Liam Neeson Good Morning America Interview

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It was after he returned home from 'overseas', so in NI. He also now specifies this as having taken place around 40 years ago, so late 70s/early 80s.
I find this problematic. Someone recommended checking out Irish reddit and they were confused because back then at best 1% was black and most likely they would've been a soldier and thus kicked his ass.

He had to be living elsewhere when this patrolling occurred because there wouldn't be black neighborhoods in NI.
 

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Honestly this whole mess has made me look back on his whole filmography for the last 10 years like it was a M.Night twist
 

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“If she has said an Irish, or a Scot, or a Brit, or a Lithuanian, I know I would've felt the same effect. I was trying to... stand up for my dear friend in this terrible medieval fashion.”
So let me get this straight Liam. After you asked her what colour was her attacker, had she replied with white, you would have then proceeded to ask what the ethnicity of the individual was? You lived in a place and time when the overwhelming majority of the people around you were white, why the hell would you be leading with colour in the first place?
 

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Horrifying. Though, I wonder about some here who get surprised that celebrities aren’t perfect. They are just people, often shitty, who can act/sing/play sports.
 

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"A different time" has never been a good excuse. You don't have to be super woke even by 70s to understand lynching one black for the crimes of another is evil. If he had been white would he had been describe as a white man would have gone after any random white man he saw?
I think the thing thankfully though is he didn't do that horrible crime.

I'm honestly baffled he brought it up at all though.
 

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So let me get this straight Liam. After you asked her what colour was her attacker, had she replied with white, you would have then proceeded to ask what the ethnicity of the individual was? You lived in a place and time when the overwhelming majority of the people around you were white, why the hell would you leading with colour in the first place?
You know the answer to that already.
 

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Racist shit aside, he is turning this woman's assault into his own personal tragedy.
Considering the premise of his last several movies, and given this all started from him trying to explain how he understood his latest character's perspective, that is frustratingly not surprising. Like yeah, he really does get that headspace, doesn't he?

Part of what gives this away from me is his attempt to claim that if the perpetrator were Irish, it'd draw the same effect. Like, Lithuanian? I could see that being reduced to a xenophobic abstract of Eastern europeans/slavs, that shit is still part of the broader British (since NI) psyche today. Scots? Could be seen as Brits, since inversely, again, NI. They're not as downright racist as his actual behaviour towards black people, but the same basic mechanism of hunting down X minority applies.

But just 'Irish'? Unless he's claiming he would have gone on a general, murderous rampage because, once more, it's Northern fuckin' Ireland, I call bullshit. It's the Troubles, he would have thought to be at least a bit more specific than that. But nah, he'll bury it under an abstract rather than admit he had something more specifically virulent in mind on those days.
 

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So let me get this straight Liam. After you asked her what colour was her attacker, had she replied with white, you would have then proceeded to ask what the ethnicity of the individual was? You lived in a place and time when the overwhelming majority of the people around you were white, why the hell would you be leading with colour in the first place?
Ya I reread the interview for the part of who said "black" first and yaaaaaaaaa according to him he did bring it up first.

Strange thing to bring up in Northern Ireland in those days..
 

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I find this problematic. Someone recommended checking out Irish reddit and they were confused because back then at best 1% was black and most likely they would've been a soldier and thus kicked his ass.

He had to be living elsewhere when this patrolling occurred because there wouldn't be black neighborhoods in NI.
It might be broadly possible that by 'overseas' he meant from the States and such, or that there was maybe some occasional street that he saw as a 'black area', though it is admittedly confusing.
 
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This is the damage control I was expecting to be honest. When he says that he would've had the same reaction if they were Irish, Scot, etc., he's not saying he was extremely racist and changed since then. Don't get it twisted, he's denying that his rage quest to kill a random black man had anything to do with black people or how he felt/feels about them. No, he's saying the fact that he was searching for a black man was merely a coincidence because the rapist was also black and you could just ad-lib any other race or nationality into it.

I don't believe that for a minute. You don't have that kind of reaction just from a meaningless descriptor. The fact that he rather try to deny and downplay his racism than truly own up to it says it all.

This is very off-putting to me. And most people are going to empathize with his irrationally violent anger before they empathize with the collective pain of black people who still deal with this shit consistently. Think how many people thought Jussie Smollett's story was so unbelievable, it's disgusting how consistently our pain is denied or most often used to make fun
Sadly true. When you see people immediately express concern for Neeson's reputation in light of this story without a thought to how black people suffer from hate crimes and racial violence, it's all too transparent that they don't value black lives.

