Lets be honest : Kojima & MGS haven't been great for a long time

[DmckPower]

I think the last all around great MGS game was MGS3.

While Kojima and his team maintained stellar production values and technical competency, MGS4,V and Peace Walker have falled off considerably when it comes to creative direction.

1) Awful treatement of female characters. B&B squad, Paz,Quiet mark a true fall from grace. Some of the worst in the past ten gen.Really egregious and terrible when kojima had previously been able to give his women some redeeming qualities previously.

2)recycled ideas and themes. I think any remotely fresh or interesting idea Kojima had has already been fully exhausted by the time MSG3 rolled out. Everything felt like a retread or a padding out in the latter games.

3) Forced shyamalan twists, shallow characterization, lack of new character types. This kind of the same as the 2nd point but yeah after non of the characters introduced served or added anything previously not covered in the series.

So yeah, I dont think MGS will be missed tbh at this point. It died a timely death especially after V. Its been exhausted fully as a franchise.

 

[Ocelott]

5 Was Trash... Everything else was fire.

 

[FrostyLemon]

V is my favourite MGS game.

 

[Dysun]

MGS4 was a fantastic game that delivered in spades on what was promised. MGS5 is the best stealth game ever made, admittedly the story is bad and unfinished.

 

[DontHateTheBacon]

This thread won't backfire at all.

 

[Deleted member 4869]

Hmmm no. Let's see.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is considered to be excellent. And as much as I hate Metal Gear Solid V, the consensus disagrees with me.

Even Peace Walker is known to at least be very good by the consensus.

 

[Holygriever]

If nothing else, it will be missed due to how fun the Carnival Of Stupid was.

 

[King Dodongo]

IMO MGS3 was peak Kojima.

 

[Yog-Sothoth]

Last good one was 3, I agree. 4 is ok-ish and PW and PP are trash.

Ground Zeroes was decent though.

 

[PixelatedDonut]

I've only played MGS5 and revengence, both were pretty great.

 

[RavFiveFour]

MGS5 has been a fun game so far with updates, ect. I think staying the traditional stealth route put a lot of gamers off coming from the action filled Rising and right now you could say MGS is taking a break. Kojima should feel good about himself and his work.

 

[Azoor]

The last great Kojima game was Peace Walker so no. And the female characters thing is in the entire series, not just the new ones.

 

[spineduke]

I loved peacewalker, but lets not ignore the fact that he was forced by Konami to make one MGS game after the other. Theres no prodigy out there who wouldnt struggle to keep things fresh after so long.

 

[Deleted member 1413]

Yeah, they haven't been since...MGS3?
Peace Walker is pretty Garbo, V is unfinished, never got to play 4 but I think a lot of people agree it's a bit weird/mixed at best.

There's good in each, but not really great wholes.

 

[BossAttack]

MGSV has pretty much the greatest third person shooter gameplay/controls ever. Sooooooooooooooooooo...no.

 

[Kuro]

5 is a much better game than 4. 3 is my favorite but no other MGS can touch 5 on gameplay.

 

[tatotiburon]

hated MGSIV, didn't ever bother with MGS5...some day i'll try it

MGS3 is my top mgs game

 

[JigglesBunny]

I see you don't have an avatar yet, OP. May I make a suggestion?

 

[DmckPower]

V is my favourite MGS game.

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Mechanical and technical masterpiece.

Terrible everything else.

 

[BadWolf]

Nope, the MGS series was amazing from start to finish.

The side games were fantastic too (Ac!d, Rising).

 

[Nintendo]

MGS 1, 3, and 4 were great. Everything else was garbage.

 

[DarkChronic]

I think 4 is the weakest but damn I loved 5. Story aside, it has the best gameplay out of any of them in my opinion.

 

[vestan]

MGSV is one of the best games this gen. If we're talking straight gameplay, the dude and his team have done an absolute stellar job with games like MGS3, 4 and TPP. They play like a dream and contain so much detail that you can't help but marvel at the whole thing. However, if we're talking writing, I've never really been a fan. I do understand your complaint about things feeling recycled, OP. I definitely got that impression too with 3 onwards which is really sad.

Personally, I'm gonna wait and see what we get with Death Stranding. If that's no better than his MGS stuff then I'll probably just tune out from now on.

 

[Datajoy]

Not if you care about gameplay.

MGSV is my gotg

 

[WestEgg]

It's going to be interesting to see how Death Stranding turns out. Based on what I've seen, I'm not even sure what genre it is, and looks very strange. I like Kojima and hope it turns out great, but the whole situation reminds me of when John Ramero was forced out of Id, started his own ambitious and expensive game with a brand new studio, and we ended up with Daikatana.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Rising, GZ, TPP and PT are all ace.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I actually enjoyed V for what it was, but i've said for a long time that MGS kind of fell off after 3.
I can see why people like 4, but it was the calling card that he was going off the deep end and really didn't want to do it anymore. With the later titles like PW and others further pushing that.

