

3. They have multiple arms of the media working for them. Fox News, most of talk radio, One America News, various newspapers, 4chan, TheDonalds own reddit alternative etc. That's at least one or two outlets that appeal to every age group.
 

Bengraven

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In fairness, we also have a Democrat problem, but we can worry about fixing that next year. Let's fix #3 first.
 

DrForester

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Pass the Voter's Rights Act.

Won't eliminate the electoral college (and I don't think the Interstate compact would hold up in court), but making voting more accessible would be crippling to the GOP.
 

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1. You can't keep hoping that there voters die off, a significant portion of Millenials and GenX have been radicalized.

2. Electoral college, you cannot necessarily use demographic shifts to overwhelm them.

3. They have multiple arms of the media working for them. Fox News, most of talk radio, One America News, various newspapers, 4chan, TheDonalds own reddit alternative etc. That's at least one or two outlets that appeal to every age group.
If Democrats win the Presidency and the Senate, they need to immediately kill the filibuster, add justices to the Supreme Court, get rid of gerrymandering, make DC and PR states, pass campaign reform, get a new voting rights act passed, among other things. Ensure that Republicans never gain power again, especially as the minority.
 

Keasar

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Apart from destroying it's entire system of governance and rebuild it from the ground up so that other parties can be created and represented other than just the Republican and Democratic party?

Nah.
 

Dyle

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Maybe in a couple decades we'll manage to pass some constitutional amendments somehow. Until then any solutions are only band-aids when surgery is needed
 

B-Dubs

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Pass the Popular Vote Compact and uncap the House of Representatives.
 

Secretofmateria

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What we need is one party that doesnt tolerate social injustices such as racism, homophobia, transhobia, police brutality, sexism, wage discrepencies, reliance on fossil fuels, keeping down opressed minorites...ect. Sadly we are stuck with two parties. One that doesnt want any progress and one that is better but cant do enough because of the shityness of the other
 

infinite

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If Democrats win the Presidency and the Senate, they need to immediately kill the filibuster, add justices to the Supreme Court, get rid of gerrymandering, make DC and PR states, pass campaign reform, get a new voting rights act passed, among other things. Ensure that Republicans never gain power again, especially as the minority.
I think it’s naive to expect republicans to never be able to gain power again. The two party system ensures that they will eventually
 
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DGP

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In fairness, we also have a Democrat problem, but we can worry about fixing that next year. Let's fix #3 first.
From the outside looking in, the Democratic Party just seems like a normal political party to me. They don't really seem that out of the ordinary for any Western Country.

The Republican Party more and more resembles a terrorist group with multiple cells as I get older.
 

platocplx

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democrats have to fully govern and also increase messaging all through the 4 years also legislate institutional norms to eliminate the bad faith things republicans do. They cannot be trusted to do the right thing.
 

sapien85

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Add DC as a state, stack the courts (appeals and supreme) and work on the district maps for the next ten years of House races.

Pass expanded healthcare, education and fix Corona and you already gain a lot of ground.

The right wing youth are highly overrepresented online based on polls and elections. They're a loud minority. And seniors and white people might be on the verge of voting more Democrat than in a long time.

Enforce social media accountability (which Republicans are advocating for even though it will hurt the right far more).
 

Keywork

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Even within number 3 the mass media at large still slants center-right. We see it every time they question a democrat "How will we pay for this?", but nary a question along the same line when we see the right give massive tax cuts that the owners of the media directly benefit from pump more and more money into the defense budget on top bleeding social programs dry. Not to mention they did play a part and helped put Trump into office because they gave him ridiculous amounts of support in 2016 and even up until this point by keeping the cameras on him because he got them ratings. I realize this is a discussion that probably requires its own thread as there are so many moving gear within the media landscape with what the corporate owners want, what the newsroom wants, and what the opinion heads (Don Lemon, Anderson Cooper, Maddow, Hayes, etc.) want to broadcast and how they focus on the admin and their enablers.
 

LifeLine

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1. Statehood for DC and PR
2. Expand the court, add term limits, and pass a law to prevent future packing.
3. Focus on winning enough governorships to establishing the NPVIC
4. Legalize all DACA recipients and their families.
5.Use new Supreme Court to fix districting and abolish gerrymandering

- NPVIC + DACA legalization will prevent another republican president.
- Expand Court will prevent a republican Supreme Court
- Abolishing Gerrymandering will prevent a republican house
- PR+DC statehood will prevent a republican senate.

There’s a lot on this list that dems can do if they weren’t cowards
 

BertramCooper

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I really do think the feasibility of "fixing" the Republican Party is going to depend on Biden's map.

