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Let's face it: George Lucas would have made a better sequel trilogy
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The prequels had plenty of new but they were hated for years for how bad they were, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
George had his chance to make a new trilogy and he F'd it up. I'd have had zero faith in his ability to deliver a satisfying new trilogy. At least the ST had one almost universally-liked film, one that was polarizing, and whatever TROS is.
The PT was three consecutive cinematic turds.
The PT was three consecutive cinematic turds.
Aside from midichlorians and Jar Jar most enthusiasts were disappointed in how Lucas handled his material compared to past efforts or the clone wars team.
The thing that people imagine might have happened will always be better than the reality.
Kind of like how some people think Star Wars 1313 would have been absolutely awesome if LucasArts hadn't cancelled it. This is despite the fact that the development was a mess by all accounts and even the gameplay they did show was a pretty bog-standard cover shooter.
Kind of like how some people think Star Wars 1313 would have been absolutely awesome if LucasArts hadn't cancelled it. This is despite the fact that the development was a mess by all accounts and even the gameplay they did show was a pretty bog-standard cover shooter.
Because he had to pass the torch, I would compare it to Ridley Scott; I like the guy but he wouldn't make half of the film that Blade Runner 2049 is.
The sequel trilogy really felt like getting excited to see your favourite band coming back for one last tour only to find it's a tribute act doing everything you know but not as good.
I will be excluding it from our future SW Marathons. Now that the trilogy is concluded I can say I spent most of it waiting for it to become good and only TROS had much going for it.
George Lucas is an ideas man but shouldn't be allowed within 12 feet of a script. I believe much of the prequel trilogies flaws stem from this. Despite that, they had a completely fresh vision of the entire setting and the style and aesthetic were a big part of it. I don't know what he would have done with the sequels but I doubt we would have gotten stuff that was so derivative. As it is, I don't just dislike the sequels, I don't respect them either
I will be excluding it from our future SW Marathons. Now that the trilogy is concluded I can say I spent most of it waiting for it to become good and only TROS had much going for it.
George Lucas is an ideas man but shouldn't be allowed within 12 feet of a script. I believe much of the prequel trilogies flaws stem from this. Despite that, they had a completely fresh vision of the entire setting and the style and aesthetic were a big part of it. I don't know what he would have done with the sequels but I doubt we would have gotten stuff that was so derivative. As it is, I don't just dislike the sequels, I don't respect them either
Whole post makes good points only to shit the bed at the end ( like the ST) by saying ROS is the best of the trilogy. It's like poetry
Eh they were hated by the casuals way after the fact. They weren't hated at the time by casuals all scored at least A- cinema score. TRoS was actually hated more at the time scoring a B+.
Outside of hardcore's, this whole thing wasn't taken so seriously back then, they were just fun action movies that kids loved but obviously not regarded as great cinema.
Nah show some facts rather going based off of feelings, the only measured response we have from the time was Cinema score which definitely doesn't suggest that.
I understand if you're not comfortable saying your age but I'm wondering how old were you when the prequels released? Because it was pretty obvious at the time what public reception was and people took Star Wars just as seriously then as they do now. Opinions on the prequels have only become more positive since.
This is what I mean by feelings, not using anything objective here. By this measure people hated Avatar, it had good legs good word of mouth and was scored well by audiences. Whatever response you see will never be the big picture which is why things are empirically measured.
I mean the prequels had some good to great things as well. Costume design, sound design, music, a lot of the ship designs even some of the planets were very imaginative. But it just stumbles with nearly everything else. But things I do like is that the state of the galaxy is pretty clear at the start of Phantom and throughout the PT you never wonder how some of the bigger things came to be.
But, the ST are the better made films. Well TFA and TLJ at the very least. I think Rise falls in the same category as the PT.
Now as a trilogy, I have to say that the end of the PT felt more satisfying than the end of the ST. Revenge is obviously the best film in the PT so that helps, and Rise is obviously the worst film of the ST so that works against that. But it once again makes it clear how important it is to stick the landing.
But, the ST are the better made films. Well TFA and TLJ at the very least. I think Rise falls in the same category as the PT.
Now as a trilogy, I have to say that the end of the PT felt more satisfying than the end of the ST. Revenge is obviously the best film in the PT so that helps, and Rise is obviously the worst film of the ST so that works against that. But it once again makes it clear how important it is to stick the landing.
It would have been new and coherent, but I don't know about better. The PT has two bad movies and then one average one, and the ST has one good movie and then two bad ones, so I'm not sold on Lucas doing better.
He's lived with SW for decades, knows everything, so yeah he probably would've done a better job in terms of overall story and design. The sequels didn't have great designs imo and some of it felt like they were trying way too hard and failing.
I do like the newer films, but the more I think about it the more I wish they'd moved away from Skywalker saga and just gone for something new. Jedi finished it all off nicely. Going back to it all these years later was always going to be tricky at best.
Lucas designs and vision, with a decent script writer could have resulted in better films for sure, but I wouldn't say it would be gauranteed.
I do like the newer films, but the more I think about it the more I wish they'd moved away from Skywalker saga and just gone for something new. Jedi finished it all off nicely. Going back to it all these years later was always going to be tricky at best.
Lucas designs and vision, with a decent script writer could have resulted in better films for sure, but I wouldn't say it would be gauranteed.
I don't see anything to suggest this would be true. The last time he made a trilogy he turned the franchise into a laughing stock and the butt of jokes for decades.
Even worse, he kept altering the original movies that were loved out of spite.
Even worse, he kept altering the original movies that were loved out of spite.
He couldn't have done worse than the fucking mess we got, and it sure as hell would have told a story with three coherent acts...
But meh I'm over it......and so I think was George when he sold it to Disney.
But meh I'm over it......and so I think was George when he sold it to Disney.
George decided it was time to let go, but he sold the company to Disney for much less than it was worth because he felt it was going to a good home, and he gave Disney a three-movie outline which they could use for the Sequel Trilogy, and Disney told George that they were going to respect him and consult with him for his vision...
... and then during his first meeting he saw that they had thrown away his outline and were making The Force Awakens. George felt betrayed (according to Disney's CEO, no less) and George told an interviewer that it felt like he had sold his children to White Slavers.
So he's kinda over it, but kinda not really.
Any regret he might have is washed away by the salty tears of fans like me 😞
As much as people hate midiclorians, I would have loved to have seen more depth to the Wills like he intended... at least, more than a retread of themes (like we got).
And out of the 9 movies, PT/OT had the more memorable and iconic scenes, with (ironically) Ryan Johnson's TLJ being the exception for the ST with its wild Throne Room fight, silent Holdo maneuver, and great Yoda cameo.
I would't mind Lucas involvement, but meh... that ship has sailed. Disney likes money, the Skywalkers will return someday, but George isn't touching the franchise again other than visits to Mando's set during filming.
And out of the 9 movies, PT/OT had the more memorable and iconic scenes, with (ironically) Ryan Johnson's TLJ being the exception for the ST with its wild Throne Room fight, silent Holdo maneuver, and great Yoda cameo.
I would't mind Lucas involvement, but meh... that ship has sailed. Disney likes money, the Skywalkers will return someday, but George isn't touching the franchise again other than visits to Mando's set during filming.