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Let's Speculate on Tifa's Design in Final Fantasy VII Remake

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Oct 26, 2017
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Sure enough it seems some Reddit users were trying to get a certain hashtag going until it got locked.

I’ll spare you all the misery, but I’m sure you can guess what it was called.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, I know people like Hitomi Tanaka exist who have slim bodies and huge breasts, but for someone like Tifa who obviously have martial arts training it doesn't make as much sense.
Well, its also a game where Yuffie has noodle arms but wields a giant shuriken and punches shockwaves into the ground. Cloud can use his ridiculous sword because SOLDIER but everyone is going to be doing superhuman stuff that cant be explained by any redesigns.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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She'll have more proportional breasts (relative to her body) but they'll still be large.

People will still complain.
right.

Can't see here being any different than she has been since her appearance in Dissidia (which has been her look for years). With just something under the skirt to block shots

But people will find something to be mad about. And most of the anger would be more about absurdities than no super redesign
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Looking at the threads about the criticisms people are already throwing at Aerith and Barret....

Hoo boy.

Hope y'all are ready for June.
In the grand scheme of things complaints about character designs will have people shouting at each other but aren’t going to be nearly on the level of a possible Honey Bee controversy. I am most curious about the Cid stuff once the Remake gets there. Cid and Shera scenes with voice acting
 
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In the grand scheme of things complaints about character designs will have people shouting at each other but aren’t going to be nearly on the level of a possible Honey Bee controversy. I am most curious about the Cid stuff once the Remake gets there. Cid and Shera scenes with voice acting
"How hard should Cloud punch his girlfriend?" is a legitimate question Pat posted in the latest Castle Superbeast podcast....
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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well thats how it looked to me
its not they completely 100% westernize it like the kingsglaive design, but there is the trace of it..at least how it looked to me

correct me if im wrong
I thought Stella's face looked far more "western" than Luna, honestly. Both versions of Luna have a very distinct "anime girl" feel to them, and they made her look far, far too youthful.
 
I thought Stella's face looked far more "western" than Luna, honestly. Both versions of Luna have a very distinct "anime girl" feel to them, and they made her look far, far too youthful.
Stella had vibe of mix japanese women with western blood..his overal facial features still mainly look like asian, atleast to me, compare to luna redesign which is vice versa

dont know if im the only one feel like that though..
 
Nov 22, 2017
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I hope Tifa's design goes fully in the opposite direction of Aerith's girly, delicate design. They should look at Wonder Woman comics for inspiration. I am hoping she is physically imposing and just comes off as a brute in combat.
 
May 26, 2018
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I hope Tifa's design goes fully in the opposite direction of Aerith's girly, delicate design. They should look at Wonder Woman comics for inspiration. I am hoping she is physically imposing and just comes off as a brute in combat.
I can tell you right away it... probably won't be this. You might get a hint of muscle tone, but there's basically zero chance Western twitter/tumblr aesthetics will inspire Tifa. Tifa will be girly, and if we're all lucky she'll be a believable martial artist, too.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I can tell you right away it... probably won't be this. You might get a hint of muscle tone, but there's basically zero chance Western twitter/tumblr aesthetics will inspire Tifa. Tifa will be girly, and if we're all lucky she'll be a believable martial artist, too.
That remind me of how, despite Skyrim being popular in Asia, its character asthetics get modded out by both Japanese and Chinese players as fast as humanly possible.
Women look like supermodels in Asian video games, because that reflects popular media with human actresses there. Realism is not what Asian gamers want.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Unless they sexualize Tifa even further, I'll probably be fine with whatever they do.
Classic look? Fine.
Slightly redesigned? Perfect.
Major redesign? Interesting.
All I'm asking for is that she isn't breasting around boobily everywhere and that she looks like someone who could kick my ass.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Whatever happens, her design will in the future be studied by anatomists as a phenomenon's known as "Schrödinger's Tits", a scenario where her breasts are at the same time both too big and too small within the same physical space.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Don't think the other sketches were posted, I think it's all the same artist; Adrian Meribault.
I think something like far left still has a lot of the energy I like about Tifa's look as bartender and the far right looks the more like what I'd expect her to look if she was ready to actually join Cloud and Barret on a mission.
I cannot fucking stand this design tbh. Like, what game is she even meant to be in? Cause it ain't FF VII.

Sure it's well rendered, but that's not a good design. Suspenders over a leather vest jacket? lol nah.

This desperate attempt to cover up Tifa's legs is hilarious. Her long bare legs are a defining feature of her OG design. I still don't understand why big tits and short skirts are inherently bad. Also, those people worrying about it not being realistic in game with a dude has fucking gatling gun for a hand. A game where a relatively lean guy is swinging a giant slab of metal as a sword.