Republicans losing Texas would be a true paradigm shift. It's hard to overstate the impact. It's going to force some major attempts at internal reform of the Republican Party. Whether these attempts succeed is an open question, however.

Democrats obviously need to take all the steps outlined in this thread whether or not Biden wins Texas. But the likelihood of internal reform within the GOP increases significantly if they lose Texas.
 

Bengraven

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From the outside looking in, the Democratic Party just seems like a normal political party to me. They don't really seem that out of the ordinary for any Western Country.

The Republican Party more and more resembles a terrorist group with multiple cells as I get older.
I feel like this wouldn't even be in question if Democrats could give themselves a bigger identity, a better image for listening to the demographics they talk about wanting to help. Then you wouldn't have an Ice Cube Trump news story. You wouldn't have Latinos voting for Trump. You could put a big red bouncing target on the Republican party and slowly destroy the radical right elements.

We say the Democrats are normal, but the undecided see boring and full of promises they don't keep. People like Obama and Bernie and AOC help invigorate them, but we need even more.

I'm not saying the current Republican party is the fault of Democrats, but a stronger Democratic party would make the tilt away from Trump Republicans so so strong that MAGA would die.
 
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What we need is one party that doesnt tolerate social injustices such as racism, homophobia, transhobia, police brutality, sexism, wage discrepencies, reliance on fossil fuels, keeping down opressed minorites...ect. Sadly we are stuck with two parties. One that doesnt want any progress and one that is better but cant do enough because of the shityness of the other
I'd substitute wage discrepancies for wealth inequality generally (though I'm sure you'd agree) and add that Democrats don't do enough not just because of the Republicans but also because many don't necessarily give enough of a fuck.
 

alexi52

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yes by removing the electoral college, the Republicans wouldn't be able to win another election without having a complete party overhaul, they need to actually win over the people of these democratic states

The next step would then be to add more seats in the supreme court and create a new voters right act
 

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Arrest, charge, and jail Trump Administration people for their crimes. The reason we're in this position now is, since Nixon, they know they will face no consequences nomatter what they do. Every Republican that has won the Presidency since Nixon except maybe Bush 1 cheated to get there. If there is accountability then people will start doing less crimes.
 
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Enact laws that actually ensure voting is fair and easy to do and watch them either fade into obscurity or be forced to drastically change
 

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I'd substitute wage discrepancies for wealth inequality generally (though I'm sure you'd agree) and add that Democrats don't do enough not just because of the Republicans but also because many don't necessarily give enough of a fuck.
yeah thats also true :/, id like to think its just the boomers holding us back, but truth is ive met some pretty progressive boombers at my job, and ive also talked to a lot of socially regressive zoomers and millenials
 

Slayven

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Enact laws that actually ensure voting is fair and easy to do and watch them either fade into obscurity or be forced to drastically change
That is the surer shot. And also stop neglecting the local races, there should be a dem challenger for everything including dog catcher. And I don't care if it is +50 GOP, chip away.
 

Nola

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Oct 29, 2017
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The only short term solution is to alter the Supreme Court, pass robust voting rights legislation, offer PR statehood again, and add Senate seats to currently non-represented territories and districts.

DC should have representation, Puerto Rico regardless of their choice in statehood should have representation, and other territories. It’s not just good strategy but it is the right thing to do. And being on the side of expanding democracy while Republicans are stuck arguing against it makes a clear contrast about how Republicans are not actually in favor of American ideals or democracy.
 

Ether_Snake

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Oct 29, 2017
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As people get out of poverty, their interest moves towards their own bottom line. There was a time when Democrats were favored thanks to union support. Unions are disappearing, so they have to provide very tangible results to manage to get votes from the middle class. The hill to climb is much steeper for Democrats because they have to bring results, Republicans can always just cut taxes.

Republicans don't get elected thanks to just "radicalized right-wingers".
 

Garlador

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If Democrats win the Presidency and the Senate, they need to immediately kill the filibuster, add justices to the Supreme Court, get rid of gerrymandering, make DC and PR states, pass campaign reform, get a new voting rights act passed, among other things. Ensure that Republicans never gain power again, especially as the minority.
Most of this is the answer.

Giving the American people more power and more of a voice is the surest way to ensure progress.
 

Noog

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The Republican Party needs incentive to modernize. Texas going blue could be that incentive. A more libertarian Republican Party, while still not great, would be leagues better than what we have now
 

Richiek

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The Republican Party needs incentive to modernize. Texas going blue could be that incentive. A more libertarian Republican Party, while still not great, would be leagues better than what we have now
The Lincoln Project could be a faction to force the GOP more to the center. Or perhaps they create a new center right party, leaving the GOP to rot with the Trumpist and Q-Anon crazies.