Jussie Smollett's assault serves as a great parallel to this Neeson story in terms of the great lack of empathy towards black people. While Neeson is immediately given the benefit of the doubt with people closing the gaps in his own story to paint him in a better light, Smollett is immediately met with suspicion and doubt. It's the same thing whenever a black person is killed by a white cop. People always immediately start reaching to find all the reasons why it could be anything but racially motivated. We never get the benefit of the doubt.
 

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This new interview only makes it more obvious he had no idea what he originally said was racist in the first place and is now trying to clean it up. For example, he's trying to say that he would have done the same thing if the color of the man who raped his friend had been White, by saying if she had said "Irish" or "Lithuanian" he would have went after those groups of people. Problem is those aren't the response he would have gotten for asking the color of the person and if she had said White, he knows he wouldn't have hunted down random White men which is why he has to throw in these other White ethnic groups as hypothetical examples. In addition, asking the color of the man in the first place says he was not expecting her to say White, he was expecting her to say Black/a non White person that he could hunt down.

Nothing he says now will clean up that previous interview for what it was, a man telling a revenge story without being aware he also told a racist story. For the people who saw his first interview and went "Well he said he learned his lesson" this interview and others he makes for his apology tour will be all they need.
 

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This is how random black people got lynched all the time.

Thank you for illustrating the logic behind finding any black person tp beat to death with a billy club.

Sucks. I really liked him too. Ah well.


We burying or burnin?
 

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I find this problematic. Someone recommended checking out Irish reddit and they were confused because back then at best 1% was black and most likely they would've been a soldier and thus kicked his ass.

He had to be living elsewhere when this patrolling occurred because there wouldn't be black neighborhoods in NI.
The Black population in Northern Ireland is less than 1% today. In the 70s that percentage would have been way, way lower. It’s crazy to me how he doesn’t realise just how batshit insane he sounds that he asked the victim what colour the attacker was. With the victim having passed away, I’m starting to think this story didn’t happen exactly as we are being told.
 

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I am so over asshole apology tours
I mean, it had to happen.

My big critique with them as is they are mostly I'm sorry tours. There is no penance as it were. It would be cool if Neeson were to donate considerable cash to Black causes, a start scholarship fund, or something like that. But nah.

Same thing with Louis CK and the others. Did he ever do anything in the positive direction to help women in entertainment? It was an mealy mouthed written apology. He took 4 months off and then did some tone deaf comedy sets. He never apologized on the comedy stage to these women either.
 
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It's okay, he's not a racist. He would've randomly killed anyone.

his publicist should just quit
There are a good chunk of people in the troubles who would have killed anyone if they were on the "other side". My own father was an RAF engineer during that time and even he had to go through fire arms training and be on call because of the persistent threat of mass death from terrorist bombings.

The mindset was medieval in it's brutality.
 
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I mean, it had to happen.

My big critique with them as is they are mostly I'm sorry tours. There is no penance as it were. It would be cool if Neeson were to donate considerable cash to Black causes, a start scholarship fund, or something like that. But nah.

Same thing with Louis CK and the others. Did he ever do anything in the positive direction to help women in entertainment? It was an mealy mouthed written apology. He took 4 months off and then did some tone deaf comedy sets. He never apologized on the comedy stage to these women either.
Or donate to rape survivors support groups or talk about why you should talk more with the victims instead of flying off in a rage.


He needs more self reflection and to take on new movie roles.
 

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He didn't really say anything new or admit any racist feelings he had at the time. He tries really hard to side step up around that side of the situation and kept repeating what seemed like canned lines. He seemed really phony to me to be honest.
 

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So let me get this straight Liam. After you asked her what colour was her attacker, had she replied with white, you would have then proceeded to ask what the ethnicity of the individual was? You lived in a place and time when the overwhelming majority of the people around you were white, why the hell would you be leading with colour in the first place?
You're right in that he was disgustingly racist, but this was NI in the 1970s/1980s. Asking the background of a white person was very, VERY common then. Not defending him because you're right, but his reasoning is slightly more period authentic than you'd think (albeit still BS).
 

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The sad thing is that I know what happens next.

-Liam keeps saying "I'm sorry"

-People rightfully tell him to fuck off

-Liam gets mad that we all dont forgive and forget

-Right wing goes "we gotcha, bro!"

-Liam stars in God's Not Dead 4: The Goddening
 

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Get outta here with this, Liam. A poor attempt at damage control only after admitting this due to a guilty conscience. Does he expects to be absolved because not actually killing a random black man for revenge means he has been cured of his racism?

