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LG 2019 OLED to support HDMI 2.1 4K@120Hz, VRR, 13ms input lag 1080p or 4K, etc

GeoNeo

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LG has unveiled its 2019 4K OLED TV line-up comprising C9, E9, and W9 with 4K resolution, and Z9 with 8K resolution. The TVs come with HDMI 2.1, improved gaming performance with VRR, an upgraded video processor, webOS updates, and "AI".

LG C9, E9, and W9 have 4K resolution and support for four HDR formats (HDR10, HLG, Dolby Vision and Advanced HDR).

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1546474656

HDMI VRR, lower input lag & improved motion
LG explains that the upgraded "second-generation Alpha 9" video processor has improved algorithms for color and motion.

This includes an upgraded black frame insertion system called 'OLED Motion Pro' that now operates at 100/120Hz (compared to 50/60Hz last year) and with shorter black frame cycle (25% vs. 50% last year). LG says the system eliminates flicker and maintains brightness, which were FlatpanelsHD's two main concerns with the BFI system in the 2018 LG OLED models. Other improvements include a separate "smooth gradation" picture setting that no longer reduces resolution.
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Outside of VRR, the TVs will deliver 13 ms input lag (in 1080p and 4K HDR), LG tells FlatpanelsHD. This is probably the lowest input lag on a TV today, depending on what competitors have achieved this year. Lastly, LG said that all calibration settings are now available in the Game picture mode and that a new Game setting can be engaged for all picture modes in the TVs.
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LG 2019 4K OLED - specifications

LG C9 (55, 65, 77"), E9 (55, 65") & W9 (65, 77")
4K OLED panel
Second-generation Alpha 9 video processor
HDMI 2.1 (4K120)
HDMI VRR, eARC and ALLM
AI Picture and AI Sound
4K Cinema HDR
Dolby Atmos
WiSA certified
ThinQ AI and webOS 4.5
Google Assistant and Amazon Alexa
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Barnabas Reynolds

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Due for an upgrade but thought we wouldn't see anything like this until next year. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
 
tokkun

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That is a surprise. I wasn't expecting HDMI 2.1 to show up until the later half of the year at the earliest. It also makes LG's prior announcement of the new processor all the more baffling since it didn't mention any of the actually interesting features.

I guess now the wait begins for HDMI 2.1 source devices.

Neoxon said:
What's more interesting is that now we have 120Hz for OLED, which is good news for future phones.

As for the TV, it has my curiosity, but I'm more worried about the price tag.
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Last year's OLEDs already supported 4K/120, just not via the HDMI port. But you could do 4K/120 from an SD card or an app.
 
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tokkun said:
That is a surprise. I wasn't expecting HDMI 2.1 to show up until the later half of the year at the earliest. It also makes LG's prior announcement of the new processor all the more baffling since it didn't mention any of the actually interesting features.

I guess now the wait begins for HDMI 2.1 source devices.



Last year's OLEDs already supported 4K/120, just not via the HDMI port. But you could do 4K/120 from an SD card or an app.
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I recall that the 2018 Samsung TVs got VRR via an update, just not the other HDMI 2.1 changes.
 
Maneil99

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Is it full VRR or only certain range like current Samsung?

What calibration settings are locked on my C8 for game mode?
 
Wowfunhappy

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Wonderful to see input lag being advertised in the specs, assuming it's accurate! Means manufacturers are actually taking it seriously!
 
The Argus

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Damn. Nice upgrade from my B7A. Will wait another few gens or so, but damn. I would have buyers remorse if the TV wasn't a year in a half old.
 

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Welp... Time to re-evaluate my TV plans. I was ready to wait for 2020 because I thought it'd take till then for HDMI 2.1.
 
mutantmagnet

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Damn. I'm still going to pull the trigger on this for Black Friday. Will convince everyone who usually gets me Christmas gifts to pool together to help subsidize the cost.

My only issue is that I currently prefer getting 40" models but I'm not going to pass this up.
 
ThereAreFourNaan

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Bookman said:
What's VRR?
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Variable Refresh Rate. It allows the TV to display the frames as they come, even if they aren't perfectly synchronized with a 60 or 120hz interval.