All of that you can suspend your disbelief, but Tifa having big tits and a short skirt in battle is too much for you.
 
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I simply expect something like that from the movies, which is absolutely fine.

Either way, if you thought Barrett broke the internet, Tifa is going to be a shitstorm.

One side saying her breasts are now too small and not in-keeping with FF7 and the other side probably saying they're still too big even if they copy the movies almost 1:1.

Look forward to it, and probably just ignore it all.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I cannot fucking stand this design tbh. Like, what game is she even meant to be in? Cause it ain't FF VII.

Sure it's well rendered, but that's not a good design. Suspenders over a leather vest jacket? lol nah.

This desperate attempt to cover up Tifa's legs is hilarious. Her long bare legs are a defining feature of her OG design. I still don't understand why big tits and short skirts are inherently bad. Also, those people worrying about it not being realistic in game with a dude has fucking gatling gun for a hand. A game where a relatively lean guy is swinging a giant slab of metal as a sword.

All of that you can suspend your disbelief, but Tifa having big tits and a short skirt in battle is too much for you.
Imagine having this much of a meltdown over a redesign that wasn't aimed at "fanservice."
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I cannot fucking stand this design tbh. Like, what game is she even meant to be in? Cause it ain't FF VII.

Sure it's well rendered, but that's not a good design. Suspenders over a leather vest jacket? lol nah.

This desperate attempt to cover up Tifa's legs is hilarious. Her long bare legs are a defining feature of her OG design. I still don't understand why big tits and short skirts are inherently bad. Also, those people worrying about it not being realistic in game with a dude has fucking gatling gun for a hand. A game where a relatively lean guy is swinging a giant slab of metal as a sword.

All of that you can suspend your disbelief, but Tifa having big tits and a short skirt in battle is too much for you.
The world's a changing place, oh well.

I'm cool with going down the Advent Children path, pushing that further. FF7's Tifa is a god damn relic from a different time that I really hope they don't return to.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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The world's a changing place, oh well.

I'm cool with going down the Advent Children path, pushing that further. FF7's Tifa is a god damn relic from a different time that I really hope they don't return to.
They are not remaking Advent Children. They are remaking FF VII from 1997.

I'm still not convinced as to why Tifa's design is even bad or outdated or a "relic"? lol like what does that even mean?
Skirts and big tits are outdated? Lol since when? Millions of people still love these things, they haven't lost their appeal.

It has nothing to do with realism or being more practical. She's in a a game where a man has a gatling gun for an arm, and people are swinging around 7 feet swords like they're paper.
 
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In the same way that in males there are skinny guys like Cloud or bigger, more muscular guys like Barret, there are also girls with bigger or smaller breasts. I don't see any problem with giving her large breasts, I'm not a puritanist and I'm not horrorified by watching certain body shapes, and I think it's ok to have characters more or less sexually attractive or beautiful according to the game artists' preferences.

Whatever the artists decide to do with her it's ok to me, I'd like to give them full creative freedom and I'll never ask them to "put burkas" in their games. I like how Cloud, Aerith, Barret and the soldiers look in the newest trailer, if they update her in the same way they did with the others will be ok for me. I liked Tifa's redesign in Advent Children, that would be ok for me.
 
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You can still have her have a generous chest (some women have it, and that shouldn't be a sexual thing -although I get why it's perceived that way, considering the amount of pervy shit we get-) and a similar scheme to the original outfit, while also dialing the fanservice to zero and making her clothes more sensible (sports bra, skort, longer t-shirt...).

I'd hate it if she had an outfit heavily inspired by, say, her AC one, which I would also hate for Cloud or Barret. Keep a roughly similar silhouette and readily identifiable features and make it so that it's not a horny design.

I'm not a designer (so I'm talking out of my ass), but I don't think it should be that hard, and seeing how great of an update Remake characters had had so far, I'm not too concerned.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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This literally looks perfect.
If the new games design looks close to this it will be great.
If the design ain't broke, why fix it?
It's likely going to be this but with new embellishments and details, like Cloud, Barret, and Aerith.

I can see them giving her biker shorts at most, as they gave Barret shades, so who knows. Even then, I wouldn't want them to. Tifa was always the sexy bar tender who is also the bouncer. Sexy and tough.

Some people aren't as into the very apparent sexiness of her design. That's fine, it's mater of preference. Although, I'd say those wanting to reduce that aspect are missing the point of her design in the context of FF VII's setting and art direction. I believe she's also meant to be a sort contrast to Aerith, who is visibly more modest in her dressing.
 
Nov 15, 2017
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It's likely going to be this but with new embellishments and details, like Cloud, Barret, and Aerith.

I can see them giving her biker shorts at most, as they gave Barret shades, so who knows. Even then, I wouldn't want them to. Tifa Always has the sexy bar tender who is also the bouncer. Sexy and tough.

