I feel like the part we always kind of forget is that these guys do this for a living. They're selling themselves as a product so they're spending all their time at the gym or going on these trips either to network or as brand ambassadors for something or other, when a joe shmoe like me spends 8-12 hours of his day at a traditional workplace strapped to a chair or a phone.It's really hard. Lately I've been making a point to unfollow as many of those people that I can, and just stick with more positive, affirming people. I don't mean that to shame anyone who is legitimately an Adonis muscle gay who has a different beach in a different country every month to take shirtless pictures on, but it's just....not something that adds anything positive to my life.
Cute!
lol thanks (and CurryPanda )I don't post or visit here often, but I just wanted to say that I miss seeing your face as your avatar! I saw it so often that month, and suddenly poof. You also look like you should be in like Persona or something, the outfit is very nice.
No problem.
its meant to be a motorcycle/belt bagVery nice! I'm really digging that belt... purse... bag holster thingee (not sure what it's called). Where do you even get something like that?
its meant to be a motorcycle/belt bag
I call it my "Adventure Side Pack" \o/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722DPKP9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1Hmm, I might have to look into that. I hate carrying a purse and I can't always find pants/shorts with actual pockets in them.
I love this, you look great! Also I agree that I adore the bag.
I feel like the part we always kind of forget is that these guys do this for a living. They're selling themselves as a product so they're spending all their time at the gym or going on these trips either to network or as brand ambassadors for something or other, when a joe shmoe like me spends 8-12 hours of his day at a traditional workplace strapped to a chair or a phone.
It's just impossible to do what they do without devoting everything to it... and all the while they're selling it like it's just normal for them to be photogenic and buff and beautiful.
Agreed on both counts. I'm finally starting to get to the point where, if they're the product, then I'm no longer buying what they're saying, but...it's hard. It's an insidious thing that creeps into almost all aspects of the gay male experience. It's pretty difficult to ever get away from that completely.Gay (male) culture is knowing that the male gaze should be canceled but participating in it anyway.
RE: Instagays with muscles, a lot of them have either been lifting for a long time and/or are using steroids to get there. There was a good NBC News article about the negative self-esteem impacts on the gay community
Since you're trying to gain, make sure you are both eating enough protein and enough total calories to put on weight. What's your lifting routine look like?
For me it's taken 4ish years to look semi-muscular, but i was coming from being very obese and wasn't great on diet for patches in that time. Fit-era may be able to give better advice.
Aww thanks! And, just follow the workouts they shown under the ectomorph portion of the article, and you should get the results you want! Best of luck!
Thanks for mentioning the body image issues gay men face in the community. It's so important not to pay attention to the steroid users, and all the ads that say 'gay men need to look like this'. We all just have to have realistic goals, eat healthy and exercise moderately then everything will fall into place. It's so important to love yourself, and especially the skin you are in. We are all beautiful in our own unique ways!❤️
It's really hard. Lately I've been making a point to unfollow as many of those people that I can, and just stick with more positive, affirming people. I don't mean that to shame anyone who is legitimately an Adonis muscle gay who has a different beach in a different country every month to take shirtless pictures on, but it's just....not something that adds anything positive to my life.
As someone who has had body issues I concur. It took me YEARS to take a pic of myself and feel better. It is a big issue not addressed in media as much as it is with females (which is also underreported)
Got out of relationship
Want to date again, but don't want to jump in a relationship again.
Not huge on one night stands, don't want to lead a guy on.
Blagh
I'm so picky with guys. Need a solid fwb I suppose.
I didn't have much time last 2-3 Weeks to go, was a bit sick, but before that, i tried to do
Day 1: Chest, Bizeps, Stomach
Day2: Back, Trizeps
Day3: Legs
Then day rest, and then repeat. I enjoy it to be quite honest, but i talked to some friends, and they think that i'm just not eating enough. But my problem is, i eat a lot, but not enough carboyhydrates, i eat more protein (like 2gr per kg) and vegatables. Carbohydrates i enjoy in moderation, like with porridge and and rice, but thats it, and if i eat to many carbohydrates i alway put some fett on stomach and my chest, everywhere else i'm skinny.
Just lately i have been posting pictures of myself not having the perfect flat stomach (gotten better now), being skinny, but you know what, there are all kind of men out there, we don't have to be all looking like hulks. But it's just terrible what it does to all of us, we all want to be looking like those guys, who are actually doing it for work, having a coach, cook etc., how the hell are we gonna compete with that? Or like many do, just take Steroids, but Steroids destroy so much, and for what? So we can feel better? I have friends who took Steroids, they did gain more muscles, but they still were really insecure, always looking for a compliment, or rather fishing for it, it went so far, that it was just not sexy, there was this huge tall guy, looking like he could move a mountain, but still being insecure like a little child.
