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Let's discuss the censorship in the German version of Wolfenstein 2
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You really dropped the ball with this one, OP.
And to everyone still thinking that Germany "hides its history" — Jesus Christ people. If you really need a video game forum to clarify things like this to you... Pick up a book, open a news paper, watch BBC, have a look at the world you live in.
And to everyone still thinking that Germany "hides its history" — Jesus Christ people. If you really need a video game forum to clarify things like this to you... Pick up a book, open a news paper, watch BBC, have a look at the world you live in.
Sorry, but I think the OP does not communicate what you think it does. I guess the shortest compilation of the discussed issue is this 15 minutes long interview with Christian Schiffer, given you understand German.
This is not about the usual "But my 128² pixels textures!", but how "preemptive actions gone mad[1]" are able to run against a (partially antiquated) law's intention and the side effect that a good chunk of people who only notices Germany within the gaming sphere thinks we are all denying or ahistorical Eselkappenträger/asshats. There can be value in a discussion regarding it.
[1] This is the actual thing, it was more done than needed.
The update Oynox made to the OP is an excellent source of information for those who wish to partake in this discussion. It should give everyone some understanding of how the German people deal with the ghosts of their past. I assure you that every German citizen has already thought a lot about this subject - it'd be impossible not to -, and dismissing this fact is really disrespectful.
Argue in good faith, keeping in mind that people of all nationalities read this board, or you'll be given a time-out.
Argue in good faith, keeping in mind that people of all nationalities read this board, or you'll be given a time-out.
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Whew, I was about to edit my OP one last time, putting all the old content into a spoiler tag and just present my original idea for the thread, discussion video games as art and if Wolfenstein still has the same value as antifacist game if the Jews etc. were removed. Also, those articles did a much better job explaining the situation, I am so sorry. Maybe I will edit the OP anyways and put them more visible to the top. Thank you for the title change, I was also about to request one.
Do I think it's pitiful? YES! Do I think it should be moderated: NO!
Repeating misconceptions that have been refuted all over the thread is not discussion and should rightfully be moderated. I'm not in this thread to tell people over and over again how Germany thinks about Nazis.
New Spiegel Online article out: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/game...-es-muss-sich-nur-einer-trauen-a-1177427.html
Google translation: https://translate.google.com/transl...-es-muss-sich-nur-einer-trauen-a-1177427.html
Google translation: https://translate.google.com/transl...-es-muss-sich-nur-einer-trauen-a-1177427.html
I think you have to elaborate on that. Why is no swastikas fine but the other changes are not? Or is it just an "I don't care about it"-fine?
I was avoiding this thread because I saw that it quickly became a mess and proper sources regarding laws were not actively mentioned.
Thanks for the changes to the OP, I hope it leads to an informed discussion.
Personal opinions:
- No swastikas are par for the course with these types of releases.
- Hitler being called Heiler or Chancellor is a change in fine with.
- Hitler without a moustache I find comical.
In game you find out that BJs mom is a Jewish woman who immigrated to the Southern US. I felt that BJ being a member of the primarily targeted ethnic group was interesting and added depth to his character due to scenes occurring in the latter half of the game.
If they changed Jewish characters to traitors in the international release I feel that it would definitely take away from the impact that it had on me. Thankfully it was not.
If I had grown up in Germany I would very likely be able to see through all of the changes that were made as they are very transparent. I think that filling in the blanks would be easy enough and that the impact wouldn't be lost because I would understand what it was supposed to be originally. I think that the changes wouldn't bug me but the reasons behind the changes would.
After reflecting on it I am starting to think that maybe some of those laws should be reevaluated, and at the very least games should be allowed to be considered art under the law.
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Good grief some of the misinformation in this thread is unbelievable. Seems some folks simply have no idea what happens outside their homeland. Also please change the title again by adding "self-" to censored otherwise you give the impression this was done due to authorities' involvement.
Holdthefuckup.
From that article in OP it says (translated):
The hell Zenimax/Bethesda?
From that article in OP it says (translated):
Is this true? Doesn't this fuck up a lot regarding Set Roth, Da'at Yichud and the ancient technology plotpoint being that it's Jewish? It sounds incredibly disturbing that you could suddenly attribute that important item Set Roth obsesses over, and everything else from Da'at Yichud, to being German in origin.
The hell Zenimax/Bethesda?
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Yiddish is not Hebrew. Yiddish is a German-based language that's only slightly more different than a thick accent of a local dialect. Those Hebrew names are all still in.
Yes I apologies to you and all the others that reacted to my fly by night comment. I should have thought out my comment better, I 'm fully aware that what I said is nonsense and should have limited my displeasure to the the game only.
Thanks for stopping by again and writing this! I'm completely with you on the game, I don't understand either why they are doing it.