Some people aren't as into the very apparent sexiness of her design. That's fine, it's mater of preference. Although, I'd say those wanting to reduce that aspect are missing the point of her design in the context of FF VII's setting and art direction. I believe she's also meant to be a sort contrast to Aerith, who is visbaly more modest in her dressing.
Expanding on this point, it also demonstrates the idea of subverting the impressions that the characters' give on their first appearance. Tifa is dressed a bit sexy, and she beats the shit out of people with her bare fists, but she's also revealed to be relatively demure and insecure, and even has a bit of a damsel in distress fantasy. Aerith looks more conservative, but she's shown to be stubborn and independent and openly flirty with Cloud. It doesn't stop with the women in the game either. Cloud himself gives the impression of a badass anime hero, but he turns out to be a hell of a broken individual.

Anyway, no, they probably shouldn't have crazy jiggle physics Tifa from the cutscenes, but I don't see any reason for her outfit itself to be changed.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It's likely going to be this but with new embellishments and details, like Cloud, Barret, and Aerith.

I can see them giving her biker shorts at most, as they gave Barret shades, so who knows. Even then, I wouldn't want them to. Tifa was always the sexy bar tender who is also the bouncer. Sexy and tough.

Some people aren't as into the very apparent sexiness of her design. That's fine, it's mater of preference. Although, I'd say those wanting to reduce that aspect are missing the point of her design in the context of FF VII's setting and art direction. I believe she's also meant to be a sort contrast to Aerith, who is visibly more modest in her dressing.
Personally I have no problem with sexy designs and characters. As long as it looks aesthetically pleasing and is a solid design.
I think Tifa's original design is great and shouldn't be altered too much.
It only looked terrible in those awful CGI cutscenes.

But there is also no reason they couldn't have alternate selectable costumes in game.
 
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Expanding on this point, it also demonstrates the idea of subverting the impressions that the characters' give on their first appearance. Tifa is dressed a bit sexy, and she beats the shit out of people with her bare fists, but she's also revealed to be relatively demure and insecure, and even has a bit of a damsel in distress fantasy. Aerith looks more conservative, but she's shown to be stubborn and independent and openly flirty with Cloud. It doesn't stop with the women in the game either. Cloud himself gives the impression of a badass anime hero, but he turns out to be a hell of a broken individual.

Anyway, no, they probably shouldn't have crazy jiggle physics Tifa from the cutscenes, but I don't see any reason for her outfit itself to be changed.
Agreed. There was some playful use and subversion of archetypes in FF VII. A lot of that would end up getting lost in translation if Square Enix were to acknowledge the opinion that Tifa's design is outdated or too sexy for whatever reason. There's no real convincing argument against it.

Personally I have no problem with sexy designs and characters. As long as it looks aesthetically pleasing and is a solid design.
I think Tifa's original design is great and shouldn't be altered too much.
It only looked terrible in those awful CGI cutscenes.

But there is also no reason they couldn't have alternate selectable costumes in game.
Honestly, some of the other characters looked kind of awkward in those old prerendered CGI cutscene.

After FF XV ( and most other modern RPGs), I can see customizable outfits becoming a standard feature in most mainline Final Fantasy titles, going forward. That way mostly everyone will be happy.
 
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Just keep the AC look, no need to fully cover up someone just because we think it’s the right thing to do, let them do whatever they feel is right imo, and if having big boobs offends anyone then maybe add some customization option. I just prefer to keep things original as possible.
 
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This literally looks perfect.
If the new games design looks close to this it will be great.
If the design ain't broke, why fix it?
There were people who said she was "too small" here.

This is why the back-and-forth boobery continues to be frustrating.

I don't see it happening. Cloud wields a massive sword and he still looks pretty frail. Maybe a bit more toned in Remake.
This keeps getting used as an example, but keep in mind Cloud has Mako juice in his veins. It's literally supernatural strength.

The Last Order anime had a great example of this: when Zack drops the Buster Sword, half a dozen Shinra mooks all work together and they STILL couldn't lift it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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There were people who said she was "too small" here.

This is why the back-and-forth boobery continues to be frustrating.



This keeps getting used as an example, but keep in mind Cloud has Mako juice in his veins. It's literally supernatural strength.

The Last Order anime had a great example of this: when Zack drops the Buster Sword, half a dozen Shinra mooks all work together and they STILL couldn't lift it.
In dunno if you should use last order as an example

Cloud easilly lifted the sword to stab Sephiroth. When he was one of those mooks. He had no special strength at the time because his body rejected the Jenova cells.

Also Last order is wack and has other odd changes. Like Sephiroth CHOOSING to jump in, instead of Cloud throwing him in
 
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