New voting rights law would go a long way on its own.
Making Election Day a federal holiday would be great.
 

ZeroMaverick

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I'm ready for the two parties to be Democrats vs Socialists. GOP must die, and so should their racist backwards thinking. Meet me at the baseline of human rights and climate crisis, then we'll talk.
 

squeakywheel

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Oct 29, 2017
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Yes. Breed them out and raise your kids to have an open mind and to think critically at all times. Most republicans outside of Utah/Catholics don't have many kids so it's an eventuality they will be a minority.
 

WishIwasAwolf

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Maybe only allow Democrats to vote?

Republicans don't get elected thanks to just "radicalized right-wingers".
Sure, just a coinkydinky?


Yes. Breed them out and raise your kids to have an open mind and to think critically at all times. Most republicans outside of Utah/Catholics don't have many kids so it's an eventuality they will be a minority.
I was told Republicans are pretty pro-life. I would assume that corresponds to higher birth numbers
 

Servbot24

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We would need an extremely radical overhaul of American government. Until then, Republicans and Democrats will always be taken for granted as the two sides that must exist (which is of course ridiculous). In order to gain political power you need to ride the wave of one of those sides.

So, change is going to come very slowly and it will have to come from within either party. We need Republicans to steer their ship back towards moderate ground. I have no idea if they will do that though. Forcing it upon them is probably a terrible idea, since they are most likely to have an extreme reaction in the opposite direction.

Maybe only allow Democrats to vote?
So you're saying you want secession and Civil War.
 

Anton Sugar

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm ready for the two parties to be Democrats vs Socialists. GOP must die, and so should their racist backwards thinking. Meet me at the baseline of human rights and climate crisis, then we'll talk.
This would be the dream.

We don't have a party that actually represents working people. It's two groups of elites trying to convince the poor that they are their friend. Shit, we were debating a $15/hr minimum wage LAST election and it's still treated like some controversial bullshit. Medicare for All shouldn't be controversial. Ending homelessness shouldn't be controversial. Taxing billionaires at a decent rate shouldn't be controversial.
 

Kinggroin

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Uranus, get it?!? YOUR. ANUS.
You fix the institutions that any corrupt party would hope to leverage for their nefarious gain.

Make voting as accessible as possible. Make it a national holiday. There are already more people who aren't Republican than there are Republican -- they know this, and it's why they've fought hard to battle against voting accessibility.

Edit: If voting turnout can remain consistent, maybe over time the GOP dies and the shift to the left yields a new race:

Democrats vs Socialists
 

MonoStable

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Oct 27, 2017
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Definitely make dc and pr states, the biggest thing that will do is not only mess with senate make up but also expand the electoral college and making the math completely different, a shakeup needs to happen with our current electoral collage we should have to be doing a dance to win swing states.
 

WishIwasAwolf

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So you're saying you want secession and Civil War.
If Trump stays in power, that is likely to happen anyway, yes. Instead of speaking out against armed militia intimidating and shooting peaceful protesters, Trump is almost applauding it. What happens is he wins again? He will divide the country much more than Cap and Tony ever did. And there will not be a happy ending where they make up and defeat Thanos. You will have people shooting eachother in the streets and burning down streets, stores and destroying anything in their path, in record numbers.
I also see a warmongering person such as Trump starting wars in other countries, just to try and take the attention from what is going on inside the US.
 

deepFlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it’s naive to expect republicans to never be able to gain power again. The two party system ensures that they will eventually
There’s a lot of ways in which they cheat their way into power and if they could be undercut, at as many levels as possible, it would be much much harder for them to do anything. Even in an ideal situation you’d still need the Democrats to move further left and you’d still need to fight for people to have better lives in areas actually dominated by Republicans, so society wouldn’t be solved or anything. And yeah, it wouldn’t be impossible for them to ever gain power again. But it would be much much harder for them to do so and they couldn’t continue on as they are currently.

It was always something I’d always been more or less aware of them banking on, I definitely wasn’t ignorant of it, but hearing in more detail about just how much they need voter suppression and gerrymandering, among other things, to actually get the numbers to be elected has really been hurting my brain lately.
 

SteveMeister

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Make everything better for traditional Republican voters (along with everyone else). Improve their economic standing, make sure there are jobs and training, don’t increase taxes, guarantee healthcare as a right, make sure everyone feels safe and has opportunities. If people feel happy, safe, secure, and can put food on the table and afford to raise their kids, they’re less likely to believe in the boogeymen Republicans invent to scare people into voting for them.
Also voting fairness act, ranked choice voting, campaign finance reform, eliminating gerrymandering, Senator reapportionment, senate term limits, and Supreme Court justice term limits.