Body issues need to be addressed more between men, many keep everything to them, and don't say anything, but i see also many of my straight guy friends struggling with their weight, feeling good in their skin etc. I mean, i'm 35 and for the first time i feel okay in my skin, was told my whole life you are too skinny (i was always skinny-fat, but hid it well), your arms are too skinny (which they still are, but i just don't care anymore), and then you are kinda stuck. You can't go to the gym cause all these guys are looking at you like "oh, look at him, why is he here", and i hated it for a very very long time. Then i found a bit comfort in food, cause i was screw all them, but that was also a terrible path to go through.
i have lost like 12kgs last year, went from 77kg to 65kg, and i looked with 77kg (will try to find pics) not that fat, but i only gain fett in belly and chest/breast region, and because i'm skinny everywhere else, and also not that tall 179cm, i kinda looked like a russian doll XD. And now, after almost a year, gaining some muscles, more stamina, enjoying going to the gym, and feeling really well afterwards, not giving a shit about those guys giving me weird looks, or rather "have you seen my muscles, cause duh, you don't have any... lolz"-looks, it boosted also my confidence. I went from insecure about everything about myself, to enjoying being me. And that for me is the biggest benefit of doing something for your body/health etc.
At the moment i'm down to 63kg, wasn't even intended to lose weight, it's an aftereffect of some meds i'm trying out, but i feel comfortable, i'm just a rather skinny guy, so what, i will just embrace what nature gave me!
Left me in Autumn / Right me now (still have belly/chest fat, but a bit fat didn't hurt anyone :D)
Ps: i know that for some guys my issues probably seem like it's nothing, cause they had to deal with so much more, loosing like 50/100 punds etc., but at the end of the day we all deal with the same doubts/issues, till we reach that point where we finally feel comfortable in our skin, and for everyone going through something like this, please be strong and keep on your path, one day you will get rewarded, and don't pay those judging bitches at the gym any attention, they also have insecurities like you and i!
I guarantee you no serious lifters at gyms think "oh why is he here" for guys who are skinny, because they often see themselves in skinny guys since that's how most of them started.
I came from the opposite direction (very obese most of my adult life until recently, now I am kind of obese). I remember the first time I felt confident enough to wear a tank to the gym, all the guys who I thought were judging me came up to me to congratulate me on my progress
We should probably trade appetites. I'm trying to lose another 40 lbs, which requires eating dew or none carbs. I haven't eaten carbs in moderation ever in my life haha. Seriously though, you may want to use a calorie/macro counting app so you can figure out how much you actually eat. Meat and veggies have very few calories (200g of chicken breast is like 200 calories but pretty satiating) so you either need to way increase how much of those you eat and/or add in carbs)
This is about 4 years difference and down about 45 lbs (have few or no shirtless pics from my heaviest). The right was my first time going to the beach since I was 6 because I had so much body shame. Still look nothing like a model or even generally in-shape person, but much more confident than I've been. Just have to trust the process and go for it.
You actually look fine in both the before and after.
I lost about 12 kg last year, decided I was too skinny when my baby sister weighed more than me, joined gym as a NY resolution and have stuck to it for so far at least but the year is young. Aiming more for toning and definition rather than becoming some giant roid monster, also it would just look dumb as a short person.
I think as long as you're doing it (mostly) for yourself, that's fine.
I think I am ok in my skin at 33. I don't know if I will ever really feel amazing in my skin. But I look back at like 20 something me and think, I don't know why you gave as much of a shit about what randos and strangers think about you.
Onto penises then.
You can't go into the gym and look at it as a 'competition'. You're doing it for 'you', and only 'you'. You just want to be the best version of yourself and want to be admired for it. I completely understand. And, you're right insecurity comes in all shapes and forms. The fact those bulky guys are taking steroids speaks volumes. They're just very insecure people, and I feel bad for them. For exmaple, there are tons of men out there who are lean, and have muscle and look amazing. Ex. Adam LevineJust lately i have been posting pictures of myself not having the perfect flat stomach (gotten better now), being skinny, but you know what, there are all kind of men out there, we don't have to be all looking like hulks. But it's just terrible what it does to all of us, we all want to be looking like those guys, who are actually doing it for work, having a coach, cook etc., how the hell are we gonna compete with that? Or like many do, just take Steroids, but Steroids destroy so much, and for what? So we can feel better? I have friends who took Steroids, they did gain more muscles, but they still were really insecure, always looking for a compliment, or rather fishing for it, it went so far, that it was just not sexy, there was this huge tall guy, looking like he could move a mountain, but still being insecure like a little child.