What if he actually *did* kill someone in his rage? They should investigate his vigilante past.
 

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Exactly. Possible white perpetrators get the honour of distinction but black people obviously all look the same. This over-privileged white man continues to expose himself.
THIS
White people to him are put into categories, black people are just black people.
He is really not helping himself.

The toxic masculinity and racism are on full show and it is not pretty. Anyone defending this man are an idiot or a racist
 

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I find this problematic. Someone recommended checking out Irish reddit and they were confused because back then at best 1% was black and most likely they would've been a soldier and thus kicked his ass.

He had to be living elsewhere when this patrolling occurred because there wouldn't be black neighborhoods in NI.
The black population in NI is a fraction of 1% even now, based on the demographics I just looked up. They were probably like .01% or less at the time.
 

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Am I supposed to be able to tell Scots, Brits, and English apart at a glance?
Well clearly had she replied with white, he would have then proceeded to ask, “can you place his accent?”

You're right in that he was disgustingly racist, but this was NI in the 1970s/1980s. Asking the background of a white person was very, VERY common then. Not defending him because you're right, but his reasoning is slightly more period authentic than you'd think (albeit still BS).
But he asked about the colour of the attacker first. He didn’t ask whether the attacker was Irish or English. He didn’t ask if he was Catholic or Protestant. He didn’t ask what accent they had. He went straight to colour which makes no freaking sense for the place and time.
 
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He didn't really say anything new or admit any racist feelings he had at the time. He tries really hard to side step up around that side of the situation and kept repeating what seemed like canned lines. He seemed really phony to me to be honest.
When an opinion is formed it honestly wouldn't matter how he came across.
So let me get this straight Liam. After you asked her what colour was her attacker, had she replied with white, you would have then proceeded to ask what the ethnicity of the individual was? You lived in a place and time when the overwhelming majority of the people around you were white, why the hell would you be leading with colour in the first place?
In Northern Ireland, during the troubles? You honestly don't think white people were quizzing other white people over their specific ethnicity? They'd quiz people over religious and political affiliations back then and depending on who was asking and what the answer was they'd be killed and / or tortured.
 

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Well, I'll say that his publicist definitely is putting in that work.

The interview put his words into slightly better context. He's not shying away from what he said. THAT I'll give him kudos for. He's owning that shit.

Having lived with people who work in the Department of Corrections, and knowing multiple people who've taken another human life, I was looking for specific signs that he's grown and healed from that incident 30+ years ago. That I'm not seeing. But k'now, that's on me. Not him.

I understand that Liam isn't racist in the way that he's still consciously out looking to harm black people. He isn't going to refuse to work with people of color. He isn't going to look for a different cab because the driver is brown. I just know now that dude has some deep rooted shit that will be with him forever.
 

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There are a good chunk of people in the troubles who would have killed anyone if they were on the "other side". My own father was an RAF engineer during that time and even he had to go through fire arms training and be on call because of the persistent threat of mass death from terrorist bombings.

The mindset was medieval in it's brutality.
Thing is, he's trying to claim that he'd have had a reaction to the same effect even if the attacker had simply been described as 'Irish', even vs Lithuanian or Scottish. Which is kinda bollocks because it was a time period with a specific 'other side' to things. Like, if he were prepared to hunt down other Irish, I think he would have been much more specific as to the 'right' kind - wherever the heck he fell on the conflict then - which in itself would entirely distinguish it from how he actually did act when faced with the simple abstract of 'black'.
 

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When an opinion is formed it honestly wouldn't matter how he came across.

In Northern Ireland, during the troubles? You honestly don't think white people were quizzing other white people over their specific ethnicity? They'd quiz people over religious and political affiliations back then and depending on who was asking and what the answer was they'd be killed and / or tortured.
Once again, he did not ask about ethnicity, he asked about colour. I’m confused here. Is the proper manner to ask whether a person is Irish, Scottish, or English to ask what colour they are?
 

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Taking a step back, not knowing when to shut the fuck up is such a great predictor for privilege.
 

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You know what's weird

You making this about Black racism

That's very weird.
That's the subject in question. Black racism. Is it not? Also, I'm black btw. Yes, I'm aware of the other elements as well. My statement about black racism, does not negate the other elements, such as his macho revenge fantasies.

So I kindly disagree with you.

edit: just reread my post. When I meant black racism, I didn't mean blacks being racist. But racism against blacks. that's clumsy. I agree there.
 

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He’s outright denying that his actions were even racist and people still wanna say he’s grown and changed. He’s not even acknowledging it so how can people say he’s better?