Despite that, I actually enjoy playing a lot of the other titles besides 4 and Portable Ops. But I don't have the love for them like I do 1 - 3 which I consider some of the best of all - time in gaming.

 

[Lord Vatek]

Yeah MGS3 was the last game I liked (I'm not sure how much credit Kojima deserves for Revengeance).

The series' weirdness wears out its welcome after a while.

 

[FrostyLemon]

Mechanical and technical masterpiece.

Terrible everything else.

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I've never really cared about the story tbh. That's why I like it so much.

 

[Aokiji]

 

[Deleted member 249]

5 and Peace Walker were utterly fantastic, I will hear no criticism of those two.
4 was a dumpster fire through.

 

[Kalor]

I personally love 4 a lot. And while the story in V is rough, it's still the best third person/stealth gameplay this generation.

 

[NediarPT88]

Had a blast with V all things considered.

I thought MGS4 story/cutscenes were so fucking bad at some points that I had zero expectation for V and was glad they went in a completely different direction focusing pretty much all the attention on the gameplay.

It was pretty clear Kojima was burned out of the franchise a long time ago, while I love MGS I'm kinda glad it's over and he was able to move on to other things.

Edit: I do agree MGS3Subsistence was the peak though.

 

[Rickenslacker]

I won't defend 4 because it is overindulgent and terribly paced, but V:

Mechanical and technical masterpiece.

Terrible everything else.

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In other words, a great game.

 

[floridaguy954]

MGS V has the best 3rd person controls of all time. Also, the level design in Ground Zeroes is superb.

 

[KillLaCam]

The gameplay of V is too good for this to be valid. Gameplay is the most important part of a game by far.

 

[Dragon's Game]

Kojima only envisioned MGS ending after MGS 2

everything else is fanfictin BS, although 3 is a good game

 

[eraFROMAN]

Regardless of how you feel about the later MGS games (I love them, flaws and all,) the guy did PT, which is one of the best horror experiences of the generation. So nah, let's see Death Stranding first before we make this determination.

 

[Astronut325]

1) Agreed but it's something I don't really care much about at least when it comes to MGS.

2) You might call it recycled but I consider it staying true to MGS. I don't agree with this point.

3) I love this about Kojima games. It's one of the top reasons I play Kojima games! The more insane, the better.

This is my opinion.

 

[Kuro]

Mechanical and technical masterpiece.

Terrible everything else.

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It has excellent presentation as well. The story really wasn't that bad just unfinished and had problematic elements that were present in all the other MGS games anyways.

 

[The Emperor]

MGS4 was the best. Hugely acclaimed and a big seller so odd narrative in the OP

MGSV played amazing.

 

[lvl 99 Pixel]

If PT was an indication of Silent Hills projected quality, he was at the top of his game.

 

[SolidChamp]

IMO MGS3 was peak Kojima.

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100% this. I remember there being an interview with him where he said he had a discussion with one of his close colleagues (someone almost as high up on the dev team as him) and they both agreed that MGS3 is their crown jewel; their "masterpiece".

It is the most accomplished game in the franchise and everything about it helped to define Kojima's approach to the series going forward. It's telling that literally everything that came after it was tied to that era and that character in some shape or form. Kojima simply couldn't let the work breathe and move on. He had to keep fucking with the Cold War era lore that the game had established.

Everything that came after that was borderline farcical in nature.

 

[Deleted member 4353]

Agreed. Now game play wise MGS 4 and 5 are great, especially 5. Apart from that, the whole story just fell apart spectacularly. I still maintain there's no way the person that wrote MGS2 and 3 wrote MGS 4 and 5. The difference in quality is outstanding.

Coded convo's where epic in MGS 2 and 3 but then died in MGS 4. Also fuck what they did to Raiden.

 

[CenturionNami]

V is my favorite game. So fuck no. And P.T. But people have to push their "THE EDITOR IS BEHIND MGS" bullshit.

 

[DyByHands]

In terms of story 2 and 3 are the best. Gameplay though, its 5.

 

[Violet]

I agree that MGS hasn't been great for a long time. It's been 4 years! I mean granted MGSV was one of the best action games ever created and the second best game in the series after MGS2 but yeah I guess it has been awhile

 

[Gush]

Agreed. Now game play wise MGS 4 and 5 are great, especially 5. Apart from that, the whole story just fell apart spectacularly. I still maintain there's no way the person that wrote MGS2 and 3 wrote MGS 4 and 5. The difference in quality is outstanding.

Coded convo's where epic in MGS 2 and 3 but then died in MGS 4. Also fuck what they did to Raiden.

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I couldn't possibly agree more with every word of this. Sums up my thoughts wonderfully.

 

[Voytek]

Story wise I agree. Gameplay wise they have still been very good.

 

[Gold Arsene]

I have never hated a single MGS game including Peace Walker or V.


So no, I disagree.