If traditional devices could not put out frames at regular intervals (e.g. if there is performance slowdown / framerate drops), there were two possible outcomes. The first is "screen tearing", where they send out as much visual data as is available, which maybe a half drawn frame, and the rest of the frame is just repeated from the last one. The second is "judder", whereby if a new frame is not FULLY ready, then the system simply repeats the last frame entirely. This results in a jerky motion, even at high absolute framerates.

Variable refresh rate technology means that the screen can just output 57fps if that's what it's getting from the console with neither judder nor screen tearing. Note however that the device needs to support VRR, not just the TV. Older devices always convert to a 60hz or 120hz or whatever signal before outputting to the display, so the display has no way of "fixing" judder and screen tear unless the device itself has been programmed to support this tech (and has the necessary HDMI interface).
 
Eggiem

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''Lastly, LG said that all calibration settings are now available in the Game picture mode and that a new Game setting can be engaged for all picture modes in the TVs.''
As a B7 owner this makes me a little bit angry. Just patch those options in for the old TVs. It can't be this hard.
 
Sim

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Less than a frame of input latency and VRR. I was honestly not expecting to replace my 930e this soon.
 
Trago

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ThereAreFourNaan said:
Variable Refresh Rate. It allows the TV to display the frames as they come, even if they aren't perfectly synchronized with a 60 or 120hz interval.

If traditional devices could not put out frames at regular intervals (e.g. if there is performance slowdown / framerate drops), there were two possible outcomes. The first is "screen tearing", where they send out as much visual data as is available, which maybe a half drawn frame, and the rest of the frame is just repeated from the last one. The second is "judder", whereby if a new frame is not FULLY ready, then the system simply repeats the last frame entirely. This results in a jerky motion, even at high absolute framerates.

Variable refresh rate technology means that the screen can just output 57fps if that's what it's getting from the console with neither judder nor screen tearing.
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In other words, a massive game changer.
 
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Neoxon said:
What's more interesting is that now we have 120Hz for OLED, which is good news for future phones.
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The panels have been native 120Hz for many years just you could not feed them a 4K 120Hz HDMI input due to limitation of the old spec last years model you could playback 4K 120Hz media via USB and even hook up a PC and play at 1080p 120Hz. If I recall Samsung AMOLED in phones are native 120Hz just don't support the refresh rate due to controller. I'm sure we will see VRR 120Hz AMOLED phones soon.
 
blastprocessor

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I got the C8 65" last year coulnd't wait for this but what an upgrade. Anone looking to get an OLED will be in for a treat.
 
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LOL @ EVERYONE who said there was NO WAY 2019 OLEDs would be HDMI2.1. What a fucking slap in the face. I'm in for a 55" C9.
 
Volo

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Fantastic - I'll be looking for the C9/B9 models over the next year or two for the new console generation.
 
VorpalNonsense

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Looks like a great set, they're doing some amazing stuff.
Now let's see how they continue to improve burn in and max luminance. That's what I'm really interested in.
 
ThereAreFourNaan

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Trago said:
In other words, a massive game changer.
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I don't think much will change at first, but in 5 years time it would be really cool to have options for developers where they could just target 40fps as their normal output instead of 30 or 60. Or they target 60 but drops to 55 don't matter much anymore. Or Switch 2.0 games where they run 60fps docked but have a 45fps portable mode that retains really good IQ and effects.

Portables in general could theoretically benefit a lot here too. The screen running at lower refresh rates or higher refresh rates based on content can, as apple has done on their iPad pros, help optimize battery life while also offering smoother experiences in some contexts. 30fps games only run the screen at half refresh rate, but menus can jump back up to 60. Or there could be explicit "Battery saver mode" options for games that you flick on in the menu where a 60fps game caps to 50fps but you get 20% more battery life on that title as a result.

Eliminating judder/tearing is awesome, I have had a G-sync monitor for something like 3 years now, but there are other options that are exciting beyond just correcting these imperfections!
 
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Do we know the VRR window on these?

Hopefullly it'll actually be useful for console gaming, unlike the 2018 Samsungs.
 
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