Body issues need to be addressed more between men, many keep everything to them, and don't say anything, but i see also many of my straight guy friends struggling with their weight, feeling good in their skin etc. I mean, i'm 35 and for the first time i feel okay in my skin, was told my whole life you are too skinny (i was always skinny-fat, but hid it well), your arms are too skinny (which they still are, but i just don't care anymore), and then you are kinda stuck. You can't go to the gym cause all these guys are looking at you like "oh, look at him, why is he here", and i hated it for a very very long time. Then i found a bit comfort in food, cause i was screw all them, but that was also a terrible path to go through.
i have lost like 12kgs last year, went from 77kg to 65kg, and i looked with 77kg (will try to find pics) not that fat, but i only gain fett in belly and chest/breast region, and because i'm skinny everywhere else, and also not that tall 179cm, i kinda looked like a russian doll XD. And now, after almost a year, gaining some muscles, more stamina, enjoying going to the gym, and feeling really well afterwards, not giving a shit about those guys giving me weird looks, or rather "have you seen my muscles, cause duh, you don't have any... lolz"-looks, it boosted also my confidence. I went from insecure about everything about myself, to enjoying being me. And that for me is the biggest benefit of doing something for your body/health etc.
At the moment i'm down to 63kg, wasn't even intended to lose weight, it's an aftereffect of some meds i'm trying out, but i feel comfortable, i'm just a rather skinny guy, so what, i will just embrace what nature gave me!
Left me in Autumn / Right me now (still have belly/chest fat, but a bit fat didn't hurt anyone :D)
Ps: i know that for some guys my issues probably seem like it's nothing, cause they had to deal with so much more, loosing like 50/100 punds etc., but at the end of the day we all deal with the same doubts/issues, till we reach that point where we finally feel comfortable in our skin, and for everyone going through something like this, please be strong and keep on your path, one day you will get rewarded, and don't pay those judging bitches at the gym any attention, they also have insecurities like you and i!
Pps: Next topic i would like to talk, if you are guys interested, what the porno industry is doing to us / or rather how it changed the way we expect sex to be, what penissize is "normal" and so on. This is also a topic not talked much enough about it imo.
Everyone is picky, that's not a bad thing, just don't let it get to where you are picky about everything, and dismiss guys cause they have smallest faults. Finding fwb is not that easy, to be quite honest. cause it can go wrong very fast (someone developing feelings etc.).
Sorry about your relationship ending. Hugs.Got out of relationship
Want to date again, but don't want to jump in a relationship again.
Not huge on one night stands, don't want to lead a guy on.
Blagh
I'm so picky with guys. Need a solid fwb I suppose.
Congrats on your progress, you have come a long way, you should be really proud of yourself! Your arms and chest look really great btw :), and i love it how you smile on that pic, you can really see that you enjoy your time, and i'm really happy you feel more confident in yourself <3.
Yeah, i think i understand it now, cause often i'm looking at some guys doing their exercises wrong, thinking to myself, shit, thats the same as when i started and did so many exercises wrong, and they are probably thinking why i'm looking at them. But it also helped me switching a Gym, i want from a big cheap chain, to a smaller one, a little bit more price, but people are really nice, that helped me a lot. I think i will make an appointment with a Gym-Trainer and ask him to make me a food-plan or something. I know i eat a lot of protein, vegetables etc, carbs a little less, but my calorie intake is always around 2.000-2.500. That's maybe not a lot, but i'm 179cm, and 63kgs, so it's als not that bad. I have to find the right balance where i don't put on too much fat, but also gain muscles.
Hahaha it's also killing me! I'd do it over text, but I feel this is something I need to do in person.
Also I'm so emotional at the moment, I feel like screaming how I feel to the world, it's a funny coincidence where I am at the moment (Sydney) it will be Pride weekend!
Me a couple weeks ago
Almost back to my peak weight and I am filling out in the eight places. Gotta keep going hard.
I can't say I really mind, but it's not something I would refer to myself as.Am I right to be bothered by people who feel the need to identify as "cis man" on Grindr and dating sites?
You can't go into the gym and look at it as a 'competition'. You're doing it for 'you', and only 'you'. You just want to be the best version of yourself and want to be admired for it. I completely understand. And, you're right insecurity comes in all shapes and forms. The fact those bulky guys are taking steroids speaks volumes. They're just very insecure people, and I feel bad for them. For exmaple, there are tons of men out there who are lean, and have muscle and look amazing. Ex. Adam Levine
I personally think your arms, and everything look great! You looked beautiful before and you still look beautiful! * I would date you* ;) Also, congrats on your progress. And, I am also glad you are getting more comfortable in your skin! That's the way it should be.
In regards to the porno industry, I don't pay attention to it. First of all, its very unrealistic, and those aren't 'normal' penis sizes in the films lol. People need to do research and look at the national average. And, the actors who are in those end up with so many issues. For exmaple, incontinence issues, anal tears, fistula's and so on. It's just not a healthy industry and majority of the actors are heavily on alochol, and drugs most of the time. And, people who end up watching it a lot, it effects their mood, libido(in a negative way) and so on. I stopped watching porn for about 6 months and I've never felt better.
Yeah that's definitely not enough to grow at a good pace. I'm basically the same height as you (and 97kg). I'm eating about 2,000/day to lose weight. I'd guess you should be closer to 2800-3000/day.
When you're gaining weight you have to be comfortable knowing that you will gain fat alongside muscle, just as losing weight includes both losing muscle and fat. Gotta use diet and exercise to maximize the amount of muscle and minimize the amount of fat whether one is gaining or losing. I got discouraged last year because I used to be able to deadlift 325 lbs, but have lost muscle and am eating less, so I can't lift as much as I used to.
Regarding porn, the entire Gay Culture is informed by porn - the categories on apps are essentially porn categories. I like to joke that dating men as a man is like "what if the male gaze gazed into itself?". Feeds into every element from the pressure to be highly sexually desirable and lack of self esteem.
Am I right to be bothered by people who feel the need to identify as "cis man" on Grindr and dating sites?
I don't think you are wrong to be bothered by that, no. I wouldn't necessarily assume there's any inherent malice to people who choose that option though, especially if it's simply part of a drop-down menu choice like Grindr, since it is their literal identity. You're definitely not wrong in being bothered by it though; it can come off as a defensive, "better make sure everyone knows I'm cis" thing, though I generally don't personally assume that's the case.Am I right to be bothered by people who feel the need to identify as "cis man" on Grindr and dating sites?
Hmm, why do you feel so bothered by that? I'm personally still not used to the new norms, cause here in Europe nobody uses it really, i feel like its more an american thing, or maybe i just haven't noticed it.
I'm curious about that last point.Grindr has several options for gender identity, the first one being just "man", the second "cis man", third "trans man" or you can just type in whatever you want.
The thing I don't get is why some people need to state they're a "cis man" rather than just "man". It's usually the same people who only look for "masculine" guys. Most people seem to just like me because I look masculine. Those people can fuck off, no matter how attractive they are. I'm probably overreacting, but I hate toxic masculinity that much.
Grindr has several options for gender identity, the first one being just "man", the second "cis man", third "trans man" or you can just type in whatever you want.
The thing I don't get is why some people need to state they're a "cis man" rather than just "man". It's usually the same people who only look for "masculine" guys. Most people seem to just like me because I look masculine. Those people can fuck off, no matter how attractive they are. I'm probably overreacting, but I hate toxic masculinity that much.
You are most welcome handsome.haha, thank you, you are really kind <3. Yeah, i got to a better place, where i'm doing it for me, and ignoring all the people around me, and it feels really good!
@porn
I have stoped watching it like 2-3 months ago, when i became more sexually active, having fun, and enjoying myself. There is like no need for me to watch porn at all, and i don't get it why some are still watching porn, while having sex daily... maybe it's just me, cause i feel satisfied sexually, i don't know.
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I had a similar situation when I came out too. I'm not flamboyant at all, and a lot of people think I'm straight and I need 'girlfriend'. Lol🤦♂️ I never fit into the community either, and always felt like a black sheep. I thought I wasn't 'normal' cause I didn't act like the other gay men, but soon realized that's not the case at all. But, the way films and tv shows portray gay men is usually always flamboyant but they don't seem to realize is there are all kinds of gay men. And, I firmly believe they should all kinds of them should be shown in ads, tv shows and films. So people become more aware of the differences and not generalize about how all gay men are 'flamboyant'.I'm curious about that last point.
I find myself mostly attracted to 'masculine' or 'straight passing' guys. I think it's related to the fact that all the flamboyant representation in media and my own life growing up looking at the gay community from afar, it made it hard for me to come out. I'm not flamboyant, and I didn't connect with the community. I didn't even think I could be queer, because I didn't act it. My ex (and first actual boyfriend), you wouldn't be able to tell he was gay when you first met him, and I think that really made me attracted to him. I liked that our sexuality was only one aspect of ourselves, and didn't define anything else about us.
Am I right to be bothered by people who feel the need to identify as "cis man" on Grindr and dating sites?
Personally my queerness is a huge part of my identity, because it's a huge part of who I am as a person and what made me into the person I am today. My homosexuality informs a lot about my life, like the relationships and decisions I make, my outward presentation, even the media I consume. To claim that my queerness is something "other" or that is not part of my identity is a disservice to those who came before, some of whom gave their lives that I could live in a country where I am not actively pursued or killed for a facet of my being that I cannot change. There are a lot of people in the world who cannot say the same. I embrace my gayness not just for myself, but for the past, present, and future of humanity. Tbh I'd find it a huge insult to be mistaken for just another straight person, because that invalidates so much of who I am as a person. But not everybody can take this stance because of personal situations, sometimes being outed can have huge implications on a person's life, which I get, so I get it, but that's not ever a closet I want to go back into.
chill yo. How did you fall in love if he's in a relationship of sorts??Hey people, been a while since posted on the thread.
I have an issue and anyone who wants to answer this, will be appreciated.
What would you do if the guy that you've fallen in love with is currently on some kind of relationship (don't know how to name it since he himself doesn't refer to that person as his boyfriend).
We trust and care for each other but he is somewhat difficult to read...
That's not good. There is the risk that he is leading you on.Hey people, been a while since posted on the thread.
I have an issue and anyone who wants to answer this, will be appreciated.
What would you do if the guy that you've fallen in love with is currently on some kind of relationship (don't know how to name it since he himself doesn't refer to that person as his boyfriend).
We trust and care for each other but he is somewhat difficult to read...
Because I've had feelings for him before he started that "relationship". The thing is that we didn't have contact for some time (my fault there) but now we've been talking again.chill yo. How did you fall in love if he's in a relationship of sorts??
He has said to me that it feels like their relationship has always been kind of a struggle trying to "save" what they have.That's not good. There is the risk that he is leading you on.
You need him to clarify what his relationship with that person is, what he wants with you, and what he is planning to do with that person. If he is evasive, bail. Just bail.
Because I've had feelings for him before he started that "relationship". The thing is that we didn't have contact for some time (my fault there) but now we've been talking again.
He has said to me that it feels like their relationship has always been kind of a struggle trying to "save" what they have.
And yep, you are right, I should ask him to be more clear about what he really wants with me...
One if the things that I really like is the trust we have in each other. He never has tried to make a move or have a one night stand with me (cheating on the other guy a in the process) and then dump me. He cares about what I feel, we've even talked for more than 30 minutes about the matter though he doesn't express his feelings that much because he doesn't want to be a "prick" or a "bad guy" referring to what he has with the other guy and not that he doesn't have any feelings for me...Yeah, find our what he really wants from you. You still have feelings for him, right? I would be really careful, to be honest. If he just wants to play around or whatever, and you want more, just delete/block him everywhere (i did it few times), cause at the end you will just get hurt, and don't do that to you.
Sorry for the delayed reply, nothing has happened yet. I've been home since Thursday and I've kinda chickened out... or just probably waiting for the right moment to make my move, the good news is that I've spent literally everyday since with him (his back at his place though now), but I'll be back to the working grind as of Monday (stupid life getting in the way of love)
Also, It's his Birthday in 8days so I'll probably try an organise something special and come out with my feels then :)
Good advice! Getting hurt is one of the worse feelings in the world! Ugh!Yeah, find our what he really wants from you. You still have feelings for him, right? I would be really careful, to be honest. If he just wants to play around or whatever, and you want more, just delete/block him everywhere (i did it few times), cause at the end you will just get hurt, and don't do that to you.
Just know I'm currently your biggest fan <3. You call it "chickening out", but the reality is that you aren't ready to tell him and thats perfectly ok! You can't rush telling him how you truly feel and when that moment is right, you'll know and you will deliver on it. Its best for it to happen naturally verses you just in the heat of the moment screaming it.
It's good to hear you have been spending time with him! Hopefully thats going well, and definitely sounds encouraging. He needs birthday hugs and kisses... Just sayin'.
Good advice! Getting hurt is one of the worse feelings in the world! Ugh!
I wish I was robotic. >_>Yup, true to that, and sometimes we can see in which direction it's going and can prevent it, but i know, it's not always simple... stupid